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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 10, 2014 12:53:19 GMT -5
While I agree it's also a fact that if Jarrett makes the tackle that he clearly should have then that play goes for maybe 1 yard at most. A cover zero blitz is absolutely a gamble, but it relies on the one guy who will confront the ball carrier to do his job in the case that the blitz doesn't work. It sounds like Pryor just missed getting to the QB and then Jarrett missed the tackle....BOOM! Game over. I don't have a problem with the call there by Rex, he wanted to pin them deep with a sack or rush Teddy into a mistake. It didn't work, primarily because of execution....so Rex and team have to live with it....or die with it. It was third and 6 form the 13 wasn't it? They did not need an all out blitz to pin theme deep. This is clearly a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't." How many times do we criticize Rex for playing soft, prevent style D on 3rd downs? The blitz was a calculated risk that didn't work. Had it worked and the Jets forced a turnover, forced a punt from the 13 or forced a punt from inside the 10 if Pryor got the sack then it looks like a genius call. At worst, it should have been a quickly completed pass for a couple of yards but we missed a tackle. What if the Jets sat back a little and allowed a scramble for 6 yards or a short pass completion for the 1st down? Again, it was a gamble that didn't work....but it wasn't an all or nothing gamble IMO. Two things failed on that play, primarily the missed tackle. You won't always get the sack or force the errant throw from a rushed QB....but you should absolutely be able to tackle a guy within a few yards after he catches a ball on his own line of scrimmage. The playcall isn't the problem as much as the poor execution was. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 10, 2014 14:43:57 GMT -5
It was third and 6 form the 13 wasn't it? They did not need an all out blitz to pin theme deep. This is clearly a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't." How many times do we criticize Rex for playing soft, prevent style D on 3rd downs? The blitz was a calculated risk that didn't work. Had it worked and the Jets forced a turnover, forced a punt from the 13 or forced a punt from inside the 10 if Pryor got the sack then it looks like a genius call. At worst, it should have been a quickly completed pass for a couple of yards but we missed a tackle. What if the Jets sat back a little and allowed a scramble for 6 yards or a short pass completion for the 1st down? Again, it was a gamble that didn't work....but it wasn't an all or nothing gamble IMO. Two things failed on that play, primarily the missed tackle. You won't always get the sack or force the errant throw from a rushed QB....but you should absolutely be able to tackle a guy within a few yards after he catches a ball on his own line of scrimmage. The playcall isn't the problem as much as the poor execution was. Hey guys in the NFL miss tackles, it happens. Why call a a play with that risk when you've got the other team on the ropes. It was 3d and 6 from the 13 for heaven's sake.The Vikes were 1-5 on 3d downs in the 4th quarter with their only conversion on a 3d and 1. Good NFL coaches play to the odds in that situation. They don't roll the dice. |
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 10, 2014 15:31:49 GMT -5
This is clearly a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't." How many times do we criticize Rex for playing soft, prevent style D on 3rd downs? The blitz was a calculated risk that didn't work. Had it worked and the Jets forced a turnover, forced a punt from the 13 or forced a punt from inside the 10 if Pryor got the sack then it looks like a genius call. At worst, it should have been a quickly completed pass for a couple of yards but we missed a tackle. What if the Jets sat back a little and allowed a scramble for 6 yards or a short pass completion for the 1st down? Again, it was a gamble that didn't work....but it wasn't an all or nothing gamble IMO. Two things failed on that play, primarily the missed tackle. You won't always get the sack or force the errant throw from a rushed QB....but you should absolutely be able to tackle a guy within a few yards after he catches a ball on his own line of scrimmage. The playcall isn't the problem as much as the poor execution was. Hey guys in the NFL miss tackles, it happens. Why call a a play with that risk when you've got the other team on the ropes. It was 3d and 6 from the 13 for heaven's sake.The Vikes were 1-5 on 3d downs in the 4th quarter with their only conversion on a 3d and 1. Good NFL coaches play to the odds in that situation. They don't roll the dice. When you say guys in the NFL miss tackles, it happens.....isn't that the case for every play? We could have played it straight, not blitzed and still gave up a big play by letting Teddy have time in the pocket. The Jets were 2-10 and I don't think we really had anyone on the ropes. With Harvin out we hadn't been moving the ball particularly well. I think the Jets felt they needed to take a risk and try to get a short field for the a FG. That Vikings possession had positioned the Jets so that they couldn't give up a FG or they'd lose (because the Jets had already possessed the ball once in OT). We weren't in "prevent mode"...we had to get the ball back and then a FG could win it. We'll just have to disagree on this one, Sonny. I have no problem with the call, I'm disappointed that we didn't disguise it well enough, that Pryor couldn't get to Teddy in time, and that Jarrett missed a very makable one-on-one tackle at the LOS. JMHO. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 10, 2014 15:48:11 GMT -5
Hey guys in the NFL miss tackles, it happens. Why call a a play with that risk when you've got the other team on the ropes. It was 3d and 6 from the 13 for heaven's sake.The Vikes were 1-5 on 3d downs in the 4th quarter with their only conversion on a 3d and 1. Good NFL coaches play to the odds in that situation. They don't roll the dice. The Jets were 2-10 and I don't think we really had anyone on the ropes. With Harvin out we hadn't been moving the ball particularly well. I think the Jets felt they needed to take a risk and try to get a short field for the a FG. That Vikings possession had positioned the Jets so that they couldn't give up a FG or they'd lose (because the Jets had already possessed the ball once in OT). We weren't in "prevent mode"...we had to get the ball back and then a FG could win it. We'll just have to disagree on this one, Sonny. I have no problem with the call, I'm disappointed that we didn't disguise it well enough, that Pryor couldn't get to Teddy in time, and that Jarrett missed a very makable one-on-one tackle at the LOS. JMHO. But on a zero coverage blitz you are relying on one guy to make the tackle, or you give up a long TD. That's my point. I've got no problem with a blitz. But a zero coverage blitz is an unnecessary risk in that situation. Just trying to get the last word in.  |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 10, 2014 16:08:01 GMT -5
Rex went out of his way to excuse Jarrett for not making that tackle in a post game interview, though I don't recall what he specifically said to do so.
If they can't beat the stinking MN Vikings with this kind of play it just shows how poor the talent level is on this team.
Is there a gif or a highlight reel of this play available?
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 10, 2014 16:58:13 GMT -5
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Post by ikeyman3 on Dec 10, 2014 17:14:45 GMT -5
Zero blitzes should pretty much only be used if you 1) are in your own red zone, basically force a quick throw with not much field to cover behind, 2) In a situation where you need a sack to get someone out of field goal range (lets say in overtime when the team has the ball on the 35 yard line, or 3) If you have an in prime Revis and Cromartie
Zero blitzing on your own 13 with the DB's we have is Russian Roulette, not a calculated gamble. I'm sure teams are praying Rex brings the house every time, how many huge pass plays have we given up this year on zero blitzes.
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Post by ikeyman3 on Dec 10, 2014 17:17:24 GMT -5
 That's not an easy tackle at all, just a moronic defensive call, BTW if Sheldon makes that tackle where does that go in terms of great hustle plays of all time? |
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Post by TJ&TW on Dec 12, 2014 10:57:56 GMT -5
Rex went out of his way to excuse Jarrett for not making that tackle in a post game interview, though I don't recall what he specifically said to do so. If they can't beat the stinking MN Vikings with this kind of play it just shows how poor the talent level is on this team. Is there a gif or a highlight reel of this play available? I was immediately reminded of the 99 yard Victor Cruz play, the play that effectively ended the Rex Era. Granted that wasn't a zero coverage and that team had more talent, but these things always seem to happen to Rex Ryan defenses whenever it most matters. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 12, 2014 11:04:57 GMT -5
I've watched this gif over and over and I'm still not seeing #25 anywhere
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 12, 2014 11:14:41 GMT -5
I've watched this gif over and over and I'm still not seeing #25 anywhere IT's hard to see because the camera moves off of Bridgewater so fast, but Pryor is right in Bridgewater's face when he makes the throw. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 11:22:39 GMT -5
i think it worked out great. one step closer to getting mariota.
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