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Post by gangrene on Dec 10, 2014 18:31:56 GMT -5
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 12, 2014 15:56:48 GMT -5
While I understand CB is a need, why another young CB? He's 25 years old. What if McDougal and Milliner remain healthy? While that may be a stretch, my angle on this is to go for Tramon Williams (GB) who will only be around for 2-3 more years and can mentor these two and slide out once they get over their injuries and establish themselves. Harris will not be cheap. And lord knows we have tons of other needs that went unaddressed last offseason.
I didn't hate Idzik's approach towards not landing a top-CB once it was decided that they were going with McDougal it's just Patterson's history didn't lend to much insurance for two other injury-prone players. At least Williams has been durable.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 12, 2014 16:04:10 GMT -5
Byron Maxwell
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Post by gangrene on Dec 12, 2014 17:45:25 GMT -5
While I understand CB is a need, why another young CB? He's 25 years old. What if McDougal and Milliner remain healthy? While that may be a stretch, my angle on this is to go for Tramon Williams (GB) who will only be around for 2-3 more years and can mentor these two and slide out once they get over their injuries and establish themselves. Harris will not be cheap. And lord knows we have tons of other needs that went unaddressed last offseason. I didn't hate Idzik's approach towards not landing a top-CB once it was decided that they were going with McDougal it's just Patterson's history didn't lend to much insurance for two other injury-prone players. At least Williams has been durable. McDougal is a smurf who had previously had another major knee surgery in college. Do you really think we can depend on this kids staying healthy after major surgery in his rookie season? Milliner, while he only missed one game in college he had seven surgeries while at college. What percentage of games has he missed as a pro ? Can we depend on Milliner staying healthy ? Drafting college players with a history of surgery/significant injuries in the first three rounds makes no sense to me. I honestly don't think either player will stay healthy for very long in this league. |
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Post by JonEJet on Dec 12, 2014 18:32:11 GMT -5
Assuming Milliner and McDougle come back, along with Marcus Williams we should be decent
Adding in a solid vet to contribute along with Walls/Draft pick we should be decent back there
We need to concentrate on LB's and OLine along with QB
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 12, 2014 19:29:28 GMT -5
While I understand CB is a need, why another young CB? He's 25 years old. What if McDougal and Milliner remain healthy? While that may be a stretch, my angle on this is to go for Tramon Williams (GB) who will only be around for 2-3 more years and can mentor these two and slide out once they get over their injuries and establish themselves. Harris will not be cheap. And lord knows we have tons of other needs that went unaddressed last offseason. I didn't hate Idzik's approach towards not landing a top-CB once it was decided that they were going with McDougal it's just Patterson's history didn't lend to much insurance for two other injury-prone players. At least Williams has been durable. McDougal is a smurf who had previously had another major knee surgery in college. Do you really think we can depend on this kids staying healthy after major surgery in his rookie season? Milliner, while he only missed one game in college he had seven surgeries while at college. What percentage of games has he missed as a pro ? Can we depend on Milliner staying healthy ? Drafting college players with a history of surgery/significant injuries in the first three rounds makes no sense to me. I honestly don't think either player will stay healthy for very long in this league. I don't have a crystal ball (and neither do you) but I'm merely pointing out that we'd have a glut of young CB's if they DID return to health. That's all I said. I understand the same trend data regarding injury history. That's why my point was with all the other needs, I would be hesitant to go after an expensive young CB when it may become excess to need. A 30 year old could transition out far easier and it would be more cost-effective. You haven't pointed out why this option wouldn't work. You seem to insinuate we must have an All-Madden team. We burned a 1st and 3rd on those young guys. Now you want another young stud in spite of all the other holes? Ok. That's your choice. I'm also not buying into any smurf talk to downplay McDougal's potential in this league. Are you claiming he cannot start? That's he's physically incapable to play in this league? I think it's a bit early to conclude this.
One thing to keep in mind in all of this - Rex will be gone. And I'm not aware of anyone else out there who would insist on two #1 CB's starting like he always wanted. It's not likely the new regime will covet CB's as he did.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 12, 2014 19:32:43 GMT -5
Assuming Milliner and McDougle come back, along with Marcus Williams we should be decent Adding in a solid vet to contribute along with Walls/Draft pick we should be decent back there We need to concentrate on LB's and OLine along with QB And don't stop there - how about WR's, blocking TE, another safety perhaps. Maybe a RB to replace CJ? And you're right, LB's - plural. |
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Post by montrealjet on Dec 12, 2014 20:14:32 GMT -5
I'll take two corners pleas
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Post by RobR on Dec 12, 2014 20:14:57 GMT -5
While I understand CB is a need, why another young CB? He's 25 years old. What if McDougal and Milliner remain healthy? While that may be a stretch, my angle on this is to go for Tramon Williams (GB) who will only be around for 2-3 more years and can mentor these two and slide out once they get over their injuries and establish themselves. Harris will not be cheap. And lord knows we have tons of other needs that went unaddressed last offseason. I didn't hate Idzik's approach towards not landing a top-CB once it was decided that they were going with McDougal it's just Patterson's history didn't lend to much insurance for two other injury-prone players. At least Williams has been durable. Do you really think we can depend on this kids staying healthy after major surgery in his rookie season? Milliner, while he only missed one game in college he had seven surgeries while at college. What percentage of games has he missed as a pro ? Can we depend on Milliner staying healthy ? Drafting college players with a history of surgery/significant injuries in the first three rounds makes no sense to me. I honestly don't think either player will stay healthy for very long in this league. I don't recall McDougle ever having a knee injury in college. |
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Post by JonEJet on Dec 12, 2014 20:16:53 GMT -5
Assuming Milliner and McDougle come back, along with Marcus Williams we should be decent Adding in a solid vet to contribute along with Walls/Draft pick we should be decent back there We need to concentrate on LB's and OLine along with QB And don't stop there - how about WR's, blocking TE, another safety perhaps. Maybe a RB to replace CJ? And you're right, LB's - plural. Obviously we need help everywhere...but with Harvin Decker and Kerley we are in decent shape LB's are a must, inside and out....along with OLine Our TE's are okay at this point |
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Post by freestater on Dec 12, 2014 20:39:57 GMT -5
What the fuck has McDougle done to warrant such confidence "if" he comes back? Gotta land a *at least* decent CB this offseason. Betting on history-of-injury second-tier CBs is waht helped get us into the mess we're in now.
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Post by RobR on Dec 12, 2014 21:22:46 GMT -5
What the fuck has McDougle done to warrant such confidence "if" he comes back? Gotta land a *at least* decent CB this offseason. Betting on history-of-injury second-tier CBs is waht helped get us into the mess we're in now. I don't have any confidence that McDougle will be ready next year or have any impact. I would go into the offseason assuming he's not on the roster when it comes to free agency and draft moves. If he somehow is able too turn it around that would be a plus, he just can't be counted on going forward. |
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Post by gangrene on Dec 13, 2014 1:07:54 GMT -5
McDougal is a smurf who had previously had another major knee surgery in college. Do you really think we can depend on this kids staying healthy after major surgery in his rookie season? Milliner, while he only missed one game in college he had seven surgeries while at college. What percentage of games has he missed as a pro ? Can we depend on Milliner staying healthy ? Drafting college players with a history of surgery/significant injuries in the first three rounds makes no sense to me. I honestly don't think either player will stay healthy for very long in this league. I don't have a crystal ball (and neither do you) but I'm merely pointing out that we'd have a glut of young CB's if they DID return to health. That's all I said. I understand the same trend data regarding injury history. That's why my point was with all the other needs, I would be hesitant to go after an expensive young CB when it may become excess to need. A 30 year old could transition out far easier and it would be more cost-effective. You haven't pointed out why this option wouldn't work. You seem to insinuate we must have an All-Madden team. We burned a 1st and 3rd on those young guys. Now you want another young stud in spite of all the other holes? Ok. That's your choice. I'm also not buying into any smurf talk to downplay McDougal's potential in this league. Are you claiming he cannot start? That's he's physically incapable to play in this league? I think it's a bit early to conclude this.
One thing to keep in mind in all of this - Rex will be gone. And I'm not aware of anyone else out there who would insist on two #1 CB's starting like he always wanted. It's not likely the new regime will covet CB's as he did.
I'm not looking for an all-madden team but in today's NFL slanted towards protecting offensive players, you need quality corners. We were more than fortunate to have Mevis and Cromartie for years but we are not going to compete without serviceable help back there. Most of the teams that are in a conversation for the superbowl have some quality there. Expecting Dimitri Patterson a career journeyman who spent time on seven different teams before coming to the Jets, to seriously contend was lunacy. |
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Post by gangrene on Dec 13, 2014 1:16:33 GMT -5
McDougal is a smurf who had previously had another major knee surgery in college. Do you really think we can depend on this kids staying healthy after major surgery in his rookie season? Milliner, while he only missed one game in college he had seven surgeries while at college. What percentage of games has he missed as a pro ? Can we depend on Milliner staying healthy ? Drafting college players with a history of surgery/significant injuries in the first three rounds makes no sense to me. I honestly don't think either player will stay healthy for very long in this league. I don't recall McDougle ever having a knee injury in college. My mistake, shoulder surgery in college, missed the final nine games of his college career. |
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Post by maury77 on Dec 13, 2014 8:42:08 GMT -5
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