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Post by Fishooked on Dec 13, 2014 12:27:40 GMT -5
I like the idea of Foles or Bradford as a starter while Mariota develops on the bench. How do you propose getting both Mariota and Foles? Take more drugs?
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Dec 13, 2014 12:28:27 GMT -5
Why does anyone think the Eagles would ever keep Sanchez over Foles?
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 13, 2014 12:28:30 GMT -5
No, they won't. They never do. There is zero chance nyj draft mariota and not start him week 1. ...and I'm not down for that. The "theys" are not here yet, how do you know they'll start a Mariota or Winston in week 1? "They" didnt start Rogers, Eli, Montana, Manziel, etc on day 1. With slotted $'s for draft picks there's less reason to start QBs on day one than there was in the past when QBs got huge dollars. Nevermind that if you think a QB could be your franchise player you take him no matter what, the QB trumps all Of course there's no way to know this especially when a new regime is likely to be in place. Of this years' top QB's, none were rushed to start from day one except Carr who found his way on day one (when Schaub got hurt and generally sucked real bad) in much the same fashion as Geno last year. Bortles was held back several games, the same with Bridgewater. Manziel a bit longer - will start this week I believe.
I don't think the trend is towards rushing them in for opening game. I'd bet against it.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 13, 2014 12:35:51 GMT -5
If we have no shot at Mariota then the next best scenario IMO would be to bring in a guy like Bradford and focus on the skill positions early in the draft. Cooper in Round 1 and someone like Gurley in the 2nd would be pretty damn sweet. Then go CB/OL/OLB in the 3rd or even take a developmental QB like Garrett Grayson.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 13, 2014 12:39:30 GMT -5
Cooper, Decker, Harvin, Kerley, and Amaro with Ivory and Gurley in the backfield.
Regardless of who we have at QB, no one could bitch about a lack of a supporting cast.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 13, 2014 12:45:12 GMT -5
If we have no shot at Mariota then the next best scenario IMO would be to bring in a guy like Bradford and focus on the skill positions early in the draft. Cooper in Round 1 and someone like Gurley in the 2nd would be pretty damn sweet. Then go CB/OL/OLB in the 3rd or even take a developmental QB like Garrett Grayson. Is Cooper really that good? CBS Sports compared him most with Marquis Lee before the season started so maybe that's a bit outdated. He's the unanimous top WR. I have to take a look at him. Of course this is assuming the Jets don't take one of the top FA WR's. Dez Bryant, Demaryus Thomas and Crabtree lead that list should they be available.
I keep bringing up the nasty little possibility that we don't land a top QB in the draft. What's the plan B? You mention Bradford. Not many options out there.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 13, 2014 13:10:39 GMT -5
If we have no shot at Mariota then the next best scenario IMO would be to bring in a guy like Bradford and focus on the skill positions early in the draft. Cooper in Round 1 and someone like Gurley in the 2nd would be pretty damn sweet. Then go CB/OL/OLB in the 3rd or even take a developmental QB like Garrett Grayson. Is Cooper really that good? CBS Sports compared him most with Marquis Lee before the season started so maybe that's a bit outdated. He's the unanimous top WR. I have to take a look at him. Of course this is assuming the Jets don't take one of the top FA WR's. Dez Bryant, Demaryus Thomas and Crabtree lead that list should they be available.
I keep bringing up the nasty little possibility that we don't land a top QB in the draft. What's the plan B? You mention Bradford. Not many options out there.
Cooper is the most polished bluechip receiver to come out of college in years IMO. He's comparable to a Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson. A great route runner who already knows all of the little nuances of the position. There's no way that the Jets bring in another big name, free agent WR. Harvin, Decker and Kerley are all under contract through 2018. Cooper gives you a potential #1 receiver on the cheap for the next 4-5 years. If the Jets can't land Mariota, then Cooper immediately becomes my top target and I roll with a QB like Bradford, Locker or Hoyer next year and see where it goes.
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Post by pcola on Dec 13, 2014 13:22:45 GMT -5
I like the idea of Foles or Bradford as a starter while Mariota develops on the bench. Jeff Fisher has already gone on record that he still wants Bradford as his QB. They are winning games with Hill at QB. If Bradford could just stay heLthy, they would probably clinch that division. If we can somehow get Mariota, worst case is we throw Geno out there with our newer, younger OL (g and possibly LT) and let him take the beatings. Then Mariota comes in year two with an OL with a year more experience.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 13, 2014 13:22:51 GMT -5
Is Cooper really that good? CBS Sports compared him most with Marquis Lee before the season started so maybe that's a bit outdated. He's the unanimous top WR. I have to take a look at him. Of course this is assuming the Jets don't take one of the top FA WR's. Dez Bryant, Demaryus Thomas and Crabtree lead that list should they be available.
I keep bringing up the nasty little possibility that we don't land a top QB in the draft. What's the plan B? You mention Bradford. Not many options out there.
Cooper is the most polished bluechip receiver to come out of college in years IMO. He's comparable to a Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson. A great route runner who already knows all of the little nuances of the position. There's no way that the Jets bring in another big name, free agent WR. Harvin, Decker and Kerley are all under contract through 2018. Cooper gives you a potential #1 receiver on the cheap for the next 4-5 years. If the Jets can't land Mariota, then Cooper immediately becomes my top target and I roll with a QB like Bradford, Locker or Hoyer next year and see where it goes. Thanks for the reply. I've since looked into Cooper - great at getting separation and finding open seams. Sounds like a high-level dependable WR for long term - something missing on this Jets team for too long.
I still believe FA is possible if/when they cut Harvin freeing up a lot of spending money. Would a new regime want to retain him? I kind of doubt it. Even at a restructure. I also believe FA WR could be had if we own one of the top 2 picks. A lot depends on our draft status of course. A sad list of potential QB's though. Them's the breaks.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 13, 2014 13:31:15 GMT -5
Cooper is the most polished bluechip receiver to come out of college in years IMO. He's comparable to a Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson. A great route runner who already knows all of the little nuances of the position. There's no way that the Jets bring in another big name, free agent WR. Harvin, Decker and Kerley are all under contract through 2018. Cooper gives you a potential #1 receiver on the cheap for the next 4-5 years. If the Jets can't land Mariota, then Cooper immediately becomes my top target and I roll with a QB like Bradford, Locker or Hoyer next year and see where it goes. Thanks for the reply. I've since looked into Cooper - great at getting separation and finding open seams. Sounds like a high-level dependable WR for long term - something missing on this Jets team for too long.
I still believe FA is possible if/when they cut Harvin. Would a new regime want to retain him? I kind of doubt it. Even at a restructure. A sad list of potential QB's though. Them's the breaks.
I don't see the reason in getting rid of Harvin unless he totally blows up in the locker room or something over the next few weeks. Even if we keep Harvin at his $10.5 million salary in 2015, we still have around $53 million in cap room to play with. When he's healthy, he's one of the most dynamic playmakers in the league. And for a team starved of playmakers, it just doesn't make sense IMO to cut ties. Doesn't make sense to restructure him either. Seattle has already paid him all of his guaranteed money. I'd retain Harvin at his 2015 salary, designate Mike Iupati as my #1 target in FA to shore up the OL, bring in a CB like Byron Maxwell and a true cover safety like Rahim Moore, go after a mid tier passrusher like Jabaal Sheard or Jerry Hughes, sign a young veteran QB like Bradford, Locker or Hoyer, and then use the draft to improve the skill positions on offense.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 13, 2014 14:42:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. I've since looked into Cooper - great at getting separation and finding open seams. Sounds like a high-level dependable WR for long term - something missing on this Jets team for too long.
I still believe FA is possible if/when they cut Harvin. Would a new regime want to retain him? I kind of doubt it. Even at a restructure. A sad list of potential QB's though. Them's the breaks.
I don't see the reason in getting rid of Harvin unless he totally blows up in the locker room or something over the next few weeks. Even if we keep Harvin at his $10.5 million salary in 2015, we still have around $53 million in cap room to play with. When he's healthy, he's one of the most dynamic playmakers in the league. And for a team starved of playmakers, it just doesn't make sense IMO to cut ties. Doesn't make sense to restructure him either. Seattle has already paid him all of his guaranteed money. I'd retain Harvin at his 2015 salary, designate Mike Iupati as my #1 target in FA to shore up the OL, bring in a CB like Byron Maxwell and a true cover safety like Rahim Moore, go after a mid tier passrusher like Jabaal Sheard or Jerry Hughes, sign a young veteran QB like Bradford, Locker or Hoyer, and then use the draft to improve the skill positions on offense. All great points and I can't argue that Harvin would be a weapon for the Jets who have grossly been denied such playtoys. We'll see how that works out. I think we all have our variations of what we'd like to see but your post is solid and covers all the main upgrades. I've always questioned Cleveland continuing to get new 3-4 OLB's when Sheard has been solid with good sack numbers and tackles. We can't seem to get one of those guys. I'd love to have him. Book-end him with Coples who should move to the strong side and you've got some horses who can also seal an edge vs the run. Good idea. Seems like we need an offseason thread somewhere or separate forum.
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Post by Wee Baby Shamus on Dec 13, 2014 17:57:38 GMT -5
our best chances are mariotta. all those veterans have issues except for maybe kaepernickwhom i would take a chance with as well
the jets need to spend their first round draught picks on quarterbacks forever until they finally score something
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Post by southparkcpa on Dec 13, 2014 18:08:50 GMT -5
our best chances are mariotta. all those veterans have issues except for maybe kaepernickwhom i would take a chance with as well the jets need to spend their first round draught picks on quarterbacks forever until they finally score something Do you work in the hospitality industry??? Marriotta and draught??? Mariott Hotels and Draft beer come to mind.
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Post by gangrene on Dec 14, 2014 0:15:31 GMT -5
Let's face it. We are f'd. The veteran free agents collectively suck. The top two draft picks will probably not be reachable and will be a reach if reachable, and we have nothing in the tank between Geno and Vick. Best we can do is take a flyer on a longer shot at a lower round in the draft, let Geno compete with the rook, and replace Vick with another hack. Depressing, but there it is. It sounds as bad as the knicks prospects
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Post by Paradis on Dec 14, 2014 10:14:34 GMT -5
The "theys" are not here yet, how do you know they'll start a Mariota or Winston in week 1? "They" didnt start Rogers, Eli, Montana, Manziel, etc on day 1. With slotted $'s for draft picks there's less reason to start QBs on day one than there was in the past when QBs got huge dollars. Nevermind that if you think a QB could be your franchise player you take him no matter what, the QB trumps all Of course there's no way to know this especially when a new regime is likely to be in place. Of this years' top QB's, none were rushed to start from day one except Carr who found his way on day one (when Schaub got hurt and generally sucked real bad) in much the same fashion as Geno last year. Bortles was held back several games, the same with Bridgewater. Manziel a bit longer - will start this week I believe.
I don't think the trend is towards rushing them in for opening game. I'd bet against it.
I wish i shared yours, and others optimism, but i don't. this is new york, the antithesis to patience. we're not transitioning from Vinny to Penny, we're without a NFL starting caliber QB. This is not a situation analgous to Eli/Kurt, or Brett and Aaron. That's ridiculous. This team drafts Mariota, he's your starter. End of story... and i don't want that. I'm tired of going on the same rookie-rollercoaster. So yes Sec101, i would rather do the veteran retread route. I'd rather draft a rookie in the 2nd/3/4th and have ZERO pressure to start that guy for at least a full year. maybe 2. Bortles was rushed in, and he looks like shit. No thanks.
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