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Post by vin on Dec 15, 2014 11:06:21 GMT -5
For the past 3 seasons the jets have had one of the worst QB situations in the NFL, and the position will be even worse next season. Thanks for the parting gift Rex. Careful, Sonny. You wouldn't want to be labelled a "Fake" Jets fan by Rex.  |
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Post by USAFJetFan on Dec 15, 2014 11:06:58 GMT -5
I was initially upset about dropping in the draft order, but I am feeling much better now. I agree that we don't have to draft Mariota or Winston to turn this around. Plenty of successful QBs have been drafted outside the top 10 even the first round. Russell Wilson comes to mind of recent. I am much more interested in the next coaching staff and bringing in someone with a QB friendly system that helps develop QBs, not run them into the ground.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 15, 2014 11:08:26 GMT -5
We're not talking about Mariotta really. There is nothing that is going to pry him from Tampa's cold, dead hands. The Titans currently sit in the 2 slot. I get what you are saying, if it was Jax who might make a reaosonable trade with us. But it's not. The top two teams this year REALLY need QBs and are a virtual lock to not win another game. I doubt there is ANY trade either of them will consider. So realistically, the Jets have zero shot at either QB unless one falls - which is also unlikely. So, next plan up - because the Mariotta/Winston hunt is over as far as I can see. I agree that it's probably a lost cause. This seems like 2007 all over again. We won that meaningless, bullshit game against KC at the end of the year and it ended up being the difference between selecting at #3 (Matt Ryan) and #6 (Vernon Gholston). If the Jets are out of the Mariota/Winston sweepstakes, then at the very least we better land a kid like Amari Cooper to give us the stud receiver that we've been lacking for decades. Why would Jax and the raiders pass on Cooper? |
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Post by lileprechaun on Dec 15, 2014 11:12:00 GMT -5
i was going to post a similar detailed breakdown of how every jets qb since joe namath has sucked, but i did not want to be responsible for breaking the internent You would only break the internet if you also posted your butt, Kim Kardashian style.  |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 15, 2014 11:15:15 GMT -5
I agree that it's probably a lost cause. This seems like 2007 all over again. We won that meaningless, bullshit game against KC at the end of the year and it ended up being the difference between selecting at #3 (Matt Ryan) and #6 (Vernon Gholston). If the Jets are out of the Mariota/Winston sweepstakes, then at the very least we better land a kid like Amari Cooper to give us the stud receiver that we've been lacking for decades. Why would Jax and the raiders pass on Cooper? Jacksonville and Oakland are most likely looking DL Jacksonville just drafted Marqise Lee and Allen Robinson in the 2nd round last year. And that's in addition to already having guys like Justin Blackmon, Allen Hurns, Cecil Shorts and Ace Sanders. The Jags have a shitload of young talent at receiver. Oakland is a possibility for Cooper, but I still think they take either Leonard Williams or Randy Gregory. That defensive line is fucking atrocious. Hands down the weakest area on that Raiders team. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 15, 2014 11:18:40 GMT -5
i was going to post a similar detailed breakdown of how every jets qb since joe namath has sucked, but i did not want to be responsible for breaking the internent Ain't that right. I get sick when I think about the colts. They went straight from Johnny U to Bert Jones. Then had a bit of a hiccup before landing Peyton and then Luck. So, basically with the exception of a handful of years they've had 4 NFL mvp types at QB since the late 50s. |
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Post by Paradis on Dec 15, 2014 11:21:34 GMT -5
I'm with you 100% adpz...
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 11:33:30 GMT -5
We need to pray for Connor Cook to declare. And hope that he doesn't leap frog Winston if he does declare... fuckin Rex...
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 15, 2014 11:38:18 GMT -5
I already know what is going to happen. Cook will stay in college. Mariotta, Winston and Cooperwill be gone when the jets pick. And the jets will reach for a QB in the first round. Someone like Hundley (if they want a runner) or Mannion (if they want a pocket passer).
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 15, 2014 11:49:56 GMT -5
So we DOUBLE our chances of finding a Super Bowl QB if we pick him in the first round.
Good enough for me.
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Post by adpz on Dec 15, 2014 12:04:55 GMT -5
So we DOUBLE our chances of finding a Super Bowl QB if we pick him in the first round. Good enough for me. Notice how the better run organizations are even more prevalent in the SB-winner list than any individual QB. Sign me up for one of those . . . |
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Post by adpz on Dec 15, 2014 12:07:33 GMT -5
Also, I get the 'defense can no longer win championships' argument - as it supports the 'heroic QB' model. But, at the same time, as much as the new rules hurt the defense, there is also an argument that they have made it easier to succeed with a good-not-great QB. The Eagles are being held up as an example of that - a powerhouse offense run by 3rd-round Foles and Sanchez. And last year's winner, Seahawks - Russell Wilson is hardly a QB who is going to take over a game. They win by playing smart, playing at home and playing great D.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 15, 2014 12:15:27 GMT -5
Also, I get the 'defense can no longer win championships' argument - as it supports the 'heroic QB' model. But, at the same time, as much as the new rules hurt the defense, there is also an argument that they have made it easier to succeed with a good-not-great QB. The Eagles are being held up as an example of that - a powerhouse offense run by 3rd-round Foles and Sanchez. And last year's winner, Seahawks - Russell Wilson is hardly a QB who is going to take over a game. They win by playing smart, playing at home and playing great D. The problem with this argument is that a kid like Russell Wilson was considered to have every tool and intangible in the book...literally the only knock on him was that he was 5'11. Multiple draft pundits and scouts said they would've ranked him ahead of Andrew Luck if he was 3 inches taller. Finding a QB in the mid-rounds like Wilson is VERY rare. You're a helluva lot more likely to select a Geno Smith, Kellen Clemens, Mike Glennon, Brodie Croyle, or John Beck in the 2nd/3rd round than you are a Russell Wilson. Personally, I wouldn't even draft a QB at all if we miss out on Mariota/Winston, especially if Connor Cook stays in school. I don't see the use in spending a 2nd or 3rd round pick on someone like Brett Hundley, Bryce Petty or Dak Prescott when odds are that none of them will amount to anything more than career backups at best. I'd rather just go the veteran route. I'd prefer Sam Bradford over anyone else by a long shot, but if the Rams decide to retain him, then I guess we'll have to settle on someone like Hoyer or Matt Moore. |
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 12:18:40 GMT -5
So we DOUBLE our chances of finding a Super Bowl QB if we pick him in the first round. Good enough for me. Notice how the better run organizations are even more prevalent in the SB-winner list than any individual QB. Sign me up for one of those . . . This becomes chicken-egg stuff. Maybe the better run organizations are better because they took chances on QBs while the middling orgs settled for "value" QBs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. |
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 15, 2014 12:39:15 GMT -5
Good thread! I think I'd rather two of the "second tier" QBs from a draft rather than 1 of the top guys. It might not be a bad approach to take, say, the 3rd and 5th best QBs in a draft and just hope you bat .500 Here is CBS' list of the Top 10 prospects. As an example, I might be more interested in getting both a Brett Hundley and a Brandon Bridge rather than one Jameis Winston.  |
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