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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 14:38:52 GMT -5
Now that some time has passed and things have calmed down a little around here, I think I'll express the other side of the coin. The Jets actually pulled off a win in Nashville. And yes I am happy about it despite the loss in draft position. And I would be happier still if they can pull off an upset against the Pats this weekend. It would be sweet if the Jets manage to dump the Pats from the #1 seed so they have to play the champ game in Denver.
As for draft position, anyone remember the Raider QB pick who was a complete bust-was it Jamarcus Russel? Anyway, wasn't he the #1 overall pick that year? Some folks think the Pats' success, despite their winning the division almost every year, is all due to Brady. But how about the improvement in their defense? How did they manage to rebuild their defense after winning their division year after year if draft position is so important? I think this shows that draft position is not as important as you might think. Now picking in the top 5 obviously is better than picking in the bottom 5. But teams like the Pats, Steelers, and the Packers, who post great W-L records year after year, still manage to get by with their MUCH worse-than-average draft positions. Pretty much every year.
Much more important than draft position, I think, is having a talented scouting team, and a GM who has real football smarts. Oh, and one more point: Warner Wolf (the sports guy on the Imus show) points out that Heisman-winning QB'a almost always do poorly in the NFL. He says the only exceptions are Staubach, Plunkett, and Testaverde. Can you name any other Heisman-winning QB's who did anything? So the chances that Mariota will do well are really pretty slim. And as far as I am concerned, it isn't worth my team taking losses just to have a shot at the guy.
As for me, I want the Jets to win every time they play. Draft position be damned.
OK. Let the flaming begin!
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Post by Peebag on Dec 17, 2014 14:44:08 GMT -5
Eat a big creamy dick. no, seriously.
Winning that game did absolutely nothing for this organization.
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Post by Fishooked on Dec 17, 2014 14:46:45 GMT -5
Barely won against a bad team led by Charlie Whitehurst of all people.
At least with a chance at Mariota we would had had some hope, if you don't have a QB you don't have shit.
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Post by Fishooked on Dec 17, 2014 14:47:31 GMT -5
Now that some time has passed and things have calmed down a little around here, I think I'll express the other side of the coin. The Jets actually pulled off a win in Nashville. And yes I am happy about it despite the loss in draft position. And I would be happier still if they can pull off an upset against the Pats this weekend. It would be sweet if the Jets manage to dump the Pats from the #1 seed so they have to play the champ game in Denver. As for draft position, anyone remember the Raider QB pick who was a complete bust-was it Jamarcus Russel? Anyway, wasn't he the #1 overall pick that year? Some folks think the Pats' success, despite their winning the division almost every year, is all due to Brady. But how about the improvement in their defense? How did they manage to rebuild their defense after winning their division year after year if draft position is so important? I think this shows that draft position is not as important as you might think. Now picking in the top 5 obviously is better than picking in the bottom 5. But teams like the Pats, Steelers, and the Packers, who post great W-L records year after year, still manage to get by with their MUCH worse-than-average draft positions. Pretty much every year. Much more important than draft position, I think, is having a talented scouting team, and a GM who has real football smarts. Oh, and one more point: Warner Wolf (the sports guy on the Imus show) points out that Heisman-winning QB'a almost always do poorly in the NFL. He says the only exceptions are Staubach, Plunkett, and Testaverde. Can you name any other Heisman-winning QB's who did anything? So the chances that Mariota will do well are really pretty slim. And as far as I am concerned, it isn't worth my team taking losses just to have a shot at the guy. As for me, I want the Jets to win every time they play. Draft position be damned. OK. Let the flaming begin!
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 17, 2014 15:00:38 GMT -5
Much more important than draft position, I think, is having a talented scouting team, and a GM who has real football smarts. Oh, and one more point: Warner Wolf (the sports guy on the Imus show) points out that Heisman-winning QB'a almost always do poorly in the NFL. He says the only exceptions are Staubach, Plunkett, and Testaverde. Can you name any other Heisman-winning QB's who did anything? So the chances that Mariota will do well are really pretty slim. And as far as I am concerned, it isn't worth my team taking losses just to have a shot at the guy. As for me, I want the Jets to win every time they play. Draft position be damned. OK. Let the flaming begin! Maybe we get one for Christmas? And, a slim chance is still better than no chance, which is what he have now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 15:36:11 GMT -5
Eat a big creamy dick. no, seriously. Winning that game did absolutely nothing for this organization. But it did something for fans who actually want to see their team win.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 15:38:42 GMT -5
Barely won against a bad team led by Charlie Whitehurst of all people. At least with a chance at Mariota we would had had some hope, if you don't have a QB you don't have shit. Can't argue with the first point. We should have won bigger. I agree you need a QB, but do recall the Steelers won a SB with Neil O'Donnel. After the Jets picked him up, we saw how much of a QB that guy was.
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Post by Big L on Dec 17, 2014 15:40:47 GMT -5
I don't give a fuck what this team does, TBH. Pretty good chance they'll fuck up whatever they touch anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 15:41:57 GMT -5
Now that some time has passed and things have calmed down a little around here, I think I'll express the other side of the coin. The Jets actually pulled off a win in Nashville. And yes I am happy about it despite the loss in draft position. And I would be happier still if they can pull off an upset against the Pats this weekend. It would be sweet if the Jets manage to dump the Pats from the #1 seed so they have to play the champ game in Denver. As for draft position, anyone remember the Raider QB pick who was a complete bust-was it Jamarcus Russel? Anyway, wasn't he the #1 overall pick that year? Some folks think the Pats' success, despite their winning the division almost every year, is all due to Brady. But how about the improvement in their defense? How did they manage to rebuild their defense after winning their division year after year if draft position is so important? I think this shows that draft position is not as important as you might think. Now picking in the top 5 obviously is better than picking in the bottom 5. But teams like the Pats, Steelers, and the Packers, who post great W-L records year after year, still manage to get by with their MUCH worse-than-average draft positions. Pretty much every year. Much more important than draft position, I think, is having a talented scouting team, and a GM who has real football smarts. Oh, and one more point: Warner Wolf (the sports guy on the Imus show) points out that Heisman-winning QB'a almost always do poorly in the NFL. He says the only exceptions are Staubach, Plunkett, and Testaverde. Can you name any other Heisman-winning QB's who did anything? So the chances that Mariota will do well are really pretty slim. And as far as I am concerned, it isn't worth my team taking losses just to have a shot at the guy. As for me, I want the Jets to win every time they play. Draft position be damned. OK. Let the flaming begin! OK. You're cutesie little animated figures show you think the guy is old. Fine. What that means is he's seen a LOT of Heisman QB's. Now, can you say anything intelligent about the comment he made?
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Post by Big L on Dec 17, 2014 15:42:29 GMT -5
Barely won against a bad team led by Charlie Whitehurst of all people. At least with a chance at Mariota we would had had some hope, if you don't have a QB you don't have shit. Can't argue with the first point. We should have won bigger. I agree you need a QB, but do recall the Steelers won a SB with Neil O'Donnel. After the Jets picked him up, we saw how much of a QB that guy was. Didn't the Steelers lose that superbowl? Remember the name Larry Brown?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 15:42:45 GMT -5
Much more important than draft position, I think, is having a talented scouting team, and a GM who has real football smarts. Oh, and one more point: Warner Wolf (the sports guy on the Imus show) points out that Heisman-winning QB'a almost always do poorly in the NFL. He says the only exceptions are Staubach, Plunkett, and Testaverde. Can you name any other Heisman-winning QB's who did anything? So the chances that Mariota will do well are really pretty slim. And as far as I am concerned, it isn't worth my team taking losses just to have a shot at the guy. As for me, I want the Jets to win every time they play. Draft position be damned. OK. Let the flaming begin! Maybe we get one for Christmas? And, a slim chance is still better than no chance, which is what he have now. Even Black Monday would be a good time to pick them up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 15:45:41 GMT -5
I don't give a fuck what this team does, TBH. Pretty good chance they'll fuck up whatever they touch anyway. Regrettably, I can't argue with that either, considering how poorly this team has taken advantage of any opportunity they've had.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 15:47:28 GMT -5
Can't argue with the first point. We should have won bigger. I agree you need a QB, but do recall the Steelers won a SB with Neil O'Donnel. After the Jets picked him up, we saw how much of a QB that guy was. Didn't the Steelers lose that superbowl? Remember the name Larry Brown? You may be right. But even just reaching the SB would be an improvement over everything the Jets have accomplished since SB I. I'd settle for that. At least for starters.
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Post by Big L on Dec 17, 2014 15:52:20 GMT -5
Didn't the Steelers lose that superbowl? Remember the name Larry Brown? You may be right. But even just reaching the SB would be an improvement over everything the Jets have accomplished since SB I. I'd settle for that. At least for starters. You meant since SB III?
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 17, 2014 15:52:51 GMT -5
Sorry I can't share your enthusiasm as I am getting flashbacks to the Gholston pick in 2008 when we dropped three spots on the last day simply to get an OT win against KC and our reward was to miss out on Matt Ryan who we would've had a shot at finishing 3-13 that year (ATL finished 4-12). Timely wins and timely losses separate franchises. Indy picked the right year to tank but it appears the Jets can't even get that right in both years they stink.
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