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Post by sec.101row23 on Sept 12, 2017 7:13:34 GMT -5
If he is very good attacking, then how can the coaching staff exploit his strengths and utilize that? Part of the problem is the nose tackle (McLendon). McLendon is supposed to be tying up OL so that the ILB can shoot gaps. McLendon played like absolute dogshit, thereby allowing the OL to get to the second level and take Lee out of the play. The staff can either have Lee sit back and analyze what is going on in front of him or they can just tell him to attach a pre-determined gap. They are better off doing the letter because he takes too long to diagnose plays. Here's my biggest problem with Lee, he was supposed to be this athletic LB who was going to cover RBs and TEs, something the Jets have not had in a long time. Maccagn drafts this under-sized ILB, tells us how much of a freak athlete he is and how great it will be to have a true 3 down ILB. But he absolutely sucks in coverage and is totally lost when it comes to recognizing anything in the passing game. Add Lee to likes of Milliner, Coples, Wilson etc..etc first round picks who never get past their rookie deals. |
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Post by maury77 on Sept 12, 2017 12:21:37 GMT -5
Part of the problem is the nose tackle (McLendon). McLendon is supposed to be tying up OL so that the ILB can shoot gaps. McLendon played like absolute dogshit, thereby allowing the OL to get to the second level and take Lee out of the play. The staff can either have Lee sit back and analyze what is going on in front of him or they can just tell him to attach a pre-determined gap. They are better off doing the letter because he takes too long to diagnose plays. Here's my biggest problem with Lee, he was supposed to be this athletic LB who was going to cover RBs and TEs, something the Jets have not had in a long time. Maccagn drafts this under-sized ILB, tells us how much of a freak athlete he is and how great it will be to have a true 3 down ILB. But he absolutely sucks in coverage and is totally lost when it comes to recognizing anything in the passing game. Add Lee to likes of Milliner, Coples, Wilson etc..etc first round picks who never get past their rookie deals. I agree with everything you said. I hated the pick as well. But while we are stuck with him on the roster, let's try to maximize his ability. |
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Post by RobR on Sept 12, 2017 14:45:15 GMT -5
But while we are stuck with him on the roster, let's try to maximize his ability. And how do you do that? Maybe, just maybe, he's a shitty player and wouldn't excel at anything. |
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Post by vulgardisplayoffutbo on Sept 12, 2017 20:27:37 GMT -5
If he is very good attacking, then how can the coaching staff exploit his strengths and utilize that? He's not good at anything and never was......see my above posts. He's a guy that tests well with speed but still has no instincts or feel for the game. He routinely gets spun around in coverage and gets washed out in the run game. There is timed speed and game speed and he's never had the latter. He's another product of an overhyped OSU program were the sum is greater than the parts. So basically you are saying that he is a sunk cost? |
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Post by vulgardisplayoffutbo on Sept 12, 2017 20:30:29 GMT -5
If he is very good attacking, then how can the coaching staff exploit his strengths and utilize that? Part of the problem is the nose tackle (McLendon). McLendon is supposed to be tying up OL so that the ILB can shoot gaps. McLendon played like absolute dogshit, thereby allowing the OL to get to the second level and take Lee out of the play. The staff can either have Lee sit back and analyze what is going on in front of him or they can just tell him to attach a pre-determined gap. They are better off doing the letter because he takes too long to diagnose plays. They might as well just tell him to do that. On another note, damn do I wish we kept Snacks over Wilkerson. |
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Post by RobR on Sept 12, 2017 20:49:57 GMT -5
He's not good at anything and never was......see my above posts. He's a guy that tests well with speed but still has no instincts or feel for the game. He routinely gets spun around in coverage and gets washed out in the run game. There is timed speed and game speed and he's never had the latter. He's another product of an overhyped OSU program were the sum is greater than the parts. So basically you are saying that he is a sunk cost? Did you read the entire thread? My initial posts are from BEFORE he was drafted so no anti Jets bias involved. Unfortunately he's still the same player, maybe a tad bit worse. |
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Post by Gunnails on Sept 13, 2017 19:11:14 GMT -5
Well I will hope for the best out of the Lil guy.
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Post by vulgardisplayoffutbo on Sept 13, 2017 22:23:15 GMT -5
So basically you are saying that he is a sunk cost? Did you read the entire thread? My initial posts are from BEFORE he was drafted so no anti Jets bias involved. Unfortunately he's still the same player, maybe a tad bit worse. I did read the thread. I am essentially saying that what you meant was that there was nothing to expect out of this kid. |
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Post by vulgardisplayoffutbo on Sept 13, 2017 22:25:26 GMT -5
So basically you are saying that he is a sunk cost? Did you read the entire thread? My initial posts are from BEFORE he was drafted so no anti Jets bias involved. Unfortunately he's still the same player, maybe a tad bit worse. All I was trying to do was figure out if there was any way possible the Jets can get something positive out of Lee. |
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Post by RobR on Sept 13, 2017 23:00:40 GMT -5
Did you read the entire thread? My initial posts are from BEFORE he was drafted so no anti Jets bias involved. Unfortunately he's still the same player, maybe a tad bit worse. All I was trying to do was figure out if there was any way possible the Jets can get something positive out of Lee. He made my list of the two players I didn't want drafted, so that in itself is impressive. He's horrible in coverage(always has been) gets washed out in the running game, and has no value as a pass rusher at 220lbs. He's essentially the same player he was coming out. Maybe he plays adequate as a 4-3 olb but I doubt it because of his lack of awareness and instincts. He's just another guy in our long lists of busts. |
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Post by maury77 on Sept 14, 2017 10:48:07 GMT -5
All I was trying to do was figure out if there was any way possible the Jets can get something positive out of Lee. He made my list of the two players I didn't want drafted, so that in itself is impressive. He's horrible in coverage(always has been) gets washed out in the running game, and has no value as a pass rusher at 220lbs. He's essentially the same player he was coming out. Maybe he plays adequate as a 4-3 olb but I doubt it because of his lack of awareness and instincts. He's just another guy in our long lists of busts. Was Hackenberg the second player?  |
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Post by RobR on Sept 14, 2017 11:38:49 GMT -5
He made my list of the two players I didn't want drafted, so that in itself is impressive. He's horrible in coverage(always has been) gets washed out in the running game, and has no value as a pass rusher at 220lbs. He's essentially the same player he was coming out. Maybe he plays adequate as a 4-3 olb but I doubt it because of his lack of awareness and instincts. He's just another guy in our long lists of busts. Was Hackenberg the second player? I was talking about potential first round picks so Hack was not even in the conversation. My other guy was Nkemdiche and he has been a total bust for Atlanta so far. |
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Post by maury77 on Sept 14, 2017 12:34:27 GMT -5
Rob, the irony is, I checked out who we would have been better off with and, it's slim pickings: www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-roundI can't make a very strong argument for any of the other guys that were picked after him in round 1. William Jackson maybe, but he was hurt all year last year and I have no idea what he is going to be. |
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Post by RobR on Sept 14, 2017 16:47:29 GMT -5
Rob, the irony is, I checked out who we would have been better off with and, it's slim pickings: www.nfl.com/draft/2016/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-roundI can't make a very strong argument for any of the other guys that were picked after him in round 1. William Jackson maybe, but he was hurt all year last year and I have no idea what he is going to be. I would have taken Treadwell....shows how much I know. |
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Post by maury77 on Sept 15, 2017 4:27:39 GMT -5
I wanted Noah Spence, who has been a good player (and an ex Buckeye)
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