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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 26, 2014 11:28:22 GMT -5
Your point eludes me since I'm 100% certain that the intent is to hire an upgrade at HC. As to Rex, the simple fact is that he is a great guy and excellent D coach. His cluelessness on O where he chooses to run the type of O he would salivate to play against, and his desire to be popular in the locker room are the reasons he can not be successful as a HC. What I am subtlety alluding to is that I do not think the Jets will be able to hire an upgrade. That was my reasoning in the past for not wanting to fire Rex. But, I've come to the conclusion that he simply is not HC material. His ideal position is DC/Assistant HC. Let him run the D and give the pre game speeches. He simply does not have the single-minded drive to succeed no matter what it takes to have long term success as a HC. Great HC's are almost always considered an SOB by their players at one time or another. Has Rex ever been thought of that way even once?
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Post by Hotman on Dec 26, 2014 12:05:03 GMT -5
I'm gonna kick myself right in the testicules if he gets through this unscathed again. Can't take it anymore. Won't do it!
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Post by Peebag on Dec 26, 2014 12:42:54 GMT -5
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 26, 2014 12:45:11 GMT -5
What I am subtlety alluding to is that I do not think the Jets will be able to hire an upgrade. That was my reasoning in the past for not wanting to fire Rex. But, I've come to the conclusion that he simply is not HC material. His ideal position is DC/Assistant HC. Let him run the D and give the pre game speeches. He simply does not have the single-minded drive to succeed no matter what it takes to have long term success as a HC. Great HC's are almost always considered an SOB by their players at one time or another. Has Rex ever been thought of that way even once? I don't really disagree with what you're saying. Rex should have shown improvement over the past several years in key areas that HCs need to be good at, and he really hasn't. But the Jets need to recognize that, in order to try to improve the HC, they are going to be getting rid of some serious coaching talent on the defensive side of the ball and a Coach who players run thru a wall for. Being a "player's coach" or a HC who guys actually like isn't a bad thing. You don't have to be a SOB, but you do have to hold players accountable. Pete Carroll comes to mind in that regard. I also agree that you can't be afraid to fire a guy just because you're not 100% confident you can replace him with someone better, but that absolutely needs to be considered here. The possibility that we end up with a HC not as good as Rex is a distinct possibility. And the reason is simple, while Rex hasn't been a "great" HC, he has shown that he can win and sometimes win big against elite opponents. He's always given the Jets a puncher's chance against the best QBs in the league. The question has always been, is it Rex or is it the QB/talent he has on his team? So if we're going to fire him we better be damn sure that the combination of Rex and a Top 10-15 QB would NOT be successful. Because if we finally get a great QB and we can't stop a nosebleed then I'm not sure if losing 37-31 is any better than losing 19-17. My final point is this - Rex is already being considered a top coaching candidate around the league. NFL.com did a story today and they have him as the #2 targeted guy amongst HC candidates and above all the hot, up-and-coming DC and OC guys around the league. Many people, rightly or wrongly, believe Rex has gotten a mostly raw deal in being handicapped with Sanchez, Geno, etc. and not winning significantly here. We debate the same thing on this board, but the external perspective is very telling. Many Jets fans think Rex will only get DC offers after he's fired here. Not true. His name is swirling around for possible landing spots in Atlanta and SF. I'm fine being in the minority with my opinion, but I still think it's unfortunate that the Jets inability to find a QB, quality talent and instantiate a consistent philosophy on offense (3 OCs in 5 years?) is going to cause them to fire one of the better HCs we've ever had. Again, JMHO.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 26, 2014 13:09:22 GMT -5
LOL McDaniels.... what a fuckin twat. Having him on there makes their list kinda floppy if you ask me
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Post by 2foolish on Dec 26, 2014 13:14:13 GMT -5
Oh god no!!! The last thing we need is another Terry Bradway situation. And they haven't fired that worthless chump at all. Now we're going to have two worthless chumps? Woody better give Idzik the boot and not "re-assign him"... Not saying it's likely, but it is possible that Idzik will explain his "plan" to Casserly and Wolf and they will recommend that Woody keep Idzik and fire Bradway. sorry,the only 'slpaining' Idsuk will be doing is whats the best way to 78 from Florham...
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Post by bandwagon on Dec 26, 2014 13:56:42 GMT -5
I must be in the minority who think it is absolutely insane to:
1. Hire a GM and not let him choose his own coach/staff 2. Fire the GM without giving him at least three years and his own coach and staff 3. Repeat the above mistakes, absolving RR of responsibility, wishing to retain him and simply get a new GM.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 14:09:21 GMT -5
One big abortion, all the way around.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Dec 26, 2014 14:24:31 GMT -5
I must be in the minority who think it is absolutely insane to: 1. Hire a GM and not let him choose his own coach/staff 2. Fire the GM without giving him at least three years and his own coach and staff 3. Repeat the above mistakes, absolving RR of responsibility, wishing to retain him and simply get a new GM. Name one move that idzik has made (besides drafting sheldon with his second first round pick that year) that makes you think he deserves another year here. The guy does nothing right.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 26, 2014 14:38:52 GMT -5
I must be in the minority who think it is absolutely insane to: 1. Hire a GM and not let him choose his own coach/staff 2. Fire the GM without giving him at least three years and his own coach and staff 3. Repeat the above mistakes, absolving RR of responsibility, wishing to retain him and simply get a new GM. Name one move that idzik has made (besides drafting sheldon with his second first round pick that year) that makes you think he deserves another year here. The guy does nothing right. The only other very good decisions he has made that I can think of are the Revis trade, not over-reaching for a QB in the first round, and the acquisition of Chris Ivory. He's had an almost 100% miss rate on his low cost/low risk acquisitions. You've got to hit on a few of those for the method to work. While I initially felt that Idzik was more than a numbers guy because he come from a football family and played in college, it appears that his eye for talent is definitely lacking.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Dec 26, 2014 14:40:57 GMT -5
Ivory is the only half decent move he's made and even that hasn't been great. He rushes for 800 yards a year on a "ground and pound" offense. Big deal. He's nothing special.
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Post by freestater on Dec 26, 2014 15:41:29 GMT -5
If Idzik gets to head the "braintrust" (for whatever we might be able to call a meeting in Florham Park), that decides what to do with our (hopefully) 3rd or 4th overall pick, I'll need to stock up on the booze and weed.
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Post by Hotman on Dec 26, 2014 15:49:51 GMT -5
If Idzik gets to head the "braintrust" (for whatever we might be able to call a meeting in Florham Park), that decides what to do with our (hopefully) 3rd or 4th overall pick, I'll need to stock up on the booze and weed. Cool. You get that stuff, I'll bring the Trazadone. WCO will be in too I bet.
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Post by freestater on Dec 26, 2014 15:58:48 GMT -5
If Idzik gets to head the "braintrust" (for whatever we might be able to call a meeting in Florham Park), that decides what to do with our (hopefully) 3rd or 4th overall pick, I'll need to stock up on the booze and weed. Cool. You get that stuff, I'll bring the Trazadone. WCO will be in too I bet. I'll see if I can't dig up some ether. There's nothing quite like a man in the depths of an ether binge.
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Post by greengeek on Dec 26, 2014 16:00:20 GMT -5
If Idzik gets to head the "braintrust" (for whatever we might be able to call a meeting in Florham Park), that decides what to do with our (hopefully) 3rd or 4th overall pick, I'll need to stock up on the booze and weed. 2:38 These boys are gonna be my braintrust!
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