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Post by 2foolish on Oct 10, 2016 10:13:51 GMT -5
...start him this week...right now...the sooner the better...we've got nothing to lose and everything to gain...now...Monday Night...lets see whats he's got...
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Post by 2foolish on Oct 10, 2016 10:18:15 GMT -5
sorry didn't see this thread...Mods plz merge with my excellent thread...
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Oct 10, 2016 10:20:32 GMT -5
I'm fine with giving him a shot, but if he really were all of those things listed, he wouldn't have been a 4th rounder and the coaches wouldn't still be undecided if he is able to be a capable starter.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Oct 10, 2016 10:22:56 GMT -5
I can't find the article but I read something yesterday on the CBS app on my phone that quoted Bowles saying something along the lines of needing more time for Petty and Hack to learn the offence. WTF?!?!? How come I think it is 6 other teams had rookie QBs ready to play but a year 2 QB doesn't know the offense? Something is wrong here and that falls squarely on the Gailey and Bowles. It is inexcusable IMO. Because Petty played at Baylor and prior to last year couldn't read base level defenses. In reality, it's just coach speak anyway. That's more than likely not really the reason. The real reason is they just simply don't want them to play.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Oct 10, 2016 10:26:24 GMT -5
I liked him much more than Hack coming out in the draft. I know we don't see eye to eye much, so I'm trying to keep this question civil. But why is that? Petty doesn't have as many desirable NFL traits as Hackenburg does. I don't want this to turn into me "defending " Hackenburg, because I highly doubt he's the answer, but I think lots of people over estimate Petty'a skill set and football IQ.
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Post by Lithfan on Oct 10, 2016 10:29:23 GMT -5
...start him this week...right now...the sooner the better...we've got nothing to lose and everything to gain...now...Monday Night...lets see whats he's got... Since I am heading out to Arizona this weekend, I would love to see that. It would at least give me something to get excited about for Monday Night. But since it is not likely to happen, I guess I am just going to have to drink heavily.
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Post by Chesapeakejet on Oct 10, 2016 10:47:38 GMT -5
I liked him much more than Hack coming out in the draft. I know we don't see eye to eye much, so I'm trying to keep this question civil. But why is that? Petty doesn't have as many desirable NFL traits as Hackenburg does. I don't want this to turn into me "defending " Hackenburg, because I highly doubt he's the answer, but I think lots of people over estimate Petty'a skill set and football IQ.I respectfully disagree. I watched him at Baylor (I have a "kid" that goes there) and he's very smart and very athletic. Off the field he does all the right things and stays out of trouble. His problem was he had to learn the pro style offense which he did last year. I think that was evident this preseason. I hope he gets a shot when he's healthy.
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Post by carlton on Oct 10, 2016 10:53:25 GMT -5
...start him this week...right now...the sooner the better...we've got nothing to lose and everything to gain...now...Monday Night...lets see whats he's got... Since I am heading out to Arizona this weekend, I would love to see that. It would at least give me something to get excited about for Monday Night. But since it is not likely to happen, I guess I am just going to have to drink heavily. Seriously. A QB change would at least make Sundays fun again. Or in your case, Monday nights.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Oct 10, 2016 11:01:22 GMT -5
I know we don't see eye to eye much, so I'm trying to keep this question civil. But why is that? Petty doesn't have as many desirable NFL traits as Hackenburg does. I don't want this to turn into me "defending " Hackenburg, because I highly doubt he's the answer, but I think lots of people over estimate Petty'a skill set and football IQ.I respectfully disagree. I watched him at Baylor (I have a "kid" that goes there) and he's very smart and very athletic. Off the field he does all the right things and stays out of trouble. His problem was he had to learn the pro style offense which he did last year. I think that was evident this preseason. I hope he gets a shot when he's healthy. But Hackenberg does all of that too. Maybe I should have clarified that compared to Hackenberg, people over estimate Petty's skill set and football IQ. And Hack is equally athletic and is light years ahead of Petty football "smarts" wise. Playing QB at Baylor puts a QB light years behind the curve when it comes to what is needed in the NFL. I just want to be clear, I'm all for Petty getting a shot, and I don't think Hack likely is the answer either.
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Post by Lithfan on Oct 10, 2016 11:06:07 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. I watched him at Baylor (I have a "kid" that goes there) and he's very smart and very athletic. Off the field he does all the right things and stays out of trouble. His problem was he had to learn the pro style offense which he did last year. I think that was evident this preseason. I hope he gets a shot when he's healthy. But Hackenberg does all of that too. Maybe I should have clarified that compared to Hackenberg, people over estimate Petty's skill set and football IQ. And Hack is equally athletic and is light years ahead of Petty football "smarts" wise. Playing QB at Baylor puts a QB light years behind the curve when it comes to what is needed in the NFL. The one thing that I saw out of Petty this summer, that I have not seen out of Hack is pocket presence. He extended plays (failed to make the throw when he extended the play) and stood in the pocket and delivered some really nice deep balls in the face of the rush. In that area, I believe he is way ahead of Hack. In college and based on his play over the summer, I still think Hack lacks feel for the rush and makes poor decisions under pressure. Just my 2 cents, but that is the biggest difference that I saw in them over the summer.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Oct 10, 2016 11:09:21 GMT -5
But Hackenberg does all of that too. Maybe I should have clarified that compared to Hackenberg, people over estimate Petty's skill set and football IQ. And Hack is equally athletic and is light years ahead of Petty football "smarts" wise. Playing QB at Baylor puts a QB light years behind the curve when it comes to what is needed in the NFL. The one thing that I saw out of Petty this summer, that I have not seen out of Hack is pocket presence. He extended plays (failed to make the throw when he extended the play) and stood in the pocket and delivered some really nice deep balls in the face of the rush. In that area, I believe he is way ahead of Hack. In college and based on his play over the summer, I still think Hack lacks feel for the rush and makes poor decisions under pressure. Just my 2 cents, but that is the biggest difference that I saw in them over the summer. No argument there. That's by far something Petty has the clear leg up. Hack is skittish as can be.
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Post by Chesapeakejet on Oct 10, 2016 11:10:10 GMT -5
Don't buy your Hackenberg jersey just yet.
This what an NFL scout player analyst said about him:
Although he has special arm talent, the tape shows flawed decision-making, poor pocket awareness and streaky accuracy due to unstable mechanics. There is no question that Hackenberg will benefit from NFL coaching, but the game still moves at light speed for him and hasn't shown signs of slowing down - is he already damaged goods?
Overall, the physical traits and arm strength are ideal for the NFL, but Hackenberg doesn't show a natural feel for the game and lacks a strong grasp in three critical areas of playing the position: touch, placement and decision-making.
--Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) (2/16/16)
Perfect.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Oct 10, 2016 11:17:03 GMT -5
Don't buy your Hackenberg jersey just yet. This what an NFL scout player analyst said about him: Although he has special arm talent, the tape shows flawed decision-making, poor pocket awareness and streaky accuracy due to unstable mechanics. There is no question that Hackenberg will benefit from NFL coaching, but the game still moves at light speed for him and hasn't shown signs of slowing down - is he already damaged goods?
Overall, the physical traits and arm strength are ideal for the NFL, but Hackenberg doesn't show a natural feel for the game and lacks a strong grasp in three critical areas of playing the position: touch, placement and decision-making.
--Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) (2/16/16) Perfect. If that's directed at me, I'm not. I've said so multiple times in this thread alone. All I'm saying is that Petty has just as many flaws in his game, so I don't get the absolute hate for one of them but the general support for the other. Doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by bxjetfan on Oct 10, 2016 11:20:05 GMT -5
I'm fine with giving him a shot, but if he really were all of those things listed, he wouldn't have been a 4th rounder and the coaches wouldn't still be undecided if he is able to be a capable starter. I disagree with this. Coaching staffs around the league routinely miss on franchise QBs. Brady, Wilson, Warner, Carr, just to name a few. At a certain point you have to give Petty orGeno a shot and see what they have. I don't think Geno is the answer, but let's find out before he walks. If he shits the bed move on to Petty.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Oct 10, 2016 11:24:16 GMT -5
I'd rather let him sit and sacrifice Hack. Then we can expose our GM and CS even more and fire them at the end of the season. Right. The GM and CS are going to expose themselves and sacrifice their high round QB pick. So they can fire themselves.
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