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Post by Fishooked on Dec 30, 2014 11:34:18 GMT -5
In an unrelated story (but part of Jets connection), Mangini is going to interview for the Raiders HC job. Another lamb to the sacrificial table of NFL coaching jobs.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 30, 2014 11:36:58 GMT -5
In an unrelated story (but part of Jets connection), Mangini is going to interview for the Raiders HC job. Another lamb to the sacrificial table of NFL coaching jobs. And people bitch about Woody Imagine having to endure the last decade of Crazy Al's tenure in Oakland, he croaks and you think you're finally on the upswing...only to find out that his goofy fucking son will be running the team for the next 20+ years.
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Post by Fishooked on Dec 30, 2014 12:16:06 GMT -5
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 30, 2014 12:42:57 GMT -5
Quinn is one of the most promising HC candidates out there. I'd personally want nothing to do with a guy like Darrell Bevell, but Quinn is a whole different story. Everyone believes that Quinn is the true defensive guru to come out of Seattle, not Gus Bradley. And Kirchner has been Snyder's right hand man in Seattle. Why the hell we didn't originally go after him instead of Idzik is beyond me. What will he bring to the offensive side of the ball? How will he help Geno? We've had a top 6 or 7 defense for the past 6 years, zero championships. I'm not really looking to debate Rex's D, or the merits of a top D coordinator, I just don't want us falling for the flavor of the month again. Quinn, Bowles, all the talking heads are extolling their virtues, we've been down that road way too many times as fans, it really began with booting Michaels for Walton imho and has been the one true constant of the franchise, grab the hot guy. I really don't have an alternative in mind, but none of these guys excite me, we had a great defensive coach. Agreed. None of these hot coordinators interests me much. I want a guy who has been successful as a HC before. Saban would be a coup if they could get him somehow. I want an upgrade over Rex (who I think we will all miss terribly I'm afraid), not an unknown who is going to have to make the same mistakes as the head guy. Otherwise, I would have rather just kept Rex.
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 30, 2014 12:49:00 GMT -5
I hope we don't just force an offensive guy, if a D guy is the best coach than you still take him. Unfortunately, the Jets are still going to need to win with D for the foreseeable future. This is an unbalanced team that needs a true QB.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 30, 2014 12:49:20 GMT -5
What will he bring to the offensive side of the ball? How will he help Geno? We've had a top 6 or 7 defense for the past 6 years, zero championships. I'm not really looking to debate Rex's D, or the merits of a top D coordinator, I just don't want us falling for the flavor of the month again. Quinn, Bowles, all the talking heads are extolling their virtues, we've been down that road way too many times as fans, it really began with booting Michaels for Walton imho and has been the one true constant of the franchise, grab the hot guy. I really don't have an alternative in mind, but none of these guys excite me, we had a great defensive coach. Agreed. None of these hot coordinators interests me much. I want a guy who has been successful as a HC before. Saban would be a coup if they could get him somehow. I want an upgrade over Rex (who I think we will all miss terribly I'm afraid), not an unknown who is going to have to make the same mistakes as the head guy. Otherwise, I would have rather just kept Rex. Saban was a disaster with the Dolphins Why would you just automatically assume that he'd be infinitely improved upon his second go around in the pros?
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Post by kreissage on Dec 30, 2014 12:50:26 GMT -5
In an unrelated story (but part of Jets connection), Mangini is going to interview for the Raiders HC job.
Wow, that is interesting. That would be an attractive job - they've got Carr, who had an excellent rookie season and looks like a legit franchise QB (that we should've drafted), and the team has sucked for so long that getting them to .500 will make the new coach look very good.
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 30, 2014 12:53:03 GMT -5
Quinn is one of the most promising HC candidates out there. I'd personally want nothing to do with a guy like Darrell Bevell, but Quinn is a whole different story. Everyone believes that Quinn is the true defensive guru to come out of Seattle, not Gus Bradley. And Kirchner has been Snyder's right hand man in Seattle. Why the hell we didn't originally go after him instead of Idzik is beyond me. What will he bring to the offensive side of the ball? How will he help Geno? We've had a top 6 or 7 defense for the past 6 years, zero championships. I'm not really looking to debate Rex's D, or the merits of a top D coordinator, I just don't want us falling for the flavor of the month again. Quinn, Bowles, all the talking heads are extolling their virtues, we've been down that road way too many times as fans, it really began with booting Michaels for Walton imho and has been the one true constant of the franchise, grab the hot guy. I really don't have an alternative in mind, but none of these guys excite me, we had a great defensive coach. In all fairness, several of the top teams in the NFL right now, the guys with Byes in the playoffs next weekend, have predominately defensive HCs. But they also have very good QBs. I have ZERO problem with another HC coming from the defensive side of the football....if it's the RIGHT guy. Pete Carroll, Bill Belidick, John Fox are all defensive guys and one of them is likely hoisting a Lombardi trophy next month.
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Post by shevys on Dec 30, 2014 13:02:14 GMT -5
Like the idea of Bowles. Cable is a good OL coach but struggled as a head coach with the raiders. Kubiak? Great offensive mind, terrible head coach. Reich? I think its too early for him to be considered for a head gig. Just my two cents..thoughts? I wonder about Cable. Did he struggle because he was a bad coach, or was he an unfortunate byproduct of a dysfunctional Raiders organization?
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Dec 30, 2014 13:05:43 GMT -5
Agreed. None of these hot coordinators interests me much. I want a guy who has been successful as a HC before. Saban would be a coup if they could get him somehow. I want an upgrade over Rex (who I think we will all miss terribly I'm afraid), not an unknown who is going to have to make the same mistakes as the head guy. Otherwise, I would have rather just kept Rex. Saban was a disaster with the Dolphins Why would you just automatically assume that he'd be infinitely improved upon his second go around in the pros? Because a lot of times coaches learn from their first stints. Plus, he wasn't as bad at Miami as you may have remembered. He bailed after 2 years and then they crashed. He's proven himself again at the college level and almost certainly learned alot from his first time around. I just want someone with a proven HC track record and Saban is probably one of the best, most realistic options out there.
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Post by USAFJetFan on Dec 30, 2014 13:06:02 GMT -5
Why are we interviewing HC's before we even have a GM. Isn't the one thing Woody realized he did wrong was not letting Idzik hire his own HC? Why would we go through that again? Doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 30, 2014 13:08:51 GMT -5
Saban was a disaster with the Dolphins Why would you just automatically assume that he'd be infinitely improved upon his second go around in the pros? Because a lot of times coaches learn from their first stints. Plus, he wasn't as bad at Miami as you may have remembered. He bailed after 2 years and then they crashed. He's proven himself again at the college level and almost certainly learned alot from his first time around. I just want someone with a proven HC track record and Saban is probably one of the best, most realistic options out there. Saban has proven that he's a master at coaching 18 and 19 year old college kids. When it came to the pros, he fell flat on his face. This would scream of an ill fated, backpage headline grabbing move.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 30, 2014 13:10:44 GMT -5
Why are we interviewing HC's before we even have a GM. Isn't the one thing Woody realized he did wrong was not letting Idzik hire his own HC? Why would we go through that again? Doesn't make any sense to me. Because after this weekend you can't interview guys like Quinn, Bowles or Gase until their teams are eliminated from the playoffs. If we really like Quinn, then what are we going to do? Potentially wait until after the Superbowl in February to initiate talks with him?
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Post by ftljetfan on Dec 30, 2014 13:15:08 GMT -5
I don't even consider Cable a failure as a HC. I personally always thought that the Raiders were dumb as hell for getting rid of him. Ditto for Hue Jackson Would love to see Hue get an interview Ya I would rather see Hue before Cable.
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Post by ftljetfan on Dec 30, 2014 13:20:13 GMT -5
Agreed. None of these hot coordinators interests me much. I want a guy who has been successful as a HC before. Saban would be a coup if they could get him somehow. I want an upgrade over Rex (who I think we will all miss terribly I'm afraid), not an unknown who is going to have to make the same mistakes as the head guy. Otherwise, I would have rather just kept Rex. Saban was a disaster with the Dolphins Why would you just automatically assume that he'd be infinitely improved upon his second go around in the pros? Thank you! I dont get the Saban love, he couldnt make it in Miami and his players hated him. Imagine how he would fair in NY
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