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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 31, 2016 14:35:52 GMT -5
I'd rather take one of the young RBs at 6 then trade down. We have a lot of young solid pieces on this team, what we lack are difference makers. We need to add elite talent to the team, especially on offense. Having Fournette or Cook on the team is going to help Petty/Hackenberg/? a ton. I don't disagree but the Jets tried to coast on the OLine with Mangold and D'Brick for too long. It's now getting our QBs hurt. There is no more Damien Woody or Brandon Moore here. We've got a patchwork of guys who can't be trusted and none are much above average. Can we trust Clady to be back and healthy? What about Winters? Aren't Ijalana, Qvale and Wes Johnson simply hold-the-fort guys at best? Carpenter looks to be the only decent starter and he plays just about the least important spot on the OLine. An offensive line investment does two things....it improves the running game and protects the QB. It can help keep our defense off the field. I like Cook, I really do. And I won't complain if that's the pick. But it HAS to be a pick made after we've done some work on this OLine first. I will say the most impressive thing about Cook given the times we live in.....he played last night. When other guys are sitting out to protect their Draft stock, he suited up and played because he wanted to win a bowl game....and he did.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 31, 2016 15:20:49 GMT -5
I'd rather take one of the young RBs at 6 then trade down. We have a lot of young solid pieces on this team, what we lack are difference makers. We need to add elite talent to the team, especially on offense. Having Fournette or Cook on the team is going to help Petty/Hackenberg/? a ton. I don't disagree but the Jets tried to coast on the OLine with Mangold and D'Brick for too long. It's now getting our QBs hurt. There is no more Damien Woody or Brandon Moore here. We've got a patchwork of guys who can't be trusted and none are much above average. Can we trust Clady to be back and healthy? What about Winters? Aren't Ijalana, Qvale and Wes Johnson simply hold-the-fort guys at best? Carpenter looks to be the only decent starter and he plays just about the least important spot on the OLine. An offensive line investment does two things....it improves the running game and protects the QB. It can help keep our defense off the field. I like Cook, I really do. And I won't complain if that's the pick. But it HAS to be a pick made after we've done some work on this OLine first. I will say the most impressive thing about Cook given the times we live in.....he played last night. When other guys are sitting out to protect their Draft stock, he suited up and played because he wanted to win a bowl game....and he did. In a year with no sure fire OTs, it would be a colossal mistake to pass on elite talent in Cleveland-like fashion, just to trade back and take an OT for the sake of taking an OT. There is some decent clay to mold, but it's more the 2nd-3rd round level stuff. We're gonna have go LT shopping in FA and possibly a top tier OG too (i'm not about over paying Winters). Not saying rely on FA, but we ain't gonna remodel our Oline in the first round this year IMO
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Post by maury77 on Dec 31, 2016 15:23:37 GMT -5
I'd rather take one of the young RBs at 6 then trade down. We have a lot of young solid pieces on this team, what we lack are difference makers. We need to add elite talent to the team, especially on offense. Having Fournette or Cook on the team is going to help Petty/Hackenberg/? a ton. I don't disagree but the Jets tried to coast on the OLine with Mangold and D'Brick for too long. It's now getting our QBs hurt. There is no more Damien Woody or Brandon Moore here. We've got a patchwork of guys who can't be trusted and none are much above average. Can we trust Clady to be back and healthy? What about Winters? Aren't Ijalana, Qvale and Wes Johnson simply hold-the-fort guys at best? Carpenter looks to be the only decent starter and he plays just about the least important spot on the OLine. An offensive line investment does two things....it improves the running game and protects the QB. It can help keep our defense off the field. I like Cook, I really do. And I won't complain if that's the pick. But it HAS to be a pick made after we've done some work on this OLine first. I will say the most impressive thing about Cook given the times we live in.....he played last night. When other guys are sitting out to protect their Draft stock, he suited up and played because he wanted to win a bowl game....and he did. Trust me, like Paradis said, if an elite LT was available, I'd be having a different point of view. But there does not appear to be one in the draft. Also, I don't think our line is as bad as many think. LG: Carpenter is an above average starter. C: Mangold is likely gone, but if we can resign Johnson, he is a decent starter. We can draft a replacement in the mid rounds. C isn't a position where you need to spend prime draft picks. RG: I'm assuming we will resign Winters, who is an above average player. RT: I'm maybe too optimistic, but I think Shell is going to pan out here and develop into an above average starter. We need a LT, but we will address that in free agency. Also, there are some LT prospects in the second and third round.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 31, 2016 15:29:41 GMT -5
I don't disagree but the Jets tried to coast on the OLine with Mangold and D'Brick for too long. It's now getting our QBs hurt. There is no more Damien Woody or Brandon Moore here. We've got a patchwork of guys who can't be trusted and none are much above average. Can we trust Clady to be back and healthy? What about Winters? Aren't Ijalana, Qvale and Wes Johnson simply hold-the-fort guys at best? Carpenter looks to be the only decent starter and he plays just about the least important spot on the OLine. An offensive line investment does two things....it improves the running game and protects the QB. It can help keep our defense off the field. I like Cook, I really do. And I won't complain if that's the pick. But it HAS to be a pick made after we've done some work on this OLine first. I will say the most impressive thing about Cook given the times we live in.....he played last night. When other guys are sitting out to protect their Draft stock, he suited up and played because he wanted to win a bowl game....and he did. Trust me, like Paradis said, if an elite LT was available, I'd be having a different point of view. But there does not appear to be one in the draft. Also, I don't think our line is as bad as many think. LG: Carpenter is an above average starter. C: Mangold is likely gone, but if we can resign Johnson, he is a decent starter. We can draft a replacement in the mid rounds. C isn't a position where you need to spend prime draft picks. RG: I'm assuming we will resign Winters, who is an above average player. RT: I'm maybe too optimistic, but I think Shell is going to pan out here and develop into an above average starter. We need a LT, but we will address that in free agency. Also, there are some LT prospects in the second and third round. Pretty much what i'm thinking, except I'd let Winters go. I have a feeling his asking price is not going to reflect his body of work. He's riding the best-season train. I look at this way LT: need a bandaide, Whitworth caliber for 2 years, draft the replacement to develop. LG: Carpenter C: Mangold will restructure and him and Johnson will get by RG: FA. Ron Leary caliber from DAL. RT: Shell.
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Post by genot on Dec 31, 2016 15:42:29 GMT -5
We haven't had a homegrown legit offensive skill player in god knows how long. This is so unbelievably god damn true. It's permeates all of our perspectives, attitudes about FAs we bring in, and the use of our draft picks. How much longer can a franchise go without drafting a playmaker?? Web haven't had a true pass rusher since John Abraham. We have no starting caliber corners. No impact safety. We do have Powell. Im not sure where to go with our pick in the first round.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Dec 31, 2016 16:20:14 GMT -5
I said it back during the season, and I still firmly believe it, but the NFL is slowly skewing back to a run first league. The learning curve from College QB to NFL QB grows each year, and the true "franchise" QBs that can carry a team by themselves may be few and far between going forward.
That said, it makes complete sense to me to draft one of these RBs at 6, since their likely won't be a LT worth drafting there.
I prefer Fournette ever so slightly to Cook, but would be completely fine either way.
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Post by fullblast on Dec 31, 2016 17:23:28 GMT -5
I'd be thrilled with either of these backs. Failing that, trade back and fix up the OL and secondary.
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Post by Gunnails on Dec 31, 2016 20:48:13 GMT -5
Jet's need a bit of everything.
You draft the best player available or trade out for more picks.
Not a good idea to draft to fill needs, but of course some times that comes in to play, but more so in the later rounds.
I'm all for Cook at this point.
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Post by Yankees45 on Dec 31, 2016 22:46:21 GMT -5
Cook is the Obj of this rb draft class , I'm tellin you if we skip on him it will haunt us forever
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Post by ryu79 on Dec 31, 2016 23:33:48 GMT -5
What if we trade down into the late teens or early 20's? Grab and extra second and a third maybe. We could then grab a bunch of good linemen. Shell and Johnson look promising now with Winters improved play we could really turn the OL from a weakness to a strength in one year. May not be Dallas level but much improved over the shit we saw this year. +1 I don't want to reach for an OLineman at #6 or so. I'd trade down and get a stud OT. If we can sign a LT in Free Agency then maybe going with an elite RB in Round 1 is okay but I'd immediately come back in Round 2 and consider a Center who can play his rookie year at OG and learn from Mangold for a season before moving over to C. The Jets draft strategy will obviously be predicated on how/what they do in FA. We still have so many needs....OLine, CB, OLB, etc. A few of those boxes need to be checked prior to the Draft. Let's also remember the Jets strategy spanning three different GMs now.....Thomas Jones with a young guy (Shonn Greene) behind him, Chris Ivory with Powell behind him, Matt Forte with Powell behind him. The Jets have NEVER shown the propensity to value a RB highly in the draft. Who knows....it could change, but it hasn't been their style for more than a decade. His name is Blair Thomas.
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Post by RobR on Dec 31, 2016 23:48:14 GMT -5
I'd rather take one of the young RBs at 6 then trade down. We have a lot of young solid pieces on this team, what we lack are difference makers. We need to add elite talent to the team, especially on offense. Having Fournette or Cook on the team is going to help Petty/Hackenberg/? a ton. I don't disagree but the Jets tried to coast on the OLine with Mangold and D'Brick for too long. It's now getting our QBs hurt. There is no more Damien Woody or Brandon Moore here. We've got a patchwork of guys who can't be trusted and none are much above average. Can we trust Clady to be back and healthy? What about Winters? Aren't Ijalana, Qvale and Wes Johnson simply hold-the-fort guys at best? Carpenter looks to be the only decent starter and he plays just about the least important spot on the OLine. An offensive line investment does two things....it improves the running game and protects the QB. It can help keep our defense off the field. I like Cook, I really do. And I won't complain if that's the pick. But it HAS to be a pick made after we've done some work on this OLine first. I will say the most impressive thing about Cook given the times we live in.....he played last night. When other guys are sitting out to protect their Draft stock, he suited up and played because he wanted to win a bowl game....and he did. I've been vetting these offensive lineman and even I don't think there is one worth the 6th overall. There will be at least five that go in the first round but most will be in lower part of the first round. Draft Cook at 6(yes I've come around to it) and pray Antonio Garcia falls to our second round pick. Boner pants in full effect.
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Post by ryu79 on Dec 31, 2016 23:50:09 GMT -5
Jet's need a bit of everything. You draft the best player available or trade out for more picks. Not a good idea to draft to fill needs, but of course some times that comes in to play, but more so in the later rounds. I'm all for Cook at this point. This! We need to do the simple thing here. If this is a RB draft, you draft an RB. We got lucky with the Leonard dropping into our hands at six, but blew it the year prior in the WR rich draft. I wish there was a stud LT in this draft but seems no one is excited by whats out there. Three questions: 1. Will there be LTs in FA to fill that need adequately? Everyone is pissed at Macca these days, but i was impressed he got Clady so fast when Brick retired. 2. How likely is it Cook and Fournette are even there when we pick? 3. If they are as exciting as touted here, might their inclusion get Mangold excited enough to come back another year? On a cheaper deal ofcourse. (Id feel much better investing in a skill player with our early pick if we had him around)
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Post by DowNY on Jan 1, 2017 0:54:02 GMT -5
Yeah, he'll instantly help us just like Gurley made LA a winner. Fix the OLine first is my position. We can get a RB later. There are always a few guys out there. (ex. Gurley, Elliott this year, etc.) All LA has to do is fix their OLine & get things right on defense. They don't have to worry about RB for years unless he gets hurt.
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Post by chrebet80 on Jan 1, 2017 2:07:22 GMT -5
Jet's need a bit of everything. You draft the best player available or trade out for more picks. Not a good idea to draft to fill needs, but of course some times that comes in to play, but more so in the later rounds. I'm all for Cook at this point. This! We need to do the simple thing here. If this is a RB draft, you draft an RB. We got lucky with the Leonard dropping into our hands at six, but blew it the year prior in the WR rich draft. I wish there was a stud LT in this draft but seems no one is excited by whats out there. Three questions: 1. Will there be LTs in FA to fill that need adequately? Everyone is pissed at Macca these days, but i was impressed he got Clady so fast when Brick retired. 2. How likely is it Cook and Fournette are even there when we pick? 3. If they are as exciting as touted here, might their inclusion get Mangold excited enough to come back another year? On a cheaper deal ofcourse. (Id feel much better investing in a skill player with our early pick if we had him around) Cook and fournette should both be available. At the very least 1 of them will be sitting there for us. No way 2 out of the first 5 picks are rbs
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Post by genot on Jan 1, 2017 8:28:31 GMT -5
Jet's need a bit of everything. You draft the best player available or trade out for more picks. Not a good idea to draft to fill needs, but of course some times that comes in to play, but more so in the later rounds. I'm all for Cook at this point. This! We need to do the simple thing here. If this is a RB draft, you draft an RB. We got lucky with the Leonard dropping into our hands at six, but blew it the year prior in the WR rich draft. I wish there was a stud LT in this draft but seems no one is excited by whats out there. Three questions: 1. Will there be LTs in FA to fill that need adequately? Everyone is pissed at Macca these days, but i was impressed he got Clady so fast when Brick retired. 2. How likely is it Cook and Fournette are even there when we pick? 3. If they are as exciting as touted here, might their inclusion get Mangold excited enough to come back another year? On a cheaper deal ofcourse. (Id feel much better investing in a skill player with our early pick if we had him around)
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