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Post by Big L on Jan 2, 2015 18:09:14 GMT -5
I think I have Big L to thank for that pic. It might have been Ragu though. Wasn't me, buddy.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 3, 2015 9:13:48 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this whole idea that the GM has to hire the HC. Why? What qualifies a "new" GM to select a HC? Especially since the jets want a GM who is an expert in personnel. What would he know about hiring a HC. I trust Wolf, Casserly, and Woody to make a better decision on hiring a HC than a new GM. All three of them have hired and fired HCs before.
Also, why do some believe a HC has to be under the GM in the corporate structure? Many teams have done away with this, with both the GM and HC as equals with separate and distinct job descriptions who report to the owner.
I'm fine with Woody and his team of consultants selecting and hiring a coach before a GM. Their is no reason to believe that a new GM could do any better.
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Post by klecko on Jan 3, 2015 9:35:42 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this whole idea that the GM has to hire the HC. Why? What qualifies a "new" GM to select a HC? Especially since the jets want a GM who is an expert in personnel. What would he know about hiring a HC. I trust Wolf, Casserly, and Woody to make a better decision on hiring a HC than a new GM. All three of them have hired and fired HCs before. Also, why do some believe a HC has to be under the GM in the corporate structure? Many teams have done away with this, with both the GM and HC as equals with separate and distinct job descriptions who report to the owner. I'm fine with Woody and his team of consultants selecting and hiring a coach before a GM. Their is no reason to believe that a new GM could do any better. Interesting perspective. I think it is important that the two have to be on the same page as far as identifying the type of players needed for the scheme the coach wants to run but I can see where one wouldn't necessarily have to report to the other. There would have to be some definition as to who has the final say when in the draft room if they can't come to a consensus.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 10:33:02 GMT -5
There are also reports that Woody will have both the GM and HC report directly to him independently. Interpret that however you choose. Can't find it anymore but I put it in another thread somwhere with NJ.com quoting somebody with 'knowledge' that Woody has not decided on his org structure yet. Iseen the same article about woody still not sure on how they will go about the whole situation..But last night that Rappaport dude was saying that the jets would definitly like to get a GM in place first. Its crazy how we hear so many diff stories in so short matter of time.Ijust hope they get it right even if it takes acouple of months.iam sure they will do thier due dilligence."I HOPE" Ijust know how alot of jet fans need that instant gradafication including myself i just hope they get it right because after 30yrs it gets alittle tiresome of trying to find that right regime that will finally get it right....long sighhh i truley belive this frachise is cursed !And once again we are blowing up the organization and starting over.So however you go about it woody i just hope its astep in the right direction!
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 3, 2015 10:51:07 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this whole idea that the GM has to hire the HC. Why? What qualifies a "new" GM to select a HC? Especially since the jets want a GM who is an expert in personnel. What would he know about hiring a HC. I trust Wolf, Casserly, and Woody to make a better decision on hiring a HC than a new GM. All three of them have hired and fired HCs before. Also, why do some believe a HC has to be under the GM in the corporate structure? Many teams have done away with this, with both the GM and HC as equals with separate and distinct job descriptions who report to the owner. I'm fine with Woody and his team of consultants selecting and hiring a coach before a GM. Their is no reason to believe that a new GM could do any better. Interesting perspective. I think it is important that the two have to be on the same page as far as identifying the type of players needed for the scheme the coach wants to run but I can see where one wouldn't necessarily have to report to the other. There would have to be some definition as to who has the final say when in the draft room if they can't come to a consensus. Final say in the draft room goes to the GM. That is the essential function of his job!
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Post by Harrier on Jan 3, 2015 10:55:49 GMT -5
Just looking at recent tweets, Cimini, Brandon Moore, Costello and Mawae all endorsing and supporting Marrone.
The Indian fuckface recommends Frank reich. It's clear what's going on, Indian fuckface wants a weak candidate because he's scared shitless the Jets may be onto something and be a good team under a real HC.
All of this pricks Career is built on negative press, he's nothin without controversial news to print, that's why he wants Reich instead of Marrone.
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Post by chrisjets23 on Jan 3, 2015 11:05:35 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this whole idea that the GM has to hire the HC. Why? What qualifies a "new" GM to select a HC? Especially since the jets want a GM who is an expert in personnel. What would he know about hiring a HC. I trust Wolf, Casserly, and Woody to make a better decision on hiring a HC than a new GM. All three of them have hired and fired HCs before. Also, why do some believe a HC has to be under the GM in the corporate structure? Many teams have done away with this, with both the GM and HC as equals with separate and distinct job descriptions who report to the owner. I'm fine with Woody and his team of consultants selecting and hiring a coach before a GM. Their is no reason to believe that a new GM could do any better. I think it's different in the NFL compared to regular businesses though when it comes to this type of corporate structure. Look at what's happening now in Philly between Roseman and Kelly. If the owner, or in this case consultants pick the GM and HC independently (even if it's on the same timeline) it tends to be a recipe for disaster. I have no problems at all with Casserly and Wolf conducting the search, and I do respect the fact they are least asking the GMs for their list of HCs. The part that does worry me is that Casserly and Wolf may have their favorites and personal agendas tied into making a hire rather than looking at the scope of what's best for Woody and this organization.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 3, 2015 11:33:41 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this whole idea that the GM has to hire the HC. Why? What qualifies a "new" GM to select a HC? Especially since the jets want a GM who is an expert in personnel. What would he know about hiring a HC. I trust Wolf, Casserly, and Woody to make a better decision on hiring a HC than a new GM. All three of them have hired and fired HCs before. Also, why do some believe a HC has to be under the GM in the corporate structure? Many teams have done away with this, with both the GM and HC as equals with separate and distinct job descriptions who report to the owner. I'm fine with Woody and his team of consultants selecting and hiring a coach before a GM. Their is no reason to believe that a new GM could do any better. I think it's different in the NFL compared to regular businesses though when it comes to this type of corporate structure. Look at what's happening now in Philly between Roseman and Kelly. If the owner, or in this case consultants pick the GM and HC independently (even if it's on the same timeline) it tends to be a recipe for disaster. I have no problems at all with Casserly and Wolf conducting the search, and I do respect the fact they are least asking the GMs for their list of HCs. The part that does worry me is that Casserly and Wolf may have their favorites and personal agendas tied into making a hire rather than looking at the scope of what's best for Woody and this organization. Not if they want to get hired as "consultants" in the future. Personally, I think the NFL does not like outside organizations like Korn & Ferry in their business. So, Wolf and Casserly have to succeed so the league can keep outsiders from horning in on their business.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jan 3, 2015 11:36:07 GMT -5
BECAUSE WOODY IS A FUCKING MORON!!!! Actually it's the other way around. Who would ever think the owner, the guy who writes the checks wouldn't be involved in the process? How ow come no one asked why Woody was the guy who hired CC and RW as consultants? Always love the "our owner is a dumb fuck" mindset
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jan 3, 2015 11:39:48 GMT -5
There are also reports that Woody will have both the GM and HC report directly to him independently. Interpret that however you choose. Can't find it anymore but I put it in another thread somwhere with NJ.com quoting somebody with 'knowledge' that Woody has not decided on his org structure yet. How would anyone know? Pure speculation. Read that Woody would talk to Rex on Fridays. Given that the GM and HC aren't always in the building at the same time, doesn't it make sense that they're not able to sit down together every week?
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Post by carlito1171 on Jan 3, 2015 11:42:57 GMT -5
Rappaport just said(on NFL Network) that the Jets would like to have a GM in place first. Just interviewing HCs to get a head start on the process...
Also said to keep an eye on Marrone's interview today.
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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 3, 2015 13:18:41 GMT -5
BECAUSE WOODY IS A FUCKING MORON!!!! Actually it's the other way around. Who would ever think the owner, the guy who writes the checks wouldn't be involved in the process? How ow come no one asked why Woody was the guy who hired CC and RW as consultants? Always love the "our owner is a dumb fuck" mindset He is a dumb fuck for even considering hiring the HC. Bring the GM in and let him assemble is team.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 3, 2015 13:58:13 GMT -5
Actually it's the other way around. Who would ever think the owner, the guy who writes the checks wouldn't be involved in the process? How ow come no one asked why Woody was the guy who hired CC and RW as consultants? Always love the "our owner is a dumb fuck" mindset He is a dumb fuck for even considering hiring the HC. Bring the GM in and let him assemble is team. Why? Woody has excelled at hiring coaches. Every one he has hired has made the playoffs with the exception of Groh, who was 9-7 in his only season.
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Post by bxjetfan on Jan 3, 2015 14:14:12 GMT -5
He is a dumb fuck for even considering hiring the HC. Bring the GM in and let him assemble is team. Why? Woody has excelled at hiring coaches. Every one he has hired has made the playoffs with the exception of Groh, who was 9-7 in his only season. Every GM made the playoffs except Idzik. So I guess nothing is wrong with Woody's approach. Who am I to tell him how to play with his toy.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 3, 2015 14:20:24 GMT -5
Why? Woody has excelled at hiring coaches. Every one he has hired has made the playoffs with the exception of Groh, who was 9-7 in his only season. Every GM made the playoffs except Idzik. So I guess nothing is wrong with Woody's approach. Who am I to tell him how to play with his toy. Exactly. I thought the prior GM's were good hires at the time. Bradway was a respected personnel guy, and Tanny wheeled and dealed the Jets to get them the talent for a few playoff runs. Idzik, on the other hand, was a terrible hire, Woody realized it, and is attempting to fix it. For all the name calling about Woody's IQ, every hire he has made to date (with exception of the K&F assisted Idzik) was a solid hire at the time that no one questioned.
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