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Post by eaglenj on Jan 2, 2015 13:28:10 GMT -5
Jameis Cutler, i'm sorry Winston, looked every bit the kid I thought he was last night. IMO, there's zero chance he cleans up his decision making. He'll always be Jameis who giveth, and Jameis who taketh - we'll never be able to rely on him for consistent QB when it matters. Mariota continues to look like "meh" to me. He'll be an RGIII knee injury away from being a limited talent Paradis - Im amazed you feel that way about Winston Look at the game situations last night starting in the 3rd quarter when it was a close game First drive - winston drives them to the oregon 31, the RB fumbles - Oregon gets the ball and scores a TD Second drive - winston gets the ball and leads a 75 yard scoring drive for a TD - Oregon answers with a TD (in 1:24 btw) Third drive - FSU gains 33 yards, RB fumbles again - Oregon scores another TD, this time in 24 seconds. So before Winston had a single TO, the game when from 18-13 to 39-20 in 10 mins of 3rd quarter play. If you are playing QB, and watched what oregon just did to your defense, do you think its time to start pressing? Isnt that what the game situation dictates? Now the next drive is when winston fumbled which was a horrible job of ball security. Then the int - was that his fault? Or was that another drop by his WR? I think it crazy to pin this loss on him, his WRs dropped multiple balls, fumbled and on top of that oregon was scoring at ease. The only thing he should have done was start forcing the ball downfield and try to keep up the scoring. I dont think he played poorly at all
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Post by razorjet on Jan 2, 2015 13:30:58 GMT -5
He argued with his coach on national TV yesterday to the point that Jumbo said, Calm the fuck down or I'm sending you to the bench. Everything about him says, do not touch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 13:36:15 GMT -5
Winston is an elite college QB, last night was a peek to see what a petulant child he really is and explains his off the field behavior. He's never been held accountable. Jamarcus Russell? Stick to baseball.
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Post by carlito1171 on Jan 2, 2015 13:42:53 GMT -5
I didn't see the game but it sounds like Winston didn't play well. Anyone else think that he should stay another year? He can work on the mechanic issues and can (hopefully) prove his maturity. The game last night was the best thing the Jets could have hoped for - a stat line that looks poor, along with his team losing, when in fact Winston did everything he normally does as a player, his teammates just let him down. Its amazing to me how our fan base, after living through 2 years of Geno Smith, could compare these 2 players. Completion % and to a degree interceptions in college DO NOT TRANSLATE to the pros. Geno's college numbers were astounding and he has NFL arm strength, but those numbers dont translate because in college he was throwing to open WRs, in the pros you throw to spots as rarely are players truly "open". Winston consistently throws to spots, rather then to open guys. He moves in the pocket, either keeping plays alive or finding his checkdown - basically exactly what you want to see a young QB do. Is his footwork poor, yes, mainly because he plays baseball all offseason rather then refining his mechanics. On a last note, did you notice him on the sideline at all? Going to the bench and telling his entire offense that he believed in them and that they would come back? Then he went on the field, hit his WR for a 20 yard gain and the kid fumbled. He is a leader on the field - yet another quality that Geno doesnt even remotely possess. As a fan base we can only pray he falls to us. I hear you man, I've been a Winston fan from day 1, but he's losing me with all these INTs. Let's see what comes out of the combine and interviews with Winston, if he declares of course.....
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Post by jetlife on Jan 2, 2015 15:45:11 GMT -5
Jameis Cutler, i'm sorry Winston, looked every bit the kid I thought he was last night. IMO, there's zero chance he cleans up his decision making. He'll always be Jameis who giveth, and Jameis who taketh - we'll never be able to rely on him for consistent QB when it matters. Mariota continues to look like "meh" to me. He'll be an RGIII knee injury away from being a limited talent Paradis - Im amazed you feel that way about Winston Look at the game situations last night starting in the 3rd quarter when it was a close game First drive - winston drives them to the oregon 31, the RB fumbles - Oregon gets the ball and scores a TD Second drive - winston gets the ball and leads a 75 yard scoring drive for a TD - Oregon answers with a TD (in 1:24 btw) Third drive - FSU gains 33 yards, RB fumbles again - Oregon scores another TD, this time in 24 seconds. So before Winston had a single TO, the game when from 18-13 to 39-20 in 10 mins of 3rd quarter play. If you are playing QB, and watched what oregon just did to your defense, do you think its time to start pressing? Isnt that what the game situation dictates? Now the next drive is when winston fumbled which was a horrible job of ball security. Then the int - was that his fault? Or was that another drop by his WR? I think it crazy to pin this loss on him, his WRs dropped multiple balls, fumbled and on top of that oregon was scoring at ease. The only thing he should have done was start forcing the ball downfield and try to keep up the scoring. I dont think he played poorly at all Winston's performance couldn't help the Noles make it to the national title game again, but it figured to have impressed NFL scouts. "It's gonna come off as crazy because his team got killed, but this was one of his more impressive games," said former NFL scout Bucky Brooks, a draft analyst for NFL Network who was at the Rose Bowl. "What you're trying to see is how they handle the pressure. They had a game plan with a higher degree of difficulty in the throws he's asked to make. "He made a lot of big-time throws. He was delivering throws in traffic, between the hashes. Those are the hardest throws for a young quarterback to make because you have to get rid of the ball before you know the receiver's open, so it's big on anticipation and trust. Most young quarterbacks want to wait till they see their receiver come open and by then it's too late. His anticipation and timing are very good." Brooks noted that while Winston threw a pick, it was on a ball his receiver had bounce off his hands. The scout didn't like to see the fumble, but that did come on a fourth-down play where "you have to make a play."
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 2, 2015 15:50:20 GMT -5
If Winston falls to the Jets at 6, I guarantee that if they do NOT select him he will be a first ballot HOF'er.
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Post by carlito1171 on Jan 2, 2015 15:59:15 GMT -5
If Winston falls to the Jets at 6, I guarantee that if they do NOT select him he will be a first ballot HOF'er. And if we take him he'll bust. SOJ. Because God said so!
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Post by DowNY on Jan 2, 2015 16:17:54 GMT -5
A loss was the best thing that could happen to the kid before he transitions to the NFL.
Didn't want him feeling invincible because of never losing in college.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 2, 2015 17:04:43 GMT -5
Jameis Cutler, i'm sorry Winston, looked every bit the kid I thought he was last night. IMO, there's zero chance he cleans up his decision making. He'll always be Jameis who giveth, and Jameis who taketh - we'll never be able to rely on him for consistent QB when it matters. Mariota continues to look like "meh" to me. He'll be an RGIII knee injury away from being a limited talent Paradis - Im amazed you feel that way about Winston Look at the game situations last night starting in the 3rd quarter when it was a close game First drive - winston drives them to the oregon 31, the RB fumbles - Oregon gets the ball and scores a TD Second drive - winston gets the ball and leads a 75 yard scoring drive for a TD - Oregon answers with a TD (in 1:24 btw) Third drive - FSU gains 33 yards, RB fumbles again - Oregon scores another TD, this time in 24 seconds. So before Winston had a single TO, the game when from 18-13 to 39-20 in 10 mins of 3rd quarter play. If you are playing QB, and watched what oregon just did to your defense, do you think its time to start pressing? Isnt that what the game situation dictates? Now the next drive is when winston fumbled which was a horrible job of ball security. Then the int - was that his fault? Or was that another drop by his WR? I think it crazy to pin this loss on him, his WRs dropped multiple balls, fumbled and on top of that oregon was scoring at ease. The only thing he should have done was start forcing the ball downfield and try to keep up the scoring. I dont think he played poorly at all I'm not pinning the loss on Winston. I watched the game, I saw a QB who got virtually no help from his team. Everyone was making mistakes. As a prospect though, I don't trust him. He was the tools and mechanical ability to be a high level quarterback in the NFL. That doesn't mean he will though. I see Jay Cutler out there, too often - and Cutler to me as revealed himself to be a QB you just can't rely on.
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Post by flushingjet on Jan 2, 2015 18:36:18 GMT -5
Paradis - Im amazed you feel that way about Winston Look at the game situations last night starting in the 3rd quarter when it was a close game First drive - winston drives them to the oregon 31, the RB fumbles - Oregon gets the ball and scores a TD Second drive - winston gets the ball and leads a 75 yard scoring drive for a TD - Oregon answers with a TD (in 1:24 btw) Third drive - FSU gains 33 yards, RB fumbles again - Oregon scores another TD, this time in 24 seconds. So before Winston had a single TO, the game when from 18-13 to 39-20 in 10 mins of 3rd quarter play. If you are playing QB, and watched what oregon just did to your defense, do you think its time to start pressing? Isnt that what the game situation dictates? Now the next drive is when winston fumbled which was a horrible job of ball security. Then the int - was that his fault? Or was that another drop by his WR? I think it crazy to pin this loss on him, his WRs dropped multiple balls, fumbled and on top of that oregon was scoring at ease. The only thing he should have done was start forcing the ball downfield and try to keep up the scoring. I dont think he played poorly at all I'm not pinning the loss on Winston. I watched the game, I saw a QB who got virtually no help from his team. Everyone was making mistakes. As a prospect though, I don't trust him. He was the tools and mechanical ability to be a high level quarterback in the NFL. That doesn't mean he will though. I see Jay Cutler out there, too often - and Cutler to me as revealed himself to be a QB you just can't rely on. I don't see that nonchalant Cutler attitude. ..
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Post by gifthorse on Jan 2, 2015 22:27:27 GMT -5
All the QB's available this Draft are epic fails.. Nothing prospect wise.
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Post by morite on Jan 2, 2015 23:10:16 GMT -5
I'm torn over Winston. I watched the game. That throw in the 1st quarter where everyone thought the DB tipped the ball, but it hit the receiver right in the hands. What a throw. He had a few of those "thread the needle" throws last night. But there are some things about him that scares me. His off the field antics for one. Maybe I can get past that, but I see the same Johnny Football BS bravado ("my start status will get me through") being a potential problem. He also does have happy feet when the pressure gets close...many QB's do, but I don't want my high 1st round pick to have any of those bad habits that seem so tough to break.
I thought some of his emotional displays last night in the 3rd quarter when things began to unravel were more negative than positive. That 1st fumble by the true freshman RB really bothered Winston. I saw him giving that kid the business, and he went and fumbled on 4th down himself. Once he was told to calm down or get benched, he did pull himself together and try to be more leader-like, but...when the game was in reach I thought he became a little unglued and "finger-pointy".
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Post by cgjet on Jan 3, 2015 14:21:57 GMT -5
I'm not a big Geno fan, but I'd ride it out with him for another year, and fill other gaps on the roster rather than gamble with Winston. As they said on the radio the other day: "Look at how he's acting when he's a broke college kid, and just think of what he's going to be up to with $20M in is pocket."
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Post by maury77 on Jan 3, 2015 15:16:21 GMT -5
Paradis - I'M amazed you feel that way about Winston Look at the game situations last night starting in the 3rd quarter when it was a close game First drive - winston drives them to the oregon 31, the RB fumbles - Oregon gets the ball and scores a TD Second drive - winston gets the ball and leads a 75 yard scoring drive for a TD - Oregon answers with a TD (in 1:24 btw) Third drive - FSU gains 33 yards, RB fumbles again - Oregon scores another TD, this time in 24 seconds. So before Winston had a single TO, the game when from 18-13 to 39-20 in 10 mins of 3rd quarter play. If you are playing QB, and watched what oregon just did to YOU'RE defense, do you think its time to start pressing? Isnt that what the game situation dictates? Now the next drive is when winston fumbled which was a horrible job of ball security. Then the int - was that his fault? Or was that another drop by his WR? I think it crazy to pin this loss on him, his WRs dropped multiple balls, fumbled and on top of that oregon was scoring at ease. The only thing he should have done was start forcing the ball downfield and try to keep up the scoring. I dont think he played poorly at all I'm not pinning the loss on Winston. I watched the game, I saw a QB who got virtually no help from his team. Everyone was making mistakes. As a prospect though, I don't trust him. He was the tools and mechanical ability to be a high level quarterback in the NFL. That doesn't mean he will though. I see Jay Cutler out there, too often - and Cutler to me as revealed himself to be a QB you just can't rely on. I understand where you are coming from with the Cutler comparisons because Winston does occasionally trust himself a bit too much with his arm. That being said, he is 20 years old. The more nuanced aspects of the position (such as anticipation) are already there. I don't think it is too much of a projection to expect him to mature as a decision maker (although it is not a given).
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jan 3, 2015 16:41:26 GMT -5
This stay away from Winston mania reminds me of the stay away from Marino disinformation campaign. If he's there the Jets have to take him. reminds a bit of last year's bridgewater fiasco. he was always the best qb in the draft. the over-analysis killed his stock, and now the vikes are grinning Other than Winston is bigger, stronger, has a much better arm, plays in bigger games, is deadly accurate into much smaller windows is the undeniable team leader and looks like an NFL QB. Other than those differences, they look alike. if he's there and the Jets pass they're idiots.
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