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Post by Anthony Jet on Jan 3, 2015 18:58:30 GMT -5
reminds a bit of last year's bridgewater fiasco. he was always the best qb in the draft. the over-analysis killed his stock, and now the vikes are grinning Other than Winston is bigger, stronger, has a much better arm, plays in bigger games, is deadly accurate into much smaller windows is the undeniable team leader and looks like an NFL QB. Other than those differences, they look alike. if he's there and the Jets pass they're idiots. whos the closest prospect when coming out that compares to Winston?
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Post by Conkboy on Jan 3, 2015 20:15:27 GMT -5
Other than Winston is bigger, stronger, has a much better arm, plays in bigger games, is deadly accurate into much smaller windows is the undeniable team leader and looks like an NFL QB. Other than those differences, they look alike. if he's there and the Jets pass they're idiots. whos the closest prospect when coming out that compares to Winston? Vince Young / Josh Freeman
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Post by DowNY on Jan 3, 2015 21:48:49 GMT -5
Other than Winston is bigger, stronger, has a much better arm, plays in bigger games, is deadly accurate into much smaller windows is the undeniable team leader and looks like an NFL QB. Other than those differences, they look alike. if he's there and the Jets pass they're idiots. whos the closest prospect when coming out that compares to Winston? Ben Rotheslobber
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Post by Conkboy on Jan 3, 2015 22:08:44 GMT -5
whos the closest prospect when coming out that compares to Winston? Ben Rotheslobber This is probably spot on... That is the best comparison from a tools perspective that I have heard thus far. However, I am not a fan of Winston and don't think he will have a successful career in the NFL.
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Post by mogglez on Jan 3, 2015 22:27:03 GMT -5
whos the closest prospect when coming out that compares to Winston? Vince Young / Josh Freeman This is wrong.
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Post by mogglez on Jan 3, 2015 22:27:16 GMT -5
whos the closest prospect when coming out that compares to Winston? Ben Rotheslobber This is right.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 4, 2015 9:04:30 GMT -5
whos the closest prospect when coming out that compares to Winston? Ben Rotheslobber Both on and, sadly, off the field.
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Post by ryu79 on Jan 4, 2015 9:12:48 GMT -5
Both on and, sadly, off the field. Yes and for better or worse, I have a feeling society will be much less forgiving of a Winston transgression vs. a 'Big Ben' one.... Would find it hard to root for either of them.
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Post by jett on Jan 4, 2015 9:54:11 GMT -5
Unlike everyone else it seems, I seem to like him more and more. No secret that Oregon had the better team and the better system. Mariota is a great college qb much like any other qb in a spread offense. The receivers are that much more open and it's that much easier to complete passes. That window will be significantly smaller in the NFL and jameis is much more equipped for it. Winston has better tools and played in a pro offense. His offense wasn't very good and it was very evident that Winston was doing everything, while injured, for this team. Hence a lot of turnovers but when you're playing from behind every game you're going to be throwing a lot trying to make plays. Marcus never suffered from this as his players were usually wide open. His offense was exceptional and fast paced. I think Winston is by far the better prospect and the sole reason we should draft him is not because I think he is a franchise QB, which he could be and also Marcus, but for the sole reason he is better than Geno.
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Post by Lithfan on Jan 4, 2015 10:11:22 GMT -5
This is probably spot on... That is the best comparison from a tools perspective that I have heard thus far. However, I am not a fan of Winston and don't think he will have a successful career in the NFL. Rob Rang of CBS Sports agrees -- just saw this from him -- written before the FSU-Oregon game: www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24925302/nfl-draft-mariota-vs-winston-a-unique-scouting-opportunity"Whereas Mariota reminds me of Kaepernick, Winston is most like Pittsburgh Steelers' star Ben Roethlisberger. Winston senses pressure around him and moves to avoid it but like "Big Ben," he shows incredible strength and balance to deliver passes even with defenders hanging on. While Winston has faced a plethora of talented edge rushers, most have been smaller, speedier defenders. But Armstead and Buckner check in at 6-7, 296 pounds and 6-6, 286. ..
On paper, Mariota is the more accurate passer. But videotape shows Winston has better ball placement on challenging intermediate and deep routes each quarterback will have to make in the NFL. While Winston's 17 interceptions are disconcerting, the redshirt sophomore's willingness to test tight windows and experience taking snaps from under center means his learning curve at the next level shouldn't be as steep as Mariota's -- even though the reigning Heisman Trophy winner has a year more of experience at the collegiate level."
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Post by Trades on Jan 4, 2015 10:15:15 GMT -5
Unlike everyone else it seems, I seem to like him more and more. No secret that Oregon had the better team and the better system. Mariota is a great college qb much like any other qb in a spread offense. The receivers are that much more open and it's that much easier to complete passes. That window will be significantly smaller in the NFL and jameis is much more equipped for it. Winston has better tools and played in a pro offense. His offense wasn't very good and it was very evident that Winston was doing everything, while injured, for this team. Hence a lot of turnovers but when you're playing from behind every game you're going to be throwing a lot trying to make plays. Marcus never suffered from this as his players were usually wide open. His offense was exceptional and fast paced. I think Winston is by far the better prospect and the sole reason we should draft him is not because I think he is a franchise QB, which he could be and also Marcus, but for the sole reason he is better than Geno. Personally I think Winston and Mariota will drop this draft just like most QBs have been recently. I could be wrong and if the Ducks score in the championship game the way they did against FSU then I think he will be the top pick but I can easily see Winston dropping to us. It would be hard to pass on him. He is a pocket passer but he is mobile. Winston needs to hire a PR firm to help him clear up his image and someone to help him keep his nose clean because if he comes to NY he will be under a microscope. Playing here isn't like playing in Cleveland. That being said, I would obviously have to see who our GM, HC and OC are to determine if he would fit on the Jets. I think I would go for the top OT or WR and roll the dice with Geno and a FA or 2 if the choice were up to me. Neither one of those guys is Luck. Hell if Winston is there see if you can trade down a few spots.
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Post by sadface on Jan 4, 2015 10:48:50 GMT -5
reminds a bit of last year's bridgewater fiasco. he was always the best qb in the draft. the over-analysis killed his stock, and now the vikes are grinning Other than Winston is bigger, stronger, has a much better arm, plays in bigger games, is deadly accurate into much smaller windows is the undeniable team leader and looks like an NFL QB. Other than those differences, they look alike. if he's there and the Jets pass they're idiots. I never said they look alike. I said they were both over analysed. Bridgewater always looked like a #1 pick until his hands were measured. Similarly Winston has fallen for asinine reasons
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Post by ryu79 on Jan 4, 2015 10:55:50 GMT -5
He's a great talent, but I don't think the off field concerns on Famous are asinine. The guy was caught stealing on tape (he'd preordered by name for Christ's sake). He's been involved in a few questionable situations on campus (he's been absolved by campus investigations) that he should have the sense to stay miles away from (if you accept his innocence to begin with). In the age of Hernandez, caution is definitely sensible.
That doesn't mean you stay away, but only pick after you've done YOU'RE homework and have a plan in place on how to steward the kid.
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Post by sadface on Jan 4, 2015 11:11:25 GMT -5
He's a great talent, but I don't think the off field concerns on Famous are asinine. The guy was caught stealing on tape (he'd preordered by name for Christ's sake). He's been involved in a few questionable situations on campus (he's been absolved by campus investigations) that he should have the sense to stay miles away from (if you accept his innocence to begin with). In the age of Hernandez, caution is definitely sensible. That doesn't mean you stay away, but only pick after you've done YOU'RE homework and have a plan in place on how to steward the kid. I agree. Asinine wasn't the right word to lump the reasons as, but the asinine reason I was most referring to was the rise of mariotta. You don't take Marriotta over him just because of their characters. You take one over the other because of the skills. IMO, Winston's skills are far superior and I don't trust Marcus as a prospect at all
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Post by sadface on Jan 4, 2015 11:12:28 GMT -5
If the character still scares you too much, you take neither.
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