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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 1, 2017 11:40:25 GMT -5
Already having Wilkerson, Leo Williams and Richardson I could just see the Jets luck in having other top guys snatched just before they pick (Adams, Fournette, etc.) and be staring at a BPA situation with Jonathan Allen on the Board. At this point I'd hope the Jets could hold the pick hostage and get someone to trade up for him, but what if that's not possible?
Would you take Allen at #6?
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Post by Paradis on Apr 1, 2017 11:50:25 GMT -5
Already having Wilkerson, Leo Williams and Richardson I could just see the Jets luck in having other top guys snatched just before they pick (Adams, Fournette, etc.) and be staring at a BPA situation with Jonathan Allen on the Board. At this point I'd hope the Jets could hold the pick hostage and get someone to trade up for him, but what if that's not possible? Would you take Allen at #6? #redundancy! ....What did drafting Wilkerson, Coples, Richardson, and Williams do for a our pass rush?... Did adding Williams dramatically change the way we were able to get after a QB? Would DAL drafting McCaffrey double their rushing yards? Also, Allen had some injuries woes surface. It's not a lock that he gets selected in the top 6. Still probable though. I'd hope they'd find a trade partner. |
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 1, 2017 11:57:55 GMT -5
Already having Wilkerson, Leo Williams and Richardson I could just see the Jets luck in having other top guys snatched just before they pick (Adams, Fournette, etc.) and be staring at a BPA situation with Jonathan Allen on the Board. At this point I'd hope the Jets could hold the pick hostage and get someone to trade up for him, but what if that's not possible? Would you take Allen at #6? #redundancy! ....What did drafting Wilkerson, Coples, Richardson, and Williams do for a our pass rush?... Did adding Williams dramatically change the way we were able to get after a QB? Would DAL drafting McCaffrey double their rushing yards? Also, Allen had some injuries woes surface. It's not a lock that he gets selected in the top 6. Still probable though. I'd hope they'd find a trade partner. I agree. You also typed a lot of words but I'm not sure you answered the question.  What if the Jets can't trade down and it's Allen there at 6 as BPA? Do you take him or pass? |
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 1, 2017 12:02:11 GMT -5
What if the Jets can't trade down and it's Allen there at 6 as BPA? Do you take him or pass? Fuck BPA. I would pass. I want the guy who is going to improve my roster the most. There will be good options at 6 -- Hooker, Adams, Williams, Cook, Howard, Fournette, etc. I would take any of those guys ahead of Allen an at least 2, likely 3 or 4 of them will still be on the board. |
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Post by Gunnails on Apr 1, 2017 12:05:48 GMT -5
I would try like hell to trade out of the 6th if this happened, but if I couldn't I would pass on Allen for a player arguably as good at a position of need.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 1, 2017 12:12:54 GMT -5
Fuck no I'm not drafting him. He's not going to be a 10+ sack guy at the next level. We have zero need for him, and those shoulders worry me. I would shit on Mac's desk if we drafted him.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 1, 2017 12:34:20 GMT -5
#redundancy! ....What did drafting Wilkerson, Coples, Richardson, and Williams do for a our pass rush?... Did adding Williams dramatically change the way we were able to get after a QB? Would DAL drafting McCaffrey double their rushing yards? Also, Allen had some injuries woes surface. It's not a lock that he gets selected in the top 6. Still probable though. I'd hope they'd find a trade partner. I agree. You also typed a lot of words but I'm not sure you answered the question. What if the Jets can't trade down and it's Allen there at 6 as BPA? Do you take him or pass? Pass for sure. I'm taking RB/WR/TE and running to the bar asap |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 12:35:59 GMT -5
What if the Jets can't trade down and it's Allen there at 6 as BPA? Do you take him or pass? Fuck BPA. I would pass. I want the guy who is going to improve my roster the most. There will be good options at 6 -- Hooker, Adams, Williams, Cook, Howard, Fournette, etc. I would take any of those guys ahead of Allen an at least 2, likely 3 or 4 of them will still be on the board. And it needs a lot of improving. |
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Post by ruby2 on Apr 1, 2017 20:50:11 GMT -5
We are stuck in no mans land yet again. Hell no to Allen.
Also, not to kill the pick because Leo is great, but we should have took Beasley.
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Post by peppep on Apr 3, 2017 9:15:56 GMT -5
but we should have took Beasley. I disagree. Jets need a pass rusher off the edge and Beasley had a fantastic breakout season. So I can understand why its easy to say that. But the reality is that Leo can be the foundation/anchor of a D-line for years. He can play all 3 downs, he is not a liability vs. the run, he can collapse the pocket and put pressure on the QB, he's athletic enough to chase RBs down. He is the better, more versatile player. Period. I believe he will make more of an impact year in year out over a long period of time than Beasley will. Lest we forget that Beasley had I believe only 3 sacks in his rookie campaign. I believe he played all 16 games too. He is not a guy that plays all 3 downs. He is not the anchor of the defense. He can be a liability against the run at times. He is purely a pass rusher right now and I don't see him repeating the numbers he put up year in, year out. I know he had a fantastic season and got a ton of sacks, but he is not Von Miller. Not yet. So regardless of what the Jets may need right now, Leo was still the right pick. I believe he will be the better player for a longer period of time. |
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Post by peppep on Apr 3, 2017 9:23:46 GMT -5
Clearly a trade down scenario would be preferable, but I don't think the Jets will take Allen if they are not ale to find a trade partner.
At 6 this is not really 'no man's land'. No matter how you line up the top 5, the Jets should be able to get a very talented, impact player at 6. I believe worst case scenario is that the Jets have their pick of QBs, don't intend to take a QB, and can't find a trade partner. But even then, they should be able to get their pick of CBs or a guy like OJ Howard.
Personally, this is how I see the top 5 playing out.
1. CLE: Garrett
2. SF: S.Thomas
3. CHI: Allen
4. Jax: Fournette
5. Tenn: Adams
It's hard to see these teams passing n these prospects. Anything can happen, of course, and a QB may go to CHI or SF. But if these were the top 5 picks, IMO, that is the best talent and the top players in the draft getting taken top 5, which makes sense.
So, at 6 that leaves the Jets with a top QB or trade down with another team that want one for those QBs (Browns anyone?). It leaves them with their choice of CB. It leaves them with OJ Howard or their choice of WR. And it leaves them with the player I believe they will end up selecting- Hooker.
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Post by ruby2 on Apr 3, 2017 11:24:01 GMT -5
but we should have took Beasley. I disagree. Jets need a pass rusher off the edge and Beasley had a fantastic breakout season. So I can understand why its easy to say that. But the reality is that Leo can be the foundation/anchor of a D-line for years. He can play all 3 downs, he is not a liability vs. the run, he can collapse the pocket and put pressure on the QB, he's athletic enough to chase RBs down. He is the better, more versatile player. Period. I believe he will make more of an impact year in year out over a long period of time than Beasley will. Lest we forget that Beasley had I believe only 3 sacks in his rookie campaign. I believe he played all 16 games too. He is not a guy that plays all 3 downs. He is not the anchor of the defense. He can be a liability against the run at times. He is purely a pass rusher right now and I don't see him repeating the numbers he put up year in, year out. I know he had a fantastic season and got a ton of sacks, but he is not Von Miller. Not yet. So regardless of what the Jets may need right now, Leo was still the right pick. I believe he will be the better player for a longer period of time. Perfectly reasonable and well thought out post, I just disagree with an interior lineman or DE having the same impact as an edge guy who will have double digit sacks every single season, unless you are drafting Peppers or Watt, etc. |
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Post by ruby2 on Apr 3, 2017 11:24:54 GMT -5
I disagree. Jets need a pass rusher off the edge and Beasley had a fantastic breakout season. So I can understand why its easy to say that. But the reality is that Leo can be the foundation/anchor of a D-line for years. He can play all 3 downs, he is not a liability vs. the run, he can collapse the pocket and put pressure on the QB, he's athletic enough to chase RBs down. He is the better, more versatile player. Period. I believe he will make more of an impact year in year out over a long period of time than Beasley will. Lest we forget that Beasley had I believe only 3 sacks in his rookie campaign. I believe he played all 16 games too. He is not a guy that plays all 3 downs. He is not the anchor of the defense. He can be a liability against the run at times. He is purely a pass rusher right now and I don't see him repeating the numbers he put up year in, year out. I know he had a fantastic season and got a ton of sacks, but he is not Von Miller. Not yet. So regardless of what the Jets may need right now, Leo was still the right pick. I believe he will be the better player for a longer period of time. Perfectly reasonable and well thought out post, I just disagree with an interior lineman or DE having the same impact as an edge guy who will have double digit sacks every single season, unless you are drafting Peppers or Watt, etc. Not to mention we haven't had an impact full edge rusher in about 15 years! |
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Post by Stark on Apr 3, 2017 12:17:00 GMT -5
Already having Wilkerson, Leo Williams and Richardson I could just see the Jets luck in having other top guys snatched just before they pick (Adams, Fournette, etc.) and be staring at a BPA situation with Jonathan Allen on the Board. At this point I'd hope the Jets could hold the pick hostage and get someone to trade up for him, but what if that's not possible? Would you take Allen at #6? I would like to see who else is there at 6, in this scenario. Without seeing that, I am saying No I would not draft Allen. We can't figure out how to use our other 3 first round picks on the D-line. I have no faith that adding a 4th 1st round pick on the same unit changes any outcome on the field. Pass on Allen at 6 |
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