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Post by ftljetfan on Jan 6, 2015 13:15:52 GMT -5
Good point about Quinn as it is concerning, hopefully Bowels does well today. I remember when Bowels was the interim HC of the Dolphins the players responded well to him and he seemed to breathe some life into the team as there was an improvement on offense, defense, and special teams. Granted it was for only 3 games but the diffrence in the team was definitely noticeable. The players and local media homers were all for him getting the HC job.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Jan 6, 2015 13:46:56 GMT -5
Good point about Quinn as it is concerning, hopefully Bowles does well today. I remember when Bowles was the interim HC of the Dolphins the players responded well to him and he seemed to breathe some life into the team as there was an improvement on offense, defense, and special teams. Granted it was for only 3 games but the diffrence in the team was definitely noticeable. The players and local media homers were all for him getting the HC job. I thought Bowles was coming in tomorrow? |
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Post by ftljetfan on Jan 6, 2015 15:12:16 GMT -5
Good point about Quinn as it is concerning, hopefully Bowles does well today. I remember when Bowles was the interim HC of the Dolphins the players responded well to him and he seemed to breathe some life into the team as there was an improvement on offense, defense, and special teams. Granted it was for only 3 games but the diffrence in the team was definitely noticeable. The players and local media homers were all for him getting the HC job. I thought Bowles was coming in tomorrow? You are right it is tomorrow, my bad. I am getting fucking antsy! |
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Post by jets.penguin on Jan 6, 2015 15:35:16 GMT -5
You make a great case. Kubiak's abilities as an offensive coordinator are very good. The running game was amazing with Foster and Tate in Houston and with Baltimore he developed a gameplan for Justin Forsett (who is nothing more than a scat back) to succeed as a lead back. My problem is on the defensive side of the ball and his questionable leadership abilities to motivate his team to win the big game. Houston had a pretty talented team under him...a top 5 defense, a great offense with multiple weapons...etc..yet they couldn't win the big game when it counted. He will also need a top notch defensive coordinator to come along with him, someone like Wade Phillips or Jim Shwartz. He would not be a bad choice but I would much rather go with Quinn, Bowles or Morrone. I don't know if you can say that. Maybe it was his leadership abilities, schemes and motivational skills that took below average talent on a team that had never won many games prior to his arrival and made them a playoff team several times with Matt Schaub at QB, buitl a pretty studly defense and even won a playoff game with Case Keenum... that's not bad. And who were the great players he had? It also was his first coaching experience and I'm sure he learned. As an example, Cleveland was BB's first coaching experience, didn't do so well, and then flourished when he got to NE. I don't know if he's the best guy or not, but I wouldn't jump to those conclusions so quick. thats what I was thinking...go figure my optimism |
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Post by jets.penguin on Jan 6, 2015 16:29:44 GMT -5
Good point about Quinn as it is concerning, hopefully Bowles does well today. I remember when Bowles was the interim HC of the Dolphins the players responded well to him and he seemed to breathe some life into the team as there was an improvement on offense, defense, and special teams. Granted it was for only 3 games but the diffrence in the team was definitely noticeable. The players and local media homers were all for him getting the HC job. Do you remember why he didnt get it? If he did reasonably well and the players and media loved him then what went wrong? |
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Post by ftljetfan on Jan 7, 2015 8:50:43 GMT -5
Good point about Quinn as it is concerning, hopefully Bowles does well today. I remember when Bowles was the interim HC of the Dolphins the players responded well to him and he seemed to breathe some life into the team as there was an improvement on offense, defense, and special teams. Granted it was for only 3 games but the diffrence in the team was definitely noticeable. The players and local media homers were all for him getting the HC job. Do you remember why he didnt get it? If he did reasonably well and the players and media loved him then what went wrong? It ended up coming down to 3 candidiates Bowels, Philbin, and, McCoy. They chose Philbin, Bowels was considered the frontrunner and had two interviews but apparently the FO wanted to clean house of the Tony S stink, the players were happ Tony was gone but most went on record of how much they liked Bowels. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jan 7, 2015 23:14:00 GMT -5
The thing that concerns me with Kubiak - was how SOFT those teams were in HOU when he was the HC. He doesn't have that problem in BAL because he has a nasty D and a culture built around that. If Kubiak were to be our coach - and I can see some of the positives - we'd really need to make sure we have a DC who can run a tough D. Yeah, they were like the Jets were before Rex got here. I remember LOL'ing when Rex came to town and said "if you hit one of ours...etc etc" and thought "The Jets???" hahahah. Anyway at first I was like, no way, now I might be able to be convinced. Some years the Texans were really pretty good, he seemed to have the same problem everyone else does - QB got injured. Not bad getting to the playoffs with the 3rd stringer, like Arians. |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jan 8, 2015 9:06:24 GMT -5
Kubiak is the kind of guy who just screams quality OC but average at best HC. He's got the Norv Turner syndrome. I wouldn't totally despise the move but I sure as hell wouldn't prefer him over Quinn, Marrone or Bowles. You can pretty much say this about any candidate who has coached somewhere else. Every candidate with HC experience is going to be able to be picked apart. Otherwise they wouldn't be on the market. And we've seen over and over again many of HCs with holes in their games go from mediocre at their first stop become really good at their second stop. Using one gig as the absolute guideline would have left many HCs unemployed or coordinators. |
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Post by morite on Jan 8, 2015 9:43:04 GMT -5
Kubiak is the kind of guy who just screams quality OC but average at best HC. He's got the Norv Turner syndrome. I wouldn't totally despise the move but I sure as hell wouldn't prefer him over Quinn, Marrone or Bowles. You can pretty much say this about any candidate who has coached somewhere else. Every candidate with HC experience is going to be able to be picked apart. Otherwise they wouldn't be on the market. And we've seen over and over again many of HCs with holes in their games go from mediocre at their first stop become really good at their second stop. Using one gig as the absolute guideline would have left many HCs unemployed or coordinators.
I've always held hope that we can find someone that, combined with hitting the organization at the right time, can develop beyond his first or second go at it. While they have different personalities and styles, I compare a Rex to a Belidick, who maybe focused too much on his defensive prowess as HC of the Browns. That experience, combined with the NE opportunity, has obviously worked out for him. I don't think he's be the Belidick he is now with 3 rings if he didn't resign from the Jets. Rex has great potential to have the same type of success somewhere else (i.e. Atlanta), that he just couldn't have had here. Being let go makes many very reflective, which provides the opportunity to change/improve. Coughlin is another example.
if a Quinn or Bowles or Reich do not end up coming aboard, having a 2nd or 3rd time around HC (Marrone, Kubiak, maybe even a Mangini?) is not a bad option...just keep Sparano out of that conversation.
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