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Post by frostlich on Oct 28, 2017 14:41:14 GMT -5
Wait...do asylums have inmates, lunatics, or patients?
Why did they drag the hampur into this bullshit?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 15:06:01 GMT -5
This is ludicrous. It's a turn of a phrase that he fucked up. It's like when Trump called them "sons of bitches" and these jerkoffs tried to take it literally saying " he called my mother a BITCH!" Or calling someone a bastard, you don't actually mean they are progeny of unmarried parents. Or idiot or moron, you are not actually classifying them by specific levels of IQ. These jerkoffs are just looking for shit to bitch about. It's a stupid phrase that McCnair fucked up. Grow up. Next someone's going to say "are they out if their cotton picking minds?" and these idiots will equate that to slavery. Alright, maybe I went to far with that analogy. But you get my point. _ See, I don't think it is. The owner knew what he was saying. Let him take responsibility for it and move on (which I think he did). EVERYONE screws up at some point. As for Trump? Again, he may not have meant, literally, that they were bastards. But he did intentionally disparage them, which I think in this case is wrong. You disagree? Fine. But why go to that extreme? Give your argument. Rather than changing the dynamics of the issue, show us why the players are wrong.
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Post by JStokes on Oct 28, 2017 15:18:22 GMT -5
This is ludicrous. It's a turn of a phrase that he fucked up. It's like when Trump called them "sons of bitches" and these jerkoffs tried to take it literally saying " he called my mother a BITCH!" Or calling someone a bastard, you don't actually mean they are progeny of unmarried parents. Or idiot or moron, you are not actually classifying them by specific levels of IQ. These jerkoffs are just looking for shit to bitch about. It's a stupid phrase that McCnair fucked up. Grow up. Next someone's going to say "are they out if their cotton picking minds?" and these idiots will equate that to slavery. Alright, maybe I went to far with that analogy. But you get my point. _ See, I don't think it is. The owner knew what he was saying. Let him take responsibility for it and move on (which I think he did). EVERYONE screws up at some point. As for Trump? Again, he may not have meant, literally, that they were bastards. But he did intentionally disparage them, which I think in this case is wrong. You disagree? Fine. But why go to that extreme? Give your argument. Rather than changing the dynamics of the issue, show us why the players are wrong. He didn't call them bastards he called them SOBs. But Trump doesn't need to go into a long explanation of an idiotic issue that doesn't even exist-that Kaep made up and can't even explain himself. Trump just needs a sound bite and the NFL and ESPN are slammed. Like him or hate him, he's effective at doing what he's trying to accomplish. As for McNair, I think he honestly fucked your the phrase but even it it was intentional it's TRUE. The NFL is by far populated with the most criminals of s the major sports on a % basis. Oh now the Texans are trying to figure out how they are going to "protest" this latest travesty (lol). Maybe they should decide not to play for the slave master. And not take the pay checks. _
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Post by JStokes on Oct 28, 2017 15:19:16 GMT -5
This is ludicrous. It's a turn of a phrase that he fucked up. It's like when Trump called them "sons of bitches" and these jerkoffs tried to take it literally saying " he called my mother a BITCH!" Or calling someone a bastard, you don't actually mean they are progeny of unmarried parents. Or idiot or moron, you are not actually classifying them by specific levels of IQ. These jerkoffs are just looking for shit to bitch about. It's a stupid phrase that McCnair fucked up. Grow up. Next someone's going to say "are they out if their cotton picking minds?" and these idiots will equate that to slavery. Alright, maybe I went to far with that analogy. But you get my point. _ See, I don't think it is. The owner knew what he was saying. Let him take responsibility for it and move on (which I think he did). EVERYONE screws up at some point. As for Trump? Again, he may not have meant, literally, that they were bastards. But he did intentionally disparage them, which I think in this case is wrong. You disagree? Fine. But why go to that extreme? Give your argument. Rather than changing the dynamics of the issue, show us why the players are wrong. Btw Trump definitely meant to disparage them and I'm genuinely happy he did. _
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 16:19:58 GMT -5
See, I don't think it is. The owner knew what he was saying. Let him take responsibility for it and move on (which I think he did). EVERYONE screws up at some point. As for Trump? Again, he may not have meant, literally, that they were bastards. But he did intentionally disparage them, which I think in this case is wrong. You disagree? Fine. But why go to that extreme? Give your argument. Rather than changing the dynamics of the issue, show us why the players are wrong. Btw Trump definitely meant to disparage them and I'm genuinely happy he did. _ Sorry, went down to finish my dough and other prep for Sicilian pizza tonight. Your post the other day inspired me. Guess I'm not sure why you're so happy about this. Trump changed the argument. It was never about the flag, or anthem, or the military. Just about perceived abuses by the police. Not "white" police, but police in general, as several of these shootings were by non-white officers. No player pissed on the flag or burned it, which as you know is still protected in America. They just kneeled. What's the big fucking deal? Having gone through the 60s, we've seen much more reactionary, if not entirely disrespectful and violent, protests. He didn't have the intellect or aplomb to contribute to the argument so he changed the parameters. I wish he had that amount of passion and vociferous effort against the insect white supremacists in Charlottesville. But sadly, he could not muster up such courage to denounce pieces of shit chanting blood and soil/Jews will not replace us on American soil. Just against football players. Talk about desecrating the flag and the memories of all the brave military men and women who fought and/or died in WWII against scumbag Nazis.
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Post by JStokes on Oct 28, 2017 16:25:52 GMT -5
Btw Trump definitely meant to disparage them and I'm genuinely happy he did. _ Sorry, went down to finish my dough and other prep for Sicilian pizza tonight. Your post the other day inspired me. Guess I'm not sure why you're so happy about this. Trump changed the argument. It was never about the flag, or anthem, or the military. Just about perceived abuses by the police. Not "white" police, but police in general, as several of these shootings were by non-white officers. No player pissed on the flag or burned it, which as you know is still protected in America. They just kneeled. What's the big fucking deal? Having gone through the 60s, we've seen much more reactionary, if not entirely disrespectful and violent, protests. He didn't have the intellect or aplomb to contribute to the argument so he changed the parameters. I wish he had that amount of passion and vociferous effort against the insect white supremacists in Charlottesville. But sadly, he could not muster up such courage to denounce pieces of shit chanting blood and soil/Jews will not replace us on American soil. Just against Apple pie players. Talk about desecrating the flag and the memories of all the brave military men and Apple pie who fought and/or died in WWII against scumbag Nazis. Out to dinner. Will respond tomorrow. _
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 16:27:51 GMT -5
Sorry, went down to finish my dough and other prep for Sicilian pizza tonight. Your post the other day inspired me. Guess I'm not sure why you're so happy about this. Trump changed the argument. It was never about the flag, or anthem, or the military. Just about perceived abuses by the police. Not "white" police, but police in general, as several of these shootings were by non-white officers. No player pissed on the flag or burned it, which as you know is still protected in America. They just kneeled. What's the big fucking deal? Having gone through the 60s, we've seen much more reactionary, if not entirely disrespectful and violent, protests. He didn't have the intellect or aplomb to contribute to the argument so he changed the parameters. I wish he had that amount of passion and vociferous effort against the insect white supremacists in Charlottesville. But sadly, he could not muster up such courage to denounce pieces of shit chanting blood and soil/Jews will not replace us on American soil. Just against Apple pie players. Talk about desecrating the flag and the memories of all the brave military men and Apple pie who fought and/or died in WWII against scumbag Nazis. Out to dinner. Will respond tomorrow. _ Forget it, dude. It's a waste of time and energy. Enjoy dinner. and time with your family.
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Post by cgjet on Oct 29, 2017 9:15:43 GMT -5
Ok, I don't want to come on as a defender of the guy, but I don't think he meant it the way it was interpreted by some players. It seems like you can't say anything w/o it being twisted that you are a racist, misogynist or a fascist. You kind of get tired of all the crybabies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 9:38:18 GMT -5
Ok, I don't want to come on as a defender of the guy, but I don't think he meant it the way it was interpreted by some players. It seems like you can't say anything w/o it being twisted that you are a racist, misogynist or a fascist. You kind of get tired of all the crybabies. Problem is that he's said stuff like this before. Texans tackle Duane Brown was upset when he saw owner Bob McNair’s remark that “[w]e can’t have the inmates running the prison.” But Brown wasn’t surprised, because it wasn’t the first time Brown believed he had witnessed McNair making curious word choices on matters of significant sensitivity and potential controversy.
During a Saturday morning phone interview with PFT, Brown recalled an occasion during his rookie year of 2008, when Barack Obama was elected the nation’s first African-American president.
“He came to talk to the team,” Brown said regarding the owner. “He was visibly upset about it. He said, ‘I know a lot of y’all are happy right now, but it’s not the outcome that some of us were looking for.’ That was very shocking to me.”
Brown added that McNair also addressed the team after the scandal that forced Donald Sterling to sell the L.A. Clippers, when racist remarks Sterling made in private became very public.
“The message was more to be careful who you have private conversations with, because things that you think are confidential can spread like wildfire,” Brown said. “In my mind, it would probably have been better if he said ‘don’t be a racist’ instead of ‘be a racist in private and make sure it doesn’t get out.'”
Brown’s reference to Sterling comes at a time when some league insiders are wondering whether McNair ultimately may have to sell the Texans. I asked Brown if he thinks it would ever come to that.
“I’m not sure, man,” Brown said. “In the climate we’re in right now, I’m not sure what could happen.”
It’s unclear where Brown’s relationship with the Texans and McNair will go from here. Previously, however, the Brown-McNair relationship wasn’t great, apart from the player’s holdout.
“I protested [during the national anthem] last year, and there was no backing of my character as a man as a leader or a player,” Brown said. “There was nothing said by [McNair] or the organization to back me at all. They just kind of sent me to the wolves.”
Brown said that, after the protest, McNair “didn’t have anything to say to me.”
The Texans had no comment on the quotes attributed by Brown to McNair.
Although Brown can (and will) be accused of having an axe to grind because of a lengthy holdout that resulted not in a new contract but in Brown showing up this week under the terms of his prior deal, he publicly said nothing about his situation while he was away from the team, and he did nothing to agitate for a trade or a release. There were no shirtless driveway situps, no “next question” press conferences, no inflammatory comments about the quarterback situation or anything else relating to the team.
While Brown suddenly has become very vocal with his criticism of McNair, it happened in direct response to the publication of McNair’s words, which upset plenty of other players. Indeed, as Brown stayed on Friday, two of his teammates (DeAndre Hopkins and D'Onta Foreman) left.
sports.yahoo.com/duane-brown-recalls-other-quotes-182929425.html
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Post by 32Green on Oct 29, 2017 11:08:11 GMT -5
Perhaps he doesnt associate "inmates" with African Americans at all...and hence his ease in using the expression (albeit a mixed up version of it)? Is he more of a racist than the rat that instantly made the association..then ran out of the meeting and revealed this, knowing people WOULD be offended..
The day the story broke, I heard a caller into the Tiki and Tierney show, an African American cop who has worked around the team and the owner for decades state that the guy was as solid a guy as there was, without a racist bone in his body. He was very upset the guy was portrayed this way. He was thanked for his call...then the hosts both went on to say this was only one guys opinion, so they were going to reserve judgement on whether the owner was a racist. What would their reactions have been had he stated the guy WAS a racist?
I think we know.
Fucking pandering, cowardly dooshbags.
Americans are getting tired of crybaby, attention-seeking grievance-whores...hence the NFL in a tailspin as fans bail out.
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Post by DDNYjets on Oct 29, 2017 11:14:20 GMT -5
Ok, I don't want to come on as a defender of the guy, but I don't think he meant it the way it was interpreted by some players. It seems like you can't say anything w/o it being twisted that you are a racist, misogynist or a fascist. You kind of get tired of all the crybabies. Problem is that he's said stuff like this before. Texans tackle Duane Brown was upset when he saw owner Bob McNair’s remark that “[w]e can’t have the inmates running the prison.” But Brown wasn’t surprised, because it wasn’t the first time Brown believed he had witnessed McNair making curious word choices on matters of significant sensitivity and potential controversy.
During a Saturday morning phone interview with PFT, Brown recalled an occasion during his rookie year of 2008, when Barack Obama was elected the nation’s first African-American president.
“He came to talk to the team,” Brown said regarding the owner. “He was visibly upset about it. He said, ‘I know a lot of y’all are happy right now, but it’s not the outcome that some of us were looking for.’ That was very shocking to me.”
Brown added that McNair also addressed the team after the scandal that forced Donald Sterling to sell the L.A. Clippers, when racist remarks Sterling made in private became very public.
“The message was more to be careful who you have private conversations with, because things that you think are confidential can spread like wildfire,” Brown said. “In my mind, it would probably have been better if he said ‘don’t be a racist’ instead of ‘be a racist in private and make sure it doesn’t get out.'”
Brown’s reference to Sterling comes at a time when some league insiders are wondering whether McNair ultimately may have to sell the Texans. I asked Brown if he thinks it would ever come to that.
First one is political preference. He allowed him to visit the team which says more than any interpretation. As for the second, how is that any different than Chris Carter telling them to make sure they have a fall guy? Maybe he assumes his players arent racists so no need to tell them not to be? dunno
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 11:21:54 GMT -5
Perhaps he doesnt associate "inmates" with African Americans at all...and hence his ease in using the expression (albeit a mixed up version of it)? Is he more of a racist than the rat that instantly made the association..then ran out of the meeting and revealed this, knowing people WOULD be offended.. The day the story broke, I heard a caller into the Tiki and Tierney show, an African American cop who has worked around the team and the owner for decades state that the guy was as solid a guy as there was, without a racist bone in his body. He was very upset the guy was portrayed this way. He was thanked for his call...then the hosts both went on to say this was only one guys opinion, so they were going to reserve judgement on whether the owner was a racist. What would their reactions have been had he stated the guy WAS a racist? I think we know. Fucking pandering, cowardly dooshbags. Americans are getting tired of crybaby, attention-seeking grievance-whores...hence the NFL in a tailspin as fans bail out. Do you feel this way when PBA Chief Lynch goes off? Mounts protests? See the cops as "crybabies"? And I would argue that in this specific case they have "sought attention" because so many black men were being shot. All they have done was mount a protest. A brief (length of the National Anthem) non-violent one at that.
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Post by DDNYjets on Oct 29, 2017 11:29:05 GMT -5
Perhaps he doesnt associate "inmates" with African Americans at all...and hence his ease in using the expression (albeit a mixed up version of it)? Is he more of a racist than the rat that instantly made the association..then ran out of the meeting and revealed this, knowing people WOULD be offended.. The day the story broke, I heard a caller into the Tiki and Tierney show, an African American cop who has worked around the team and the owner for decades state that the guy was as solid a guy as there was, without a racist bone in his body. He was very upset the guy was portrayed this way. He was thanked for his call...then the hosts both went on to say this was only one guys opinion, so they were going to reserve judgement on whether the owner was a racist. What would their reactions have been had he stated the guy WAS a racist? I think we know. Fucking pandering, cowardly dooshbags. Americans are getting tired of crybaby, attention-seeking grievance-whores...hence the NFL in a tailspin as fans bail out. Do you feel this way when PBA Chief Lynch goes off? Mounts protests? See the cops as "crybabies"? And I would argue that in this specific case they have "sought attention" because so many black men were being shot. All they have done was mount a protest. A brief (length of the National Anthem) non-violent one at that. So so many. Truly an epidemic and a civil rights issue. Too bad the finger is being pointed where a minuscule fraction of the problem exists.
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Post by JStokes on Oct 29, 2017 11:45:07 GMT -5
Btw Trump definitely meant to disparage them and I'm genuinely happy he did. _ Sorry, went down to finish my dough and other prep for Sicilian pizza tonight. Your post the other day inspired me. Guess I'm not sure why you're so happy about this. Trump changed the argument. It was never about the flag, or anthem, or the military. Just about perceived abuses by the police. Not "white" police, but police in general, as several of these shootings were by non-white officers. No player pissed on the flag or burned it, which as you know is still protected in America. They just kneeled. What's the big fucking deal? Having gone through the 60s, we've seen much more reactionary, if not entirely disrespectful and violent, protests. He didn't have the intellect or aplomb to contribute to the argument so he changed the parameters. I wish he had that amount of passion and vociferous effort against the insect white supremacists in Charlottesville. But sadly, he could not muster up such courage to denounce pieces of shit chanting blood and soil/Jews will not replace us on American soil. Just against Apple pie players. Talk about desecrating the flag and the memories of all the brave military men and Apple pie who fought and/or died in WWII against scumbag Nazis. Ok this is YOUR interpretation. Kaep never clarified what his "issue" was even when given the chance. I still don't think he knows what his original position was. The rest of these aren't taking a knee because of cops shooting unarmed black men, they are taking a knee because they hate Trump and are using the guise of "systematic racism" against all blacks in this country. You know, the same "systematic racism" that existed for EIGHT YEARS during a black presidency yet apparently it wasn't bad enough for multi-millionaires to protest against. Ferguson didn't happen on Trump's watch, it happened on Obama's watch. It's only now that they hate this guy so much that, like dumb fuck sheep, they are driven to "protest". How about some of these black multimillionaires spend some of their money on schools and inner city programs and infrastructure to help out the down trodden. Or just sit on their $10,000 sofas and drink Crystal and not really give a shit. Oh and one other thing, I was taught to stand at attention, , hat off, hand over heart and sing the National Anthem. But standing silently works as well. In my humble opinion, anything short of standing silently when the flag is raised and the Anthem is being played is pissing or shitting on the flag. That's just me. And again I'm happy Trump is calling out these low IQ fraudulent shitbags. Somebody needs to. _
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Post by 32Green on Oct 29, 2017 11:49:12 GMT -5
Perhaps he doesnt associate "inmates" with African Americans at all...and hence his ease in using the expression (albeit a mixed up version of it)? Is he more of a racist than the rat that instantly made the association..then ran out of the meeting and revealed this, knowing people WOULD be offended.. The day the story broke, I heard a caller into the Tiki and Tierney show, an African American cop who has worked around the team and the owner for decades state that the guy was as solid a guy as there was, without a racist bone in his body. He was very upset the guy was portrayed this way. He was thanked for his call...then the hosts both went on to say this was only one guys opinion, so they were going to reserve judgement on whether the owner was a racist. What would their reactions have been had he stated the guy WAS a racist? I think we know. Fucking pandering, cowardly dooshbags. Americans are getting tired of crybaby, attention-seeking grievance-whores...hence the NFL in a tailspin as fans bail out. Do you feel this way when PBA Chief Lynch goes off? Mounts protests? See the cops as "crybabies"? And I would argue that in this specific case they have "sought attention" because so many black men were being shot. All they have done was mount a protest. A brief (length of the National Anthem) non-violent one at that. If a cop goes into work carrying a sign complaining about something, he will be disciplined. He has to do it on his own time. Protests are done off-duty. The players have the same right...yet they choose to do it while being paid in the company uniform, against NFL Bylaws, which the owners are too cowardly to enforce. Your example is simply not comparable. Friend, you have bought the false narrative. Below you will find a brief synopsis why the "black men being shot" is utter nonsense. If the fact that Colin K, the instigator of this whole charade, appeared on the practice field wearing socks depicting cops as pigs should have clued you in. Most informed, unbiased people know that this whole thing is based on falsehoods and rank exaggerations that mask the real truth; The real enemy of black folks are liberals, the Democratic machine and the racial arsonists whom all thrive on the continued dysfunction of the black community...and the cops are stuck in the middle. The flash-point whenever it goes bad...but no-one asks why are their still kids hanging on corners with no fathers in their home, angry, dependent on the state, conditioned victims destined to interact with the cops in a bad way. 50+ years of this. These players are tilting at windmills while the real reason their communities are a fucking disaster goes un-examined. www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler#Here are five key statistics you need to know about cops killing blacks. (Yes its from the Daily Wire, but its an accurate summation of a Heather McDonald piece. Look her up, a solid, unbiased, well respected journalist) 1. Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. The majority of these victims had a gun or "were armed or otherwise threatening the officer with potentially lethal force," according to Mac Donald in a speech at Hillsdale College. Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 13 percent of the population. But as Mac Donald writes in The Wall Street Journal, 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties. "Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force," writes MacDonald. MacDonald also pointed out in her Hillsdale speech that blacks "commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime" in New York City, even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population. "The black violent crime rate would actually predict that more than 26 percent of police victims would be black," MacDonald said. "Officer use of force will occur where the police interact most often with violent criminals, armed suspects, and those resisting arrest, and that is in black neighborhoods." 2. More whites and Hispanics die from police homicides than blacks. According to Mac Donald, 12 percent of white and Hispanic homicide deaths were due to police officers, while only four percent of black homicide deaths were the result of police officers. "If we’re going to have a 'Lives Matter' anti-police movement, it would be more appropriately named "White and Hispanic Lives Matter,'" said Mac Donald in her Hillsdale speech. 3. The Post's data does show that unarmed black men are more likely to die by the gun of a cop than an unarmed white man...but this does not tell the whole story. In August 2015, the ratio was seven-to-one of unarmed black men dying from police gunshots compared to unarmed white men; the ratio was six-to-one by the end of 2015. But Mac Donald points out in The Marshall Project that looking at the details of the actual incidents that occurred paints a different picture: The “unarmed” label is literally accurate, but it frequently fails to convey highly-charged policing situations. In a number of cases, if the victim ended up being unarmed, it was certainly not for lack of trying. At least five black victims had reportedly tried to grab the officer’s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment. Some were shot from an accidental discharge triggered by their own assault on the officer. And two individuals included in the Post’s “unarmed black victims” category were struck by stray bullets aimed at someone else in justified cop shootings. If the victims were not the intended targets, then racism could have played no role in their deaths. In one of those unintended cases, an undercover cop from the New York Police Department was conducting a gun sting in Mount Vernon, just north of New York City. One of the gun traffickers jumped into the cop’s car, stuck a pistol to his head, grabbed $2,400 and fled. The officer gave chase and opened fire after the thief again pointed his gun at him. Two of the officer’s bullets accidentally hit a 61-year-old bystander, killing him. That older man happened to be black, but his race had nothing to do with his tragic death. In the other collateral damage case, Virginia Beach, Virginia, officers approached a car parked at a convenience store that had a homicide suspect in the passenger seat. The suspect opened fire, sending a bullet through an officer’s shirt. The cops returned fire, killing their assailant as well as a woman in the driver’s seat. That woman entered the Post’s database without qualification as an “unarmed black victim” of police fire. Mac Donald examines a number of other instances, including unarmed black men in San Diego, CA and Prince George's County, MD attempting to reach for a gun in a police officer's holster. In the San Diego case, the unarmed black man actually "jumped the officer" and assaulted him, and the cop shot the man since he was "fearing for his life." MacDonald also notes that there was an instance in 2015 where "three officers were killed with their own guns, which the suspects had wrestled from them." 4. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene. 5. Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black. According to Mac Donald, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person. Despite the facts, the anti-police rhetoric of Black Lives Matter and their leftist sympathizers have resulted in what Mac Donald calls the "Ferguson Effect," as murders have spiked by 17 percent among the 50 biggest cities in the U.S. as a result of cops being more reluctant to police neighborhoods out of fear of being labeled as racists. Additionally, there have been over twice as many cops victimized by fatal shootings in the first three months of 2016. Anti-police rhetoric has deadly consequences.
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