|
Post by Hotman on Feb 15, 2018 22:03:09 GMT -5
We've discussed this. They are simply using the law of reciprocal forces. You know once the dyke springs a leak it doesn't stop. The goal isn't to get rid of ARs. I hear you. Slippery slope, dont show weakness. I dont have the answer, but how did this kid, with his history...legally buy a gun? I have no problem with the process being more difficult, more checks and waiting periods. I think the NRA can be strong...while recognizing this as well. How? Who the fuck knows. How do kids in Chicago... and Cali.... and NYC... and Irvington buy guns?
|
|
|
Post by Hotman on Feb 15, 2018 22:04:21 GMT -5
I hear you. Slippery slope, dont show weakness. I dont have the answer, but how did this kid, with his history...legally buy a gun? I have no problem with the process being more difficult, more checks and waiting periods. I think the NRA can be strong...while recognizing this as well. How? Who the fuck knows. I think if there was a bill proposed that just dealt with this single issue it would get tremendous support. Deny nutcases the ability to purchase a firearm. The problem is everything else they try to sneak in along with it. Registries, ambiguous descriptions of banned weapons, ammo bans, increased waiting periods, etc. Keep it simple, keep it honest. But this is Washington we are talking about. They dont care about people dying. Not the slightest bit. They only care about disarming to complete the takeover.
|
|
|
Post by 32Green on Feb 15, 2018 22:26:18 GMT -5
I hear you. Slippery slope, dont show weakness. I dont have the answer, but how did this kid, with his history...legally buy a gun? I have no problem with the process being more difficult, more checks and waiting periods. I think the NRA can be strong...while recognizing this as well. How? Who the fuck knows. How do kids in Chicago... and Cali.... and NYC... and Irvington buy guns? From dudes in the South who can legally buy 20 at a time..then bring them up north in the trunk of their cars to sell them on the street. Made many gun collars, never once a legal permit owner..never even knew what a NYS permit..or any other..looked like because I never saw one until I had to get one myself when I retired..and those with permits never drew our attention..or caused problems! Laws can be tightened up. Not denying anyone their rights, but there is room to tighten.
|
|
|
Post by BushytheLobster on Feb 15, 2018 22:36:44 GMT -5
The one thing you can say for sure and with complete confidence is that nothing will be done. And within three months there will be another mass school shooting. And again, nothing will change. If the American pubic hasn't been willing to demand change by now it never will.
|
|
|
Post by Hotman on Feb 15, 2018 22:55:50 GMT -5
The problem is not an AR15... WHY was nothing done before hand to stop it? There were warnings about this dude. Several of them. All ignored.
|
|
|
Post by Frank Reynolds on Feb 15, 2018 23:12:22 GMT -5
The problem is not an AR15... WHY was nothing done before hand to stop it? There were warnings about this dude. Several of them. All ignored. The root problem may not be the ar15, but it sure does allow the root problem to maximize damage. And the root problem sure does have easy access to these ar15's in pretty much every single one of these mass murders.
|
|
|
Post by Frank Reynolds on Feb 15, 2018 23:13:09 GMT -5
The one thing you can say for sure and with complete confidence is that nothing will be done. And within three months there will be another mass school shooting. And again, nothing will change. If the American pubic hasn't been willing to demand change by now it never will. We're just not praying enough. We need more thoughts and prayers.
|
|
|
Post by Jets Things on Feb 15, 2018 23:17:00 GMT -5
The one thing you can say for sure and with complete confidence is that nothing will be done. And within three months there will be another mass school shooting. And again, nothing will change. If the American pubic hasn't been willing to demand change by now it never will. We're just not praying enough. We need more thoughts and prayers.
|
|
|
Post by Frank Reynolds on Feb 15, 2018 23:20:10 GMT -5
We're just not praying enough. We need more thoughts and prayers. So true and it's fucking pathetic
|
|
|
Post by 32Green on Feb 15, 2018 23:44:57 GMT -5
So true and it's fucking pathetic Hey. In all fairness I never said I cared. And if I did..it..it..was "ironic".
|
|
|
Post by BEAC0NJET on Feb 16, 2018 2:20:18 GMT -5
Please then, regale us of your tragic upbringing in Beirut. Refer to Brooklyn's post. You all have your mind made up by what you've been fed. All the info is here in the thread. Dont bring me into this!
|
|
|
Post by BEAC0NJET on Feb 16, 2018 2:28:21 GMT -5
I hear you. Slippery slope, dont show weakness. I dont have the answer, but how did this kid, with his history...legally buy a gun? I have no problem with the process being more difficult, more checks and waiting periods. I think the NRA can be strong...while recognizing this as well. How? Who the fuck knows. I think if there was a bill proposed that just dealt with this single issue it would get tremendous support. Deny nutcases the ability to purchase a firearm. The problem is everything else they try to sneak in along with it. Registries, ambiguous descriptions of banned weapons, ammo bans, increased waiting periods, etc. Keep it simple, keep it honest. But this is Washington we are talking about. Yet the President, House and Senate pretty quietly approved and signed off on H.J. Res 40 w/in the last year which rolls back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun. The original rule added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database. Nice and simple, straight-forward - it required the Social Security Administration to send records of beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The measure would have affected about 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs, with the assumption that those might be high risk individuals for going off the deep end and being violent. Seems pretty reasonable. The problem is, the NRA, Disabilities Rights Groups AND the ACLU all were against the original legislation. That's a lot of big money at play on both sides of the aisle. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221To me, thats moving in the wrong direction.
|
|
|
Post by 32Green on Feb 16, 2018 7:37:25 GMT -5
I think if there was a bill proposed that just dealt with this single issue it would get tremendous support. Deny nutcases the ability to purchase a firearm. The problem is everything else they try to sneak in along with it. Registries, ambiguous descriptions of banned weapons, ammo bans, increased waiting periods, etc. Keep it simple, keep it honest. But this is Washington we are talking about. Yet the President, House and Senate pretty quietly approved and signed off on H.J. Res 40 w/in the last year which rolls back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun. The original rule added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database. Nice and simple, straight-forward - it required the Social Security Administration to send records of beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The measure would have affected about 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs, with the assumption that those might be high risk individuals for going off the deep end and being violent. Seems pretty reasonable. The problem is, the NRA, Disabilities Rights Groups AND the ACLU all were against the original legislation. That's a lot of big money at play on both sides of the aisle. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221To me, thats moving in the wrong direction. Good grief.
|
|
|
Post by DDNYjets on Feb 16, 2018 7:43:28 GMT -5
I think if there was a bill proposed that just dealt with this single issue it would get tremendous support. Deny nutcases the ability to purchase a firearm. The problem is everything else they try to sneak in along with it. Registries, ambiguous descriptions of banned weapons, ammo bans, increased waiting periods, etc. Keep it simple, keep it honest. But this is Washington we are talking about. Yet the President, House and Senate pretty quietly approved and signed off on H.J. Res 40 w/in the last year which rolls back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun. The original rule added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database. Nice and simple, straight-forward - it required the Social Security Administration to send records of beneficiaries with severe mental disabilities to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The measure would have affected about 75,000 people found mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs, with the assumption that those might be high risk individuals for going off the deep end and being violent. Seems pretty reasonable. The problem is, the NRA, Disabilities Rights Groups AND the ACLU all were against the original legislation. That's a lot of big money at play on both sides of the aisle. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221To me, thats moving in the wrong direction. This regulation, that he put in December, 2016 on his way out the door would have probably been challenged in court and lost, like many things he did with his pen and phone. This regulation targeted people who basically couldnt manage their own finances for themselves. What are the odds of these people buying a gun if they dont even have control of their own money? If anything is to be passed, it needs to be real. People with violent criminal records. We all know what the "scary" nutjobs look like and what they say. We need something that deals with them. Not the kids with Downs syndrome spitting up their oatmeal.
|
|
|
Post by Trades on Feb 16, 2018 9:58:28 GMT -5
I don't think there is an easy answer and sadly with the politicization of the IRS and FBI is anyone confident that a "people with mental health issues" provision wouldn't be turned as a political weapon by either party? I'm not. I think the article about people getting involved with their communities is spot on. I also think that if the current laws were enforced it would be a big help. There is no way that this kid or the one that shot up the school should have been able to pass a background check. The problem is there are too many holes in the system.
As one article said, all of the existing and proposed rules, laws and changes wouldn't have stopped any of these shootings. They are just feel good laws to say we "did something".
|
|