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Post by Frank Reynolds on Feb 19, 2018 21:30:17 GMT -5
Now they say he's going to Denver. Please go there Kirt. If denver is willing to waste all that money on him, he'd be stupid to go anywhere else. Please save us denver.
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Post by chrebet80 on Feb 19, 2018 22:24:03 GMT -5
I was thinking about this last week, when some people were saying Cousins would give the Jets a top-10 starting QB. So I tried to figure out where I'd rank him --and this is, of course, debatable, because I'm going to put some younger, less proven guys ahead of him by virtue of having a "higher ceiling." So here's who I'd put in front of him (in no particular order: Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Andrew Luck (assuming health), Marcus Mariota, Deshaun Watson, Derek Carr and Philip Rivers in the AFC, and Carson Wentz, Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Russell Wilson, and possibly Jimmy Garoppolo and Jared Goff in the NFC. If all of those guys are placed ahead of Cousins, that would put his rank at No. 18. Maybe Luck will never be healthy again, and maybe Mariota, Winston, Garoppolo and Goff won't reach their ceiling. If none of them do, then I'd have Cousins ranked no higher than No. 13. Since I believe Cousins' ceiling would be no higher than to be about the 12th-best QB in the league, I'd rather take my chances in drafting one and developing him. The 12th-best QB would be capable of winning a championship, but we'd have to build a pretty incredible team around him to get to that level. I don't think Cousins will be able to raise the level of his team anywhere near the way that, say, Rodgers and Wilson do theirs. Deshaun Watson has yet to play a 16 game season. Mariota has never thrown for 3500 yards in a season. Derek Carr has never thrown for 4000 yards in a season (with 2 amazing wrs) Cam Newton has never thrown for 4000 yards in a season. Andrew luck has never thrown for 4,000 yards in back to back seasons All of these guys have potential yes, but to say they are a better qb than cousins right now is silly to me. Also Brady, Brees, roethlisburger rivers are all on the decline and all will be retiring in the next few seasons. Cousins 3 years as a starter he ranked.... 2017: 12th in qbr with 93.9 and ranked 7th in passing yards with 4093. 8th in td passes with 27. 2016: 3rd in passing yards with 4917. 13th in passing tds with 25 and a qbr of 97.2 ranking 7th. 2015: 10th in passing yards with 4166. 29 tds ranking 12th with a qbr of 101.6 which ranked 5th best that year. He is definitely a top 10 qb Edit to add that the jets have only had 1 qb in franchise history to throw for 4000 yards and it was joe Namath in 67. We can add a qb who can throw for 4000 yards every season and you guys don't want him. Your all crazy.
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Post by jetitbe on Feb 19, 2018 22:46:23 GMT -5
I don't think they're all better than Cousins right now. But the upside of a Deshaun Watson, for instance, is pretty significant. He has a much higher ceiling than Cousins, who isn't likely to get any better than he is right now.
It's also part of the reason I'd rather draft a QB. We'd be getting a 21- or 22-year-old rather than a 30-year-old. No, he wouldn't be the "sure thing" that Cousins is, but, in my opinion, Cousins is closer to being a middle-of-the-pack starting QB in the NFL than an elite one. I realize he'd be an upgrade over what we've had, but I'd rather dare to aim for potential greatness than, in my opinion, settle for someone who is likely to be a middle-of-the-pack starting QB.
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Post by TheMo on Feb 19, 2018 23:10:11 GMT -5
I'd like everyone to remember how Drew Brees was seen going into NO. Dude was seen the same exact way and he only had one amazing season. That was with a prime LT as well! Take cousins build around him and all of sudden it looks nuts that he was allowed to get to FA. Name me two marquee players outside of cousins that was in Washington this year. I'll wait.
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Post by adpz on Feb 20, 2018 0:04:22 GMT -5
I am on the Cousins bus.
Your true franchise QBs can win SBs but it's silly to think that that's the only must-have ingredient. What have Brees or Rothlisberger or Aaron Rodgers done for the past 7 seasons? Not won anything. Let's add Philip Rivers in there and it's been a long time for Eli as well. Can Newton? Matt Ryan? None of the 'future' studs in Mariotta or Winston or Old Man Luck have done jack squat. And as exciting as Goff and Watson and Carr are - also haven't done anything. Teams win and lose games.
So in what looks to be a medium-ceiling QB class, what are the odds on the Jets hitting on the path to the promised land? So so low......
As others have stated, Cousins is a rare find these days, with plenty of good football ahead and an extremely solid track record behind - and signing him is just money. It's not 18 draft picks and it's not even going to be painful on the cap. And he's not a checkdown-charlie - he's capable of winning games. Five years from now he's Alex Smith at worst. STB.
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Post by mykepm on Feb 20, 2018 0:18:01 GMT -5
So I was watching a German porn awhile ago and it reminded me of the Jets. This guy was bangin a chick doggy style and then said something to her in German. I think he might have quoted Kirk Cousins and as he slid his cock in her ass he said "You like that!?!?". She looked back at him, smiled, and said "Ja, in da mushy". That's what the Jets are. In the mushy. I'm in the pro-Cousins camp, but I had no choice but to like this.
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Post by Trades on Feb 20, 2018 8:44:49 GMT -5
I remember everyone on JI worrying that we would get Brees in 2006. All the complaints. He isn't that good, just one good year, his shoulder is screwed, blah, blah, blah. What could the Jets have been if they had Brees for the past 10 years? I have NO confidence in the Jets picking the right rookie or bringing him up right. NONE!
The Jets have so much cap space they can front load a Cousins contract so it won't kill us for years, still pay some top Oline, WR or DLine FAs while keeping the top picks we have to fill the rest of the holes. Cousins is the smart move. He is a proven QB, if Washington ever had a D then he would have been a top playoffs QB. His WRs were average at best and his top TE was always hurt. I think if we get a top WR in FA like Robinson and pair him with Enunwa, Kearse, Anderson (if he isn't in jail) and Sefarian-Jenkins he will be just fine.
Think about this, Josh Fucking McClown looked good behind this line with these WRs. If FA and the draft translates to an improved OLine, a solid WR to pair with Enunwa, a better RB than Forte and the D even stays at the 2017 level I think we make the playoffs in 2018 with Cousins. He is a known player that you can build around and right now we have the money and picks to build. If we get a rookie QB by the time he is ready, knowing this coaching staff it will take 3-4 years minimum, we will be right where we are now.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Feb 20, 2018 9:30:16 GMT -5
Plus his name is Kirk. Fucking Kirk. Kirk Douglas! Captain Kirk! As opposed to guys named Baker, a couple guys named Josh, and a Sam? Cmon, Kirk is as good or better a name than those!
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Feb 20, 2018 9:31:50 GMT -5
^ cuz he will get killed out there. We have no supporting cast. Plus his name is Kirk. Fucking Kirk. Plus with the money and draft picks they have, if they sign Kirk, they could sign two good FA OL and draft another with a high pick, sign another WR, and be in business.
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Post by Jets Things on Feb 20, 2018 13:42:16 GMT -5
$60M in year one? Why not?!
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Post by DowNY on Feb 21, 2018 5:05:31 GMT -5
There's a reason why Bates remained QB coach while being promoted to OC. It's going to happen. Just pray we put the right weapons around him. We NEED a dynamic RB this year in the draft, early.
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Post by willis on Feb 21, 2018 9:45:55 GMT -5
Can't this team just Fucking Draft a QB at 6 and build around him or her? Now Tankathon has the JETS taking CB/FS Minkah Fitzpatrick with number 6, QB Mason Rudolph with number 37, and an OLB and Center with the next two picks. What the hell is going on?
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Post by Trades on Feb 21, 2018 16:23:00 GMT -5
Can't this team just Fucking Draft a QB at 6 and build around him or her? Now Tankathon has the JETS taking CB/FS Minkah Fitzpatrick with number 6, QB Mason Rudolph with number 37, and an OLB and Center with the next two picks. What the hell is going on? Its a mock draft. Means absolutely nothing.
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Post by Hotman on Feb 21, 2018 18:00:45 GMT -5
Now Tankathon has the JETS taking CB/FS Minkah Fitzpatrick with number 6, QB Mason Rudolph with number 37, and an OLB and Center with the next two picks. What the hell is going on? Its a mock draft. Means absolutely nothing. Prob exactly how it's gonna pan out. That sounds so jets it's not even funny
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Feb 21, 2018 20:21:52 GMT -5
Its a mock draft. Means absolutely nothing. Prob exactly how it's gonna pan out. That sounds so jets it's not even funny Some guy on NFL network has them taking Mayfield at 6. That poor silly bastard doesn’t know this franchise at all. Even if he is there (which he will be), Jets will make the dumb fuck pick and take D. Or some other non playmaking waste of a postions. Or a bust. Macc is the worst drafter in the NFL. Look at the pathetic roster he’s put together. So his big plan was to suck for 3 years and make a splash by overpaying dirk cousins? What happened to building through the draft? Not throwing the biggest overpriced contract in history to a 30 year old never was and never will be.
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