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Post by BEAC0NJET on Apr 29, 2018 19:27:04 GMT -5
Right off the bat I disagree that Darnold has a very high bust factor. I think, personally, skill and personality wise, he's the least likely to bust, i.e. highest floor, while others may potentially have a higher ceiling. Macc has traditionally eschewed OL in the higher rounds - not having a second rounder killed us there as a lot of OL talent went off the board between our 1st and 3rd round picks. I like the rest of the picks for the most part. Guys with good measurables and across the board hard working high character picks from what is being reported. Shepherd should be able to rotate in on DL, Herndon should step in and play right away assuming the knee has healed, which he says it has. Parry Nickerson could be Skrines eventual replacement as nickel CB, at a much cheaper price, and Cannon, the RB/Returner looks like hes shot out of a cannon on film. I give it a B/B+, good picks for where they were picking. Lack of a 2nd rounder hurt. I think youre crazy if you thought this team was going to be a real playoff contender overnight in '18. McCown will probably start the season, give way eventually to Darnold when ready. Next years FA and draft may well be where they improve the OL, and who know who shakes loose with camp cuts later on this summer? Overnight? What in the world are you talking about? Mac has been here 4 drafts now and they've been terrible two seasons running and they have far less talent than when that boob arrived. So don't even attempt a lame accusation like somehow I have unfair expectations. Three straight losing seasons is grounds for firing ANYONE. Overnight in terms of going from 5-11 in ‘17 to a legit playoff contender in ‘18. You specifically said Grade This Draft. You want to talk about Macs tenure here, that’s a whole other topic. They’re digging out of a hole (that they created). That doesn’t happen in one offseason but this team should be better than ‘17, and with $100m in cap room in ‘19, they can build around their new hopeful franchise QB over the next two years. If Sam winds up being a franchise QB, it’s an A. Right now, I maintain it’s a B/B+. Most experts gave this draft good to high ratings. Saying Darnold has a high bust factor is a ridiculous statement.
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 29, 2018 19:53:12 GMT -5
I'm really surprised someone hasn't already created this thread? Let's hear what you think. Were these picks addressing need or were they strictly BPA? Did the Jets get better in 2018? Or will this only benefit them years from now? As a result will the Jets win more games this season? I'll start out... I think this draft was barely acceptable on the part of Mac. Pretty much poor choices throughout? I think Sam Darnold has a very high bust factor. Mac then goes and takes a project DL? God I hate these constant projects our GM constantly reaches for? WHY in the world did he decide to deprive the offense of an OL? In 4 years it seems to me Mac doesn't give a shit about OL? How good can any of our skill players be with a crap OL in front of them? I also don't think any of these draftees will help the Jets win games in 2018. In other words this draft is quite similar to 2016. Mac didn't care about the season in front of him and as a result, with no rookie infusion, the Jets went 5-11. I think 2018 is another 5-11, maybe 4-12 team? The problems are many. The OL will be what makes this offense terrible. On defense, this DL is going to get pushed around and the entire front 7 is going to get gashed in the run game. All I can say is Mac couldn't care less about getting this team in the playoffs in 2018? He just doesn't seem to care? Like there's no consequence if the Jets finish 5-11 again. Does not sound like there is anything that you found acceptable at all. Anything you liked about the draft?
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Post by vin on Apr 29, 2018 20:57:02 GMT -5
Getting Sam Darnold gave the Jets an AUTOMATIC A+, Period.
Anything else they got after that....don't mean shit.
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Post by bxjetfan on Apr 29, 2018 21:56:03 GMT -5
Getting Sam Darnold gave the Jets an AUTOMATIC A+, Period. Anything else they got after that....don't mean shit. If he busts it will be the worst draft in Jets history. A 1 and three 2s, oof.
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Post by vin on Apr 29, 2018 22:08:22 GMT -5
Getting Sam Darnold gave the Jets an AUTOMATIC A+, Period. Anything else they got after that....don't mean shit. If he busts it will be the worst draft in Jets history. A 1 and three 2s, oof. Well we won't really know if he's a bust or not until 3 - 4 years down the line But as of right now? A+ NY fucking JETS.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Apr 29, 2018 22:09:10 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind, when looking at Macc and Co's drafting/signing this year, vs. the past few years, is that in this "rebuild/retool", they've focused a lot more on adding players with measurables that make you think, are they finally paying attention to advanced analytics? I think that could possibly be attributed to the ascension of Brian Heimerdinger? If so, that gives me some hope for the future.
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Post by bxjetfan on Apr 29, 2018 22:12:46 GMT -5
If he busts it will be the worst draft in Jets history. A 1 and three 2s, oof. Well we won't really know if he's a bust or not until 3 - 4 years down the line But as of right now? A+ NY fucking JETS. Yeah, I'm happy right now. I hope I'm still happy in 3-4 years. Otherwise I'm stealing Sadfaces avatar.
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Post by RobR on Apr 29, 2018 22:33:02 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind, when looking at Macc and Co's drafting/signing this year, vs. the past few years, is that in this "rebuild/retool", they've focused a lot more on adding players with measurables that make you think, are they finally paying attention to advanced analytics? I think that could possibly be attributed to the ascension of Brian Heimerdinger? If so, that gives me some hope for the future. I've mentioned this earlier but that is what I see in this draft class. They are finally focusing in on players that have the tape AND measurables for long term success. No more Burris type busts that were inevitable. Taking a long term stab at Macs draft record overall I see more of this class being around 3-4 years from now than any other class.
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Post by mainejet on Apr 30, 2018 3:25:04 GMT -5
I'm really surprised someone hasn't already created this thread? Let's hear what you think. Were these picks addressing need or were they strictly BPA? Did the Jets get better in 2018? Or will this only benefit them years from now? As a result will the Jets win more games this season? I'll start out... I think this draft was barely acceptable on the part of Mac. Pretty much poor choices throughout? I think Sam Darnold has a very high bust factor. Mac then goes and takes a project DL? God I hate these constant projects our GM constantly reaches for? WHY in the world did he decide to deprive the offense of an OL? In 4 years it seems to me Mac doesn't give a shit about OL? How good can any of our skill players be with a crap OL in front of them? I also don't think any of these draftees will help the Jets win games in 2018. In other words this draft is quite similar to 2016. Mac didn't care about the season in front of him and as a result, with no rookie infusion, the Jets went 5-11. I think 2018 is another 5-11, maybe 4-12 team? The problems are many. The OL will be what makes this offense terrible. On defense, this DL is going to get pushed around and the entire front 7 is going to get gashed in the run game. All I can say is Mac couldn't care less about getting this team in the playoffs in 2018? He just doesn't seem to care? Like there's no consequence if the Jets finish 5-11 again. Does not sound like there is anything that you found acceptable at all. Anything you liked about the draft? Well, I did like the Darnold pick I did want Mayfield myself truth be told. I didn't mind the Herndon pick. But totally passing over OL and edge rusher is totally irresponsible. God forbid they put Darnold in there he'll get murdered behind our shit OL.
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 30, 2018 7:02:20 GMT -5
Does not sound like there is anything that you found acceptable at all. Anything you liked about the draft? Well, I did like the Darnold pick I did want Mayfield myself truth be told. I didn't mind the Herndon pick. But totally passing over OL and edge rusher is totally irresponsible. God forbid they put Darnold in there he'll get murdered behind our shit OL. Fair enough. I agree on OL -- once we picked Darnold, nothing should have been more important tha putting him in a position to succeed. And that means building a quality OL. I think the OL will be improved from last year just because Winters is healthy and Long is an upgrade from Wesley Johnson. But even so, if everyone stays healthy, our line is still below average and if someone gets hurt, we are paper thin. As farr as edge, it is the biggest need ont he defense, but it is so rare to hit on an edge rusher beyond round 1. The Justin Houston's and Jared Allens are few and far between. Individually, I like the players we got. I think Shepherd can be a very good player. Parry Nickerson will allow us to move on from Skrine. Cannon late 6 can be a good return man. But aside from taking a flyer on an injury risk at TE, he did little to help out Darnold and that is my biggest concern. I just think Macc is still more scout than GM. Scouitng and selecting good players is not the same as building a team.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Apr 30, 2018 7:08:27 GMT -5
Well, I did like the Darnold pick I did want Mayfield myself truth be told. I didn't mind the Herndon pick. But totally passing over OL and edge rusher is totally irresponsible. God forbid they put Darnold in there he'll get murdered behind our shit OL. Fair enough. I agree on OL -- once we picked Darnold, nothing should have been more important tha putting him in a position to succeed. And that means building a quality OL. I think the OL will be improved from last year just because Winters is healthy and Long is an upgrade from Wesley Johnson. But even so, if everyone stays healthy, our line is still below average and if someone gets hurt, we are paper thin. As farr as edge, it is the biggest need ont he defense, but it is so rare to hit on an edge rusher beyond round 1. The Justin Houston's and Jared Allens are few and far between. Individually, I like the players we got. I think Shepherd can be a very good player. Parry Nickerson will allow us to move on from Skrine. Cannon late 6 can be a good return man. But aside from taking a flyer on an injury risk at TE, he did little to help out Darnold and that is my biggest concern. I just think Macc is still more scout than GM. Scouitng and selecting good players is not the same as building a team. Lith, what are they whining about at JN? They don’t like Darnold?
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Post by quantum on Apr 30, 2018 7:58:22 GMT -5
Coming into this, I always liked listening to Mike Mayock. and then I found his hit/miss ratio is out of whack, so while he sounded good.... meh. Darnold allegedly has ball security issues as well as a weird throwing motion. I don't like that we didn't get any OL picks.
But WTF do I know?
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 30, 2018 8:14:26 GMT -5
Fair enough. I agree on OL -- once we picked Darnold, nothing should have been more important tha putting him in a position to succeed. And that means building a quality OL. I think the OL will be improved from last year just because Winters is healthy and Long is an upgrade from Wesley Johnson. But even so, if everyone stays healthy, our line is still below average and if someone gets hurt, we are paper thin. As farr as edge, it is the biggest need ont he defense, but it is so rare to hit on an edge rusher beyond round 1. The Justin Houston's and Jared Allens are few and far between. Individually, I like the players we got. I think Shepherd can be a very good player. Parry Nickerson will allow us to move on from Skrine. Cannon late 6 can be a good return man. But aside from taking a flyer on an injury risk at TE, he did little to help out Darnold and that is my biggest concern. I just think Macc is still more scout than GM. Scouitng and selecting good players is not the same as building a team. Lith, what are they whining about at JN? They don’t like Darnold? Everything other than Darnold. They never heard of Nathan Shepherd so he must be a bad pick. Drafting DL in general. How can we not address edge or OL. Adding another corner. All these defensive guys. Bowles is running the drafts. Not drafting the specific guy they wanted. You name it. Someone is whining about it.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Apr 30, 2018 8:55:58 GMT -5
Lith, what are they whining about at JN? They don’t like Darnold? Everything other than Darnold. They never heard of Nathan Shepherd so he must be a bad pick. Drafting DL in general. How can we not address edge or OL. Adding another corner. All these defensive guys. Bowles is running the drafts. Not drafting the specific guy they wanted. You name it. Someone is whining about it. I hear ya. We are complaining about those things too here, but we are more funny about it I guess. :-)
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Post by Lithfan on Apr 30, 2018 9:45:20 GMT -5
Everything other than Darnold. They never heard of Nathan Shepherd so he must be a bad pick. Drafting DL in general. How can we not address edge or OL. Adding another corner. All these defensive guys. Bowles is running the drafts. Not drafting the specific guy they wanted. You name it. Someone is whining about it. I hear ya. We are complaining about those things too here, but we are more funny about it I guess. :-) Humor makes a big difference. And for the most part, you can disagree with someone on this site with being told you are a fucking moron for having a different opinion. To be fair, there are some pretty good, reasonable posters over there, unfortunately you have to sort through a lot of trash to find them.
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