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Post by mainejet on Jul 8, 2018 8:47:38 GMT -5
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Post by mainejet on Jul 8, 2018 9:06:22 GMT -5
We could debate who belongs where on the list, but for me the real problem is the overall lack of talent Mac has brought in? He's self described as all in for the BPA. Well, all I can say is his BPA are not very talented players overall. Leonard Williams is a good player, but is he anywhere even close to JJ Watt? Not even close. Unless their rookie seasons deceived me, we'll be saying the same things about Maye and Adams? Good to decent, not anywhere near great.
This is why the Jets are going to be a bad team for 3 years running. His drafting is OK, not good. If I'm rating his drafting, he's certainly better than Idzik, but clearly not as good as Tanny? Tanny drafted Revis, Harris, Mangold, Brick, Wilkerson. At their best, not a single Mac pick compares. This article has Darron Lee 8th and yet this guy has yet to defend a single pass in two years in the league. He's no better than a 5th round draft choice at best. Bottom line is until the drafting improves substantially, the Jets will always be 5-11. Mac just isn't a good GM.
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Post by bxjetfan on Jul 8, 2018 9:59:41 GMT -5
We could debate who belongs where on the list, but for me the real problem is the overall lack of talent Mac has brought in? He's self described as all in for the BPA. Well, all I can say is his BPA are not very talented players overall. Leonard Williams is a good player, but is he anywhere even close to JJ Watt? Not even close. Unless their rookie seasons deceived me, we'll be saying the same things about Maye and Adams? Good to decent, not anywhere near great. This is why the Jets are going to be a bad team for 3 years running. His drafting is OK, not good. If I'm rating his drafting, he's certainly better than Idzik, but clearly not as good as Tanny? Tanny drafted Revis, Harris, Mangold, Brick, Wilkerson. At their best, not a single Mac pick compares. This article has Darron Lee 8th and yet this guy has yet to defend a single pass in two years in the league. He's no better than a 5th round draft choice at best. Bottom line is until the drafting improves substantially, the Jets will always be 5-11. Mac just isn't a good GM. We passed on JJ Watt? Also, do you flush when you drop these turds on us? Cuz you really stink up the joint. |
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Post by cgjet on Jul 8, 2018 12:57:25 GMT -5
I think it goes deeper than Mac, Idzik and Tanny suck at drafting. While the GM ultimately is to blame for the lack of talent gleaned from the NFL draft its the scouts who prepare the reports for the GM. I can't help but think the old boy network is alive and well with the Jets, in that if you are a good guy, or play golf with a friend of a friend you get a job scouting for the Jets. When you think about it scouting is the basic building block of a NFL franchise and if you have a poor foundation everything around it will crumble. The Jets need knowledgeable talent evaluators out in the field to be successful and present good options to the GM (whoever it is) to re-build this team.
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Post by cgjet on Jul 8, 2018 13:06:29 GMT -5
Here are the culprits. Never heard of a one of them. That doesn't mean they can't scout, but how about some guys who played or were successful coaches who are intelligent, know positions and what it takes to be successful NFL player. I'm guessing there's a lot of sitting on their fat asses on Saturdays in college towns and running up their expense accounts. Whoever's name was on the endorsement of the recent busts the Jets drafted would be let go immediately, sending a message to the others to get off their asses and scout talent.
Evan Ardoin Area Scout
Jon Carr College Scouting
Andy Davis Pro Scout
Bill Dekraker College Scout
Alonzo Dotson Area Scout
Dom Green National Scout
Jay Mandolesi National Scout
Greg Nejmeh Coordinator, Pro Personnel
Brian Shields College Scout
Rich Snead Player Personnel Executive
Johnathon Stigall College Scout
Zach Truty Player Personnel Executive
Dan Zbojovsky Coordinator, College Scouting
Drew Morris College Scout
Kevin Murphy Pro Scout
Ray Agnew Seasonal Intern, Pro Personnel
Andrew Dollak Seasonal Intern, Pro Personnel
Eric Ellingworth Seasonal Intern, Pro Personnel
Salim Powell Seasonal Intern, Scouting
Tyler Tettleton Seasonal Intern, Pro Personnel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 13:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 8, 2018 13:36:29 GMT -5
Way too early on the '17 guys. Some might even argue its too early for the '16 guys but I think the clock is sped up these days. Seems like there are shorter leashes and less development time throughout the league.
The draft is only one part of the equation. Have to also take a look at what he has done in FA and contract extensions. The Revis and Wilkerson contracts are the obvious black eyes. But he also played tough with Fitzpatrick only to cave in the 11th hour with Fitzpatrick missing valuable offseason work. I dont think anybody expected Fitz to duplicate his 2015 season but the whole contract mess made matters worse in my opinion.
I would give Mac a D overall.
The good news for him is if Darnold pays off nothing else matters and he is a hero. Its that simple. Shithouse to penthouse.
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Post by mainejet on Jul 8, 2018 14:26:15 GMT -5
I think it goes deeper than Mac, Idzik and Tanny suck at drafting. While the GM ultimately is to blame for the lack of talent gleaned from the NFL draft its the scouts who prepare the reports for the GM. I can't help but think the old boy network is alive and well with the Jets, in that if you are a good guy, or play golf with a friend of a friend you get a job scouting for the Jets. When you think about it scouting is the basic building block of a NFL franchise and if you have a poor foundation everything around it will crumble. The Jets need knowledgeable talent evaluators out in the field to be successful and present good options to the GM (whoever it is) to re-build this team. could the problem run that deep? I never really thought about it at that level. It makes sense. All I can say for Mac is there isn't a single player he's drafted that could be considered a dynamic player. That's really saying something also. He's been here 4 years now. We know what we have and it isn't good. Anyone that can't see cause and effect of bad drafting making a team 5-11 just isn't very smart? Or maybe just deliberately ignorant? But if the problem is what you say it is then the easiest solution is to clean house? I think most of us have long ago established that Bowles sucks. |
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Post by mainejet on Jul 8, 2018 14:32:08 GMT -5
Way too early on the '17 guys. Some might even argue its too early for the '16 guys but I think the clock is sped up these days. Seems like there are shorter leashes and less development time throughout the league. The draft is only one part of the equation. Have to also take a look at what he has done in FA and contract extensions. The Revis and Wilkerson contracts are the obvious black eyes. But he also played tough with Fitzpatrick only to cave in the 11th hour with Fitzpatrick missing valuable offseason work. I dont think anybody expected Fitz to duplicate his 2015 season but the whole contract mess made matters worse in my opinion. I would give Mac a D overall. The good news for him is if Darnold pays off nothing else matters and he is a hero. Its that simple. Shithouse to penthouse. Agreed. However, the real goal is to win the SB. If you don't win the SB, you're a failure. It's that simple. It's hard to see this team winning anything the way Mac manages the team. |
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Post by mainejet on Jul 8, 2018 14:35:41 GMT -5
We could debate who belongs where on the list, but for me the real problem is the overall lack of talent Mac has brought in? He's self described as all in for the BPA. Well, all I can say is his BPA are not very talented players overall. Leonard Williams is a good player, but is he anywhere even close to JJ Watt? Not even close. Unless their rookie seasons deceived me, we'll be saying the same things about Maye and Adams? Good to decent, not anywhere near great. This is why the Jets are going to be a bad team for 3 years running. His drafting is OK, not good. If I'm rating his drafting, he's certainly better than Idzik, but clearly not as good as Tanny? Tanny drafted Revis, Harris, Mangold, Brick, Wilkerson. At their best, not a single Mac pick compares. This article has Darron Lee 8th and yet this guy has yet to defend a single pass in two years in the league. He's no better than a 5th round draft choice at best. Bottom line is until the drafting improves substantially, the Jets will always be 5-11. Mac just isn't a good GM. We passed on JJ Watt? Also, do you flush when you drop these turds on us? Cuz you really stink up the joint. Does somebody need a timeout? |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Jul 8, 2018 14:58:54 GMT -5
Damn drunk m ick. Should stick to growing potatoes.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jul 9, 2018 10:39:25 GMT -5
We could debate who belongs where on the list, but for me the real problem is the overall lack of talent Mac has brought in? He's self described as all in for the BPA. Well, all I can say is his BPA are not very talented players overall. Leonard Williams is a good player, but is he anywhere even close to JJ Watt? Not even close. Unless their rookie seasons deceived me, we'll be saying the same things about Maye and Adams? Good to decent, not anywhere near great. This is why the Jets are going to be a bad team for 3 years running. His drafting is OK, not good. If I'm rating his drafting, he's certainly better than Idzik, but clearly not as good as Tanny? Tanny drafted Revis, Harris, Mangold, Brick, Wilkerson. At their best, not a single Mac pick compares. This article has Darron Lee 8th and yet this guy has yet to defend a single pass in two years in the league. He's no better than a 5th round draft choice at best. Bottom line is until the drafting improves substantially, the Jets will always be 5-11. Mac just isn't a good GM. Wow. Just reading that list was brutal. BRUTAL. I think you're being too easy on Macc. He's the worst GM in the league. Just because he's better than Idzik and Kotite when he was Coach/GM (passing on Warren Sapp and taking Kyle stone hands brady) doesn't mean he's good. I know you are saying he's not a good GM, but I think he SUX at being GM. Again, how many players in the Top 100? One or none. His plan A to sign Kirk fucking Cousins? He's a moron and should be fired before the season starts. They have no talented skill position players. No pass rush. No nothing. That's on the coffee addicted four eyed mumbling fool. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 14:32:29 GMT -5
I'm thinking the prose outweighs the cons here.
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Post by Peebag on Jul 9, 2018 16:23:56 GMT -5
If you take away the Darnold pick, what's the 2018 draft look like?
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Post by bxjetfan on Jul 9, 2018 16:28:30 GMT -5
If you take away the Darnold pick, what's the 2018 draft look like? Who did we pick with the three 2's? |
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