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Post by crossfire on Aug 20, 2018 6:45:50 GMT -5
Yes way. Teddy is not the future. Period. If we get offered even a third round pick for him, I would ship his ass out of town in a heartbeat. Proven player only. I think I misunderstood you. Yeah, it would be great to get a proven player for him but I honestly think teams still consider Bridgewater damaged goods. Mechanically, he looks great. But that knee injury was so severe that teams are afraid to take a big chance on him. With that knee healthy, Bridgewater is a starting NFL QB. But until teams really see him play a lot and prove that his knee can hold up, his value is going to stay down.
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 20, 2018 7:05:26 GMT -5
I think I misunderstood you. Yeah, it would be great to get a proven player for him but I honestly think teams still consider Bridgewater damaged goods. Mechanically, he looks great. But that knee injury was so severe that teams are afraid to take a big chance on him. With that knee healthy, Bridgewater is a starting NFL QB. But until teams really see him play a lot and prove that his knee can hold up, his value is going to stay down. That's another reason to let him start the season. 3 games in 10 days. If he plays well then trade him. If Darnold still isnt ready then let McCown play. Or if we arent confident in the OL.
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Post by Trades on Aug 20, 2018 11:29:06 GMT -5
I think I misunderstood you. Yeah, it would be great to get a proven player for him but I honestly think teams still consider Bridgewater damaged goods. Mechanically, he looks great. But that knee injury was so severe that teams are afraid to take a big chance on him. With that knee healthy, Bridgewater is a starting NFL QB. But until teams really see him play a lot and prove that his knee can hold up, his value is going to stay down. That's another reason to let him start the season. 3 games in 10 days. If he plays well then trade him. If Darnold still isnt ready then let McCown play. Or if we arent confident in the OL. Allows for time to pass where a starter for another team could get hurt too but can you imagine the uproar if we are 2-1 or 3-0 and then we trade the guy that got us there!?!? Pandemonium. He took a decent shot to the knees (no idea how that wasn't a penalty) in the last game and walked it off. That was a good sign.
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 20, 2018 13:03:29 GMT -5
That's another reason to let him start the season. 3 games in 10 days. If he plays well then trade him. If Darnold still isnt ready then let McCown play. Or if we arent confident in the OL. Allows for time to pass where a starter for another team could get hurt too but can you imagine the uproar if we are 2-1 or 3-0 and then we trade the guy that got us there!?!? Pandemonium. He took a decent shot to the knees (no idea how that wasn't a penalty) in the last game and walked it off. That was a good sign. Because everyone knows Darnold is the future I dont think there will be that much drama after just 3 games. Back in 2004 I think the Giants did it after 9 games and they had a winning record.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 20, 2018 13:09:31 GMT -5
Not for nothing, the schedule makers should be shot for scheduling 3 games in 10 days.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 20, 2018 13:10:43 GMT -5
But it does give a built in excuse to ease Darnold in, and give Teddy essentially a 3 game audition if there's no offers before the season starts.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 20, 2018 13:12:59 GMT -5
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 20, 2018 13:16:08 GMT -5
And Manish mentions a good point - if you keep Teddy and he walks, with what they plan to spend in FA next season, you're not getting a compensatory pick in 2020, when Teddy walks after the season, and they're not going to franchise tag him... so while it would be great to get a pick in the first three rounds, at some point, you may consider a fourth and take what you can get.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 20, 2018 13:17:32 GMT -5
One more reason to limit Teddy's playing time if you can:
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Post by shootmenow on Aug 20, 2018 22:51:59 GMT -5
And Manish mentions a good point - if you keep Teddy and he walks, with what they plan to spend in FA next season, you're not getting a compensatory pick in 2020, when Teddy walks after the season, and they're not going to franchise tag him... so while it would be great to get a pick in the first three rounds, at some point, you may consider a fourth and take what you can get. We have way less than a 50% success rate at 1st and 2nd pick and you want to rush to trade a potential starter for a 4th round pick? Why would you not wait until the trade deadline if that's the best you could do? This whole discussion is insane and it's in an o-line thread.
And STOP quoting Mehtard!! He's a fricking fiction writer just looking for someone to blow. He hasn't had a decent pearl necklace since that asshole D coach left and stopped feeding him locker room bullshit.
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Post by Hotman on Aug 20, 2018 23:11:52 GMT -5
We have way less than a 50% success rate at 1st and 2nd pick and you want to rush to trade a potential starter for a 4th round pick? this my thinking for sure. Do NOT trust anyone in this org to draft ANYONE Sammy was an accident these dicks werent gonna draft
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Post by Lithfan on Aug 21, 2018 7:34:52 GMT -5
And Manish mentions a good point - if you keep Teddy and he walks, with what they plan to spend in FA next season, you're not getting a compensatory pick in 2020, when Teddy walks after the season, and they're not going to franchise tag him... so while it would be great to get a pick in the first three rounds, at some point, you may consider a fourth and take what you can get. I don't necessarly agree with this. We can get a comp pick if we lose more Compensatory FAs than we sign. We have a ton of guys in the last year of their contracts: Bridgewater Powell Enunwa Pryor Kearse Carpenter Sterling McLendon Anderson (Henry) Martin Skrine Claiborne I am sure we are going to re-sign some of these guys, but if we lose 6 or 7 from this list, and we sign 5 new guys, we could still net a comp pick for Teddy and if someone pays him like a starting QB, it could be a 3 or 4 we get back for him. Since there is a chance we get a comp pick, I am not in favor of trqading him unless we can net either a starting edge or OL, or no lower than a day 2 pick.
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Post by thebigragu on Aug 21, 2018 7:45:24 GMT -5
Human turnstiles out there. We have the most to spend in free agency next year but that's not going to help darnold now. I don't expect a playoff run I just dont want the kid killed all year long
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 21, 2018 8:52:15 GMT -5
And Manish mentions a good point - if you keep Teddy and he walks, with what they plan to spend in FA next season, you're not getting a compensatory pick in 2020, when Teddy walks after the season, and they're not going to franchise tag him... so while it would be great to get a pick in the first three rounds, at some point, you may consider a fourth and take what you can get. I don't necessarly agree with this. We can get a comp pick if we lose more Compensatory FAs than we sign. We have a ton of guys in the last year of their contracts: Bridgewater Powell Enunwa Pryor Kearse Carpenter Sterling McLendon Anderson (Henry) Martin Skrine Claiborne I am sure we are going to re-sign some of these guys, but if we lose 6 or 7 from this list, and we sign 5 new guys, we could still net a comp pick for Teddy and if someone pays him like a starting QB, it could be a 3 or 4 we get back for him. Since there is a chance we get a comp pick, I am not in favor of trqading him unless we can net either a starting edge or OL, or no lower than a day 2 pick. If we do the bolded, though, we're then relying on Macc finding the balance of the roster in next years draft... and Im way more confident in his FA signing skills than his drafting skills at this point But seriously, its a crapshoot, since comp picks are based on not only how many players you lose, but salaries in and out I believe. But yes, there is a chance of getting, at best, a comp pick at the end of the 3rd round, which is basically a high 4. That's why Im saying as we get to the trade deadline, I'd be open to considering locking in a high 4th round pick in a trade, if the other options are lose him for nothing, or at best, get a pick just a few spots higher.
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Post by Lithfan on Aug 21, 2018 11:10:14 GMT -5
I don't necessarly agree with this. We can get a comp pick if we lose more Compensatory FAs than we sign. We have a ton of guys in the last year of their contracts: Bridgewater Powell Enunwa Pryor Kearse Carpenter Sterling McLendon Anderson (Henry) Martin Skrine Claiborne I am sure we are going to re-sign some of these guys, but if we lose 6 or 7 from this list, and we sign 5 new guys, we could still net a comp pick for Teddy and if someone pays him like a starting QB, it could be a 3 or 4 we get back for him. Since there is a chance we get a comp pick, I am not in favor of trqading him unless we can net either a starting edge or OL, or no lower than a day 2 pick. If we do the bolded, though, we're then relying on Macc finding the balance of the roster in next years draft... and Im way more confident in his FA signing skills than his drafting skills at this point But seriously, its a crapshoot, since comp picks are based on not only how many players you lose, but salaries in and out I believe. But yes, there is a chance of getting, at best, a comp pick at the end of the 3rd round, which is basically a high 4. That's why Im saying as we get to the trade deadline, I'd be open to considering locking in a high 4th round pick in a trade, if the other options are lose him for nothing, or at best, get a pick just a few spots higher. Good teams (not saying we are one) have young guys on the roster ready to step in and replace lost FAs. If we lose a WR, hopefully a McBride/Hansen/Stewart or Peake can step up and take a bigger role. On the OL can a guy like Antonio Garcia -- a year removed from his illness step up and play next season. Will Parry Nickerson be able to replace Skrine. Derrick Jones step in for Claiborne. Fatukasi for Anderson or McLendon. Not every FA lost needs to be replaced through free agency -- not all of these guys are going to be ready, but if 2 or 3 can take bigger roles in 2019, that is a couple less FAs that we need to sign. This is the way good Coaches/GMs (not saying we have one) build a roster. Develop young guys to step in so you can get comp picks when guys leave.
You are probably right regarding a 4 -- since it would be 2019 and a comp pick would be for 2020. But still, I would not be willing to move him for a 4 now, but if that is the best we can get at the deadline, we probably should do it.
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