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Post by Jets Things on Sept 22, 2018 18:50:21 GMT -5
I must be in the minority, because I agree with the OP. While Bates' play-calling isn't stellar (it isn't bad), it's the execution with insufficient/inadequate personnel that has caught my attention. That the zone blocking has had even a semblance of respectability given the unathletic oafs we have on the OL is a testament to his playbook. The short passing game is just what Darnold needs early on, and it seems most are comfortable with it (Anderson and Pryor don't seem to be particularly 'motivated' on the field IMO). So, yea let's promote Bates and keep that new OL guy. Bowles is flat, his team plays similarly; he professes to be a disciplinarian, the team plays anything by disciplined football. Bowles is so bad that Bates is an upgrade your right about the offense talentwise it might be the worse in the league yet he is able to actually make it perform better then it should you add in an actual top level defensive coordinator then the Jets can actually win games. One thing fire bowles and let Bates walk your talking a whole new offensive system not good for a young QB in fact it will destroy his development easiest solution to this problem promote Bates and bring in a top level DC. The Eagles hired Doug Pederson hardly a guy that look like he could coach a whole team. They bought in a top level DC to help him and run the Defense the Eagles win a SB. Instead of blowing all up and risk screwing Darnold up this is the way to go. I'm not disagreeing, but what top notch DC would take a lateral move to the friggin Jets? Unless you know a D positions coach who deserves a promotion.
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Post by Hotman on Sept 23, 2018 1:50:31 GMT -5
I must be in the minority, because I agree with the OP. While Bates' play-calling isn't stellar (it isn't bad), it's the execution with insufficient/inadequate personnel that has caught my attention. That the zone blocking has had even a semblance of respectability given the unathletic oafs we have on the OL is a testament to his playbook. The short passing game is just what Darnold needs early on, and it seems most are comfortable with it (Anderson and Pryor don't seem to be particularly 'motivated' on the field IMO). So, yea let's promote Bates and keep that new OL guy. Bowles is flat, his team plays similarly; he professes to be a disciplinarian, the team plays anything by disciplined football. Bowles is so bad that Bates is an upgrade your right about the offense talentwise it might be the worse in the league yet he is able to actually make it perform better then it should you add in an actual top level defensive coordinator then the Jets can actually win games. One thing fire bowles and let Bates walk your talking a whole new offensive system not good for a young QB in fact it will destroy his development easiest solution to this problem promote Bates and bring in a top level DC. The Eagles hired Doug Pederson hardly a guy that look like he could coach a whole team. They bought in a top level DC to help him and run the Defense the Eagles win a SB. Instead of blowing all up and risk screwing Darnold up this is the way to go. i see this as the only legit option. At least to finish the seasopne. No way Bates can be worse than Bowles, he may at least try. these assholes now (mgmt) don't even TRY to win. And Morton was total escape goat just like everyone called during the 17 year. I really can't understand how billionares can be so fuckin STUPID. except for when it comes to fraud and cons
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Post by cgjet on Sept 23, 2018 9:43:30 GMT -5
Offer Bud Grant $50K per/year and a bass boat.
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Post by mainejet on Sept 23, 2018 10:40:42 GMT -5
This right now would be a better solution fire Bowles promote Jeremy Bates to head coach sign him to a 3 year deal and bring in a real defensive coordinator that actually makes game time adjustments. Look at Doug Pederson Bates actually has more experience. A 3 year deal is way too much of a commitment for a guy we know seemingly nothing about. I would say the decision to make Bates HC is a decent one on an interim basis. Let's see how he does on a trial basis.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 23, 2018 10:49:27 GMT -5
My thinking is Bates does not want to be a HC at the moment. Remember he walked away from football for years after he was fired as an OC. And, even he probably realizes he does not have the experience to be a HC.
If you like Bates, the move is to convince Mike Shannahan to be HC with control over personnel for a couple of years, groom his OC Bates to take over, have Shannahan step into a team president position to run the franchise after he is done coaching.
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Post by nyjets1969 on Sept 23, 2018 11:55:02 GMT -5
My thinking is Bates does not want to be a HC at the moment. Remember he walked away from football for years after he was fired as an OC. And, even he probably realizes he does not have the experience to be a HC. If you like Bates, the move is to convince Mike Shannahan to be HC with control over personnel for a couple of years, groom his OC Bates to take over, have Shannahan step into a team president position to run the franchise after he is done coaching. Love to have shannahan too dont know at his age would he want to come in and deal with a high stress market at his age. Maybe enough money which Woody has would convince him to come out. Also it would be another plus Mac would be gone. That would fix everything.
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Post by tkasper01 on Sept 23, 2018 11:59:55 GMT -5
My thinking is Bates does not want to be a HC at the moment. Remember he walked away from football for years after he was fired as an OC. And, even he probably realizes he does not have the experience to be a HC. If you like Bates, the move is to convince Mike Shannahan to be HC with control over personnel for a couple of years, groom his OC Bates to take over, have Shannahan step into a team president position to run the franchise after he is done coaching. I could certainly support this idea. Or hire MS has president now and hire Whisenhut to coach. He did well in Arizona and there is no reason to think he would not do well again.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 23, 2018 12:05:25 GMT -5
My thinking is Bates does not want to be a HC at the moment. Remember he walked away from football for years after he was fired as an OC. And, even he probably realizes he does not have the experience to be a HC. If you like Bates, the move is to convince Mike Shannahan to be HC with control over personnel for a couple of years, groom his OC Bates to take over, have Shannahan step into a team president position to run the franchise after he is done coaching. I could certainly support this idea. Or hire MS has president now and hire Whisenhut to coach. He did well in Arizona and there is no reason to think he would not do well again. Why did they fire him? Wasn't he HC in Tennessee too?
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Post by tkasper01 on Sept 23, 2018 12:20:47 GMT -5
I could certainly support this idea. Or hire MS has president now and hire Whisenhut to coach. He did well in Arizona and there is no reason to think he would not do well again. Why did they fire him? Wasn't he HC in Tennessee too? If I am not mistaken the year after the SB Warner had retired and they had nothing behind him. I think he was canned and they brought in Arians and Palmer. He got jobbed in TN after one year and having his Qb retire. I think
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Post by DDNYjets on Sept 23, 2018 12:54:48 GMT -5
Not a fan of Whis. To be honest I dont know who I want as a HC. I just know that Bowles is one of many very good DC that simply could not transition. I really like him as a person but enough is enough with the undisciplined players, lack of adjustments and getting caught off guard.
We really need to fire both the HC and GM but Mac is 100% going to get to select a second coach. And he is going to get to spend that 100 million. And I think he has the support of the media over Bowles.
Gates will be our next HC because they will want continuity for Darnold. Not because they think he will be a good HC.
Rinse and repeat.
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Post by Big L on Sept 23, 2018 13:08:08 GMT -5
Fire shitbowl, promote Bates to interim HC, then see what’s available at the end of he season.
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Post by cgjet on Sept 23, 2018 20:48:03 GMT -5
I can’t recommend a sure fire HC at this time if Sleepy is fired but I’ll just say this, he needs to go and go now. Name an intrem HC and see how the team responds and how he handles it. If it isn’t satisfactory, go shopping for one after the season.
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Post by Jets Things on Sept 23, 2018 21:05:02 GMT -5
I can’t recommend a sure fire HC at this time if Sleepy is fired but I’ll just say this, he needs to go and go now. Name an intrem HC and see how the team responds and how he handles it. If it isn’t satisfactory, go shopping for one after the season. I'd take Todd Haley in a heartbeat.
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Post by vin on Sept 23, 2018 22:24:09 GMT -5
I can’t recommend a sure fire HC at this time if Sleepy is fired but I’ll just say this, he needs to go and go now. Name an intrem HC and see how the team responds and how he handles it. If it isn’t satisfactory, go shopping for one after the season. I'd take Todd Haley in a heartbeat.
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Post by Trades on Sept 24, 2018 12:35:23 GMT -5
I must be in the minority, because I agree with the OP. While Bates' play-calling isn't stellar (it isn't bad), it's the execution with insufficient/inadequate personnel that has caught my attention. That the zone blocking has had even a semblance of respectability given the unathletic oafs we have on the OL is a testament to his playbook. The short passing game is just what Darnold needs early on, and it seems most are comfortable with it (Anderson and Pryor don't seem to be particularly 'motivated' on the field IMO). So, yea let's promote Bates and keep that new OL guy. Bowles is flat, his team plays similarly; he professes to be a disciplinarian, the team plays anything by disciplined football. Bowles is so bad that Bates is an upgrade your right about the offense talentwise it might be the worse in the league yet he is able to actually make it perform better then it should you add in an actual top level defensive coordinator then the Jets can actually win games. One thing fire bowles and let Bates walk your talking a whole new offensive system not good for a young QB in fact it will destroy his development easiest solution to this problem promote Bates and bring in a top level DC. The Eagles hired Doug Pederson hardly a guy that look like he could coach a whole team. They bought in a top level DC to help him and run the Defense the Eagles win a SB. Instead of blowing all up and risk screwing Darnold up this is the way to go. If I was Chris Johnson I would call Bates in and ask why they were calling the game as they are. If he says you have to stick with the game plan or he thought it was the best game plan then you can't go with him. There was NO adjustment made for the 2nd half. Granted without the BS penalties I still think we win but whatever. If Bates thinks that was a good game plan then he can't be given the job.
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