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Post by nyjets1969 on Jan 10, 2019 15:20:26 GMT -5
No offence dude, but this is the same stuff you regurgitated last year about Mayfield. Since then he went number one overall spanked our ass coming off the bench on national tv Murray is 100% in play I simply didn’t believe that Mayfield was worth a Top 10 pick. Never thought the guy would be a bust. But I sure as hell wouldn’t have taken him over Darnold. Mayfield is small and even he towers over Murray. I don’t see this working out at all. Kid could be a star outfielder for the A’s with the potential to land a $100+ million contract in the not too distant future. Don’t know why he would risk that by potentially getting snapped in half in the NFL. First he has to spend 4 years in the minors and hopes he gets called up. He gets drafted #1 instant 40 million and stardom endorsement he will top that 100 million in 6 months.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 10, 2019 15:45:55 GMT -5
I simply didn’t believe that Mayfield was worth a Top 10 pick. Never thought the guy would be a bust. But I sure as hell wouldn’t have taken him over Darnold. Mayfield is small and even he towers over Murray. I don’t see this working out at all. Kid could be a star outfielder for the A’s with the potential to land a $100+ million contract in the not too distant future. Don’t know why he would risk that by potentially getting snapped in half in the NFL. First he has to spend 4 years in the minors and hopes he gets called up. He gets drafted #1 instant 40 million and stardom endorsement he will top that 100 million in 6 months. That’s making a MONSTROUS assumption that he goes #1. I don’t see that at all. Even if you like Murray, that’s batshit, loony tunes crazy. Haskins is easily the best QB prospect in this draft. And I don’t even think he’s anything particularly special. If Kingsbury talks Keim into taking this kid at the top of the draft, then I’d be on suicide watch if I were a Cardinals fan.
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Post by adpz on Jan 10, 2019 15:47:15 GMT -5
Even if Murray goes later, the money is still plenty good - from CBS article about why he would/should go NFL:
2019 NFL Draft: Here's why Kyler Murray should play in the NFL and pass on baseball The Oklahoma star will reportedly declare for the NFL Draft; here's why that's a great decision Ryan Wilson mugshot by Ryan Wilson @ryanwilsoncbs 3h ago • 7 min read
Kyler Murray will reportedly declare for the NFL Draft on Sunday, which means he could give up a professional baseball career with the Oakland A's. And should Murray commit to football it would also mean he'd have to return the $4.66 million he received from the A's last summer.
So is football the right decision for Murray, the Heisman Trophy winner coming off a huge season with the Oklahoma Sooners? The short answer is yes (but we here at CBS Sports decided to lay out an argument for both, and you can find our argument for baseball here.) Let's take a look at the reasons why.
Money
Yes, Murray would have to return the $4.66 million from the A's, but depending on where he's taken in the NFL Draft (more on that in a second), he'll make up that money the moment his name is called. In fact, he'll almost certainly make up that money the moment he declares and signs his first endorsement deal. And while baseball can be lucrative -- and, compared to football, relatively safe -- NFL franchise quarterbacks typically have long careers, avoid serious injuries, and retire with more than $150 million in earnings. If, for example, Murray played running back or linebacker, there would be no discussion; he should play baseball because running backs and linebackers, on average, play for 4-5 seasons and earn substantially less than quarterbacks.
There's also this: Yes, $4.66 million is a nice chunk of change to play baseball, but it would be Murray's only big payday for the next 5-6 years. Baseball America's J.J. Cooper explains: "Considering he has [fewer] at-bats under his belt than his peers, he's likely two to three seasons away from reaching the majors," Cooper wrote last month. "And then he would be another three seasons away from arbitration. So his first big payday for baseball would likely not come until 2023 or 2024. His first chance at free agency would likely come after the 2026 or 2027 seasons. At that point, Murray will be 29 or 30, which means he's likely to get one significant free-agent contract if he ends up being a very productive regular."
In the NFL, a franchise quarterback gets his $100 million-plus contract after three or four seasons, depending on when he was drafted, but this assumes that Murray's a franchise quarterback. But even if he's not, journeymen do pretty well for themselves too; Matt Schaub's career earnings (via Spotrac): $90.6 million
There's more:
- Mark Sanchez: $74.2 million - Matt Cassel: $65.5 million - Ryan Fitzpatrick: $58 million - Josh McCown: $49.7 million
Even Mike Glennon, who has 22 career starts in six seasons, has earned $27.5 million.
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Post by adpz on Jan 10, 2019 15:52:54 GMT -5
If Kingsbury talks Keim into taking this kid at the top of the draft, then I’d be on suicide watch if I were a Cardinals fan. First he has to spend 4 years in the minors and hopes he gets called up. It's a really fair point I've been playing in a high-stakes roto league for years and years and we draft farm guys the year they come out. So many "can't-miss" Top-10 guys that never ever amount to anything in MLB. Zero payday. MLB history is just littered with them. Josh Vitters. Donovan Tate. Angel Villalona. Sean Burroughs. Etc etc etc. These guys grind in the minors for min-wage or go to Korea. MLB is brutal when things don't work out.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jan 10, 2019 16:46:47 GMT -5
Rosen is not going anywhere and they'd be dumb if they traded him for an un-proven prospect. While playing behind one of the worst lines last year, Rosen showed flashes that he has the goods. He may love this kid but he's not calling the shots. JMO Nfl media has already said that Rosen traded is a possibility Tis the time to spew every rumor possible. Trading Rosen would be the dumbest move in the history of dumb moves. The Cards should be as optimistic about his future as we are with Darnold. He may be a doosh, but he has it. He's not going anywhere.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jan 10, 2019 17:11:33 GMT -5
I simply didn’t believe that Mayfield was worth a Top 10 pick. Never thought the guy would be a bust. But I sure as hell wouldn’t have taken him over Darnold. Mayfield is small and even he towers over Murray. I don’t see this working out at all. Kid could be a star outfielder for the A’s with the potential to land a $100+ million contract in the not too distant future. Don’t know why he would risk that by potentially getting snapped in half in the NFL. Besides, who wants to play a 160 games of a women’s sport. A year. Yeah, it would suck to make 100 million dollars AND not risk CTE and other crippling bodily harm.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jan 10, 2019 17:17:17 GMT -5
The biggest way this COULD help is, is if Rosen got traded to the Giants, and AZ takes Murray. Some other QB hungry team (Jax?) may then be motivated to trade up with us to get Haskins?
OR... does it hurt us because a team like Jax says, "oh, the Cards and Giants now have their QBs, no one else ahead of me needs a QB, so why trade up, I may just get Haskins anyway?"
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Post by adpz on Jan 10, 2019 17:32:39 GMT -5
The biggest way this COULD help is, is if Rosen got traded to the Giants, and AZ takes Murray. Some other QB hungry team (Jax?) may then be motivated to trade up with us to get Haskins? OR... does it hurt us because a team like Jax says, "oh, the Cards and Giants now have their QBs, no one else ahead of me needs a QB, so why trade up, I may just get Haskins anyway?" In the unlikely event Murray goes #1, it would be a benefit even if only because it would leave the two "top" QBs still on the board with spots 2 & 3 to pick, with neither us nor SF needing QBS. If SF trades out, then we can draft Bosa. Or we trade out too, to give some team a shot at Lock/Haskins. It would be very much what the Colts did with us, moving down to #6. Lots of teams in the mix for a QB this year. Even if one of them gets Rosen - Jets have plenty of nearby spots to land in: 4 OAK 5 TAMPA 6 NYG 7 JAX 10 DEN 11 CIN (13) MIA (15) WAS
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Post by nyjets1969 on Jan 10, 2019 19:24:06 GMT -5
Nfl media has already said that Rosen traded is a possibility Tis the time to spew every rumor possible. Trading Rosen would be the dumbest move in the history of dumb moves. The Cards should be as optimistic about his future as we are with Darnold. He may be a doosh, but he has it. He's not going anywhere. According to NFL experts hiring Cliff Kingsbury was the dumbest move in history along with signing Wilks then firing 1 season in. The Cards might actually run worse then the Jets. Rosen was drafted for a different system. Rosen is slow and doesnt run often he doesnt fit the option offense Kingsbury will be installing. So anything is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 23:17:29 GMT -5
Kyler Murray just declared for the draft - and coach KK loves him (hmmm.....wonder what the middle name is), is now in ARZ, which has the first pick. Hard to see ARZ not drafting Kyler Murray and trying to deal Douche-Face Rosen.... Also hard to imagine Bosa doesn't go to SF; or fall to the Jets at 3. Either way, if Murray goes #1, that's going to leave some reach players on the board for Jets #3 - improving our odds of a good deal with another team. No. Rosen has skills. He's a Dude.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 23:22:48 GMT -5
No offence dude, but this is the same stuff you regurgitated last year about Mayfield. Since then he went number one overall spanked our ass coming off the bench on national tv Murray is 100% in play I simply didn’t believe that Mayfield was worth a Top 10 pick. Never thought the guy would be a bust. But I sure as hell wouldn’t have taken him over Darnold. Mayfield is small and even he towers over Murray. I don’t see this working out at all. Kid could be a star outfielder for the A’s with the potential to land a $100+ million contract in the not too distant future. Don’t know why he would risk that by potentially getting snapped in half in the NFL. We gotta get you on the You Tubes
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Post by 2milehighJet on Jan 13, 2019 18:54:33 GMT -5
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Post by adpz on Jan 13, 2019 23:24:51 GMT -5
15mil - lol - he should check and see who he got drafted by. Zero chance they pony up that $
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Post by mrmittens on Jan 13, 2019 23:49:39 GMT -5
I think they will and he will stay in mlb
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Post by adpz on Jan 14, 2019 0:11:31 GMT -5
15mil - lol - he should check and see who he got drafted by. Zero chance they pony up that $
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