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Post by Paradis on Jan 17, 2015 13:21:29 GMT -5
But would I take him at #6 if he's still there? Every day of the damn week. This part here is for the birds. I get the argument for a QB and agree with the logic - but our team has to make an assessment of him, and stick with it. Just because he's there, doesn't mean "you take him every damn time". if he was all that and then some, he simply wouldnt' be there at #6. If he is, it's because there's cause for concern and I'd gladly let the slide continue. Quite honestly, I don't like Mariota. I don't think he's all that good, or interesting even. He'd be a disappointment even in the 2nd round to me. Paradis' dream team doesn't feature a guy who relies so heavily on his athleticism. He needs to be less RG3, and more Russell Wilson, and i don't see it. I wish winston wasn't such a dooosh. |
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Post by Touchable on Jan 17, 2015 13:46:32 GMT -5
Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
If Marcus Mariota is still sitting in the green room when the Jets go on the clock, they will be hard-pressed to go in any other direction.
According to Rich Cimini of ESPN.com, Chan Gailey will become the offensive coordinator in New York. That furthers a possible marriage between Mariota and the Jets. Gailey's offenses space the field particularly well and are friendly to quarterbacks. He has pulled production out of brutal NFL passers in the past.
Mariota will have a bigger adjustment to the NFL than top quarterback prospects of the last few years.
While he worked through more reads at Oregon than often credited for, Mariota is accustomed to throwing into truck-sized passing windows. His ball placement is behind schedule as a result.
Any OC who is tasked with building Mariota will have to ease him into things at first, focusing on the tools he already possesses as a thrower.
New York would be a fitting landing spot for Mariota because Gailey can craft an offense around the QB that can be successful but also keep sight of long-term development.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 17, 2015 14:39:55 GMT -5
But would I take him at #6 if he's still there? Every day of the damn week. This part here is for the birds. I get the argument for a QB and agree with the logic - but our team has to make an assessment of him, and stick with it. Just because he's there, doesn't mean "you take him every damn time". if he was all that and then some, he simply wouldnt' be there at #6. If he is, it's because there's cause for concern and I'd gladly let the slide continue. Quite honestly, I don't like Mariota. I don't think he's all that good, or interesting even. He'd be a disappointment even in the 2nd round to me. Paradis' dream team doesn't feature a guy who relies so heavily on his athleticism. He needs to be less RG3, and more Russell Wilson, and i don't see it. I wish winston wasn't such a dooosh. All I'm saying is that with arguably the worst QB situation in the league and with Chan Gailey now coming in to install his version of the spread...I'd be pretty damn surprised if we pass on Mariota if he's still there at #6. Usually when a whole new regime comes in, a new young QB follows. The bottom line is that if Mariota pans out, then he's going to help this team a helluva lot more over the next decade than a potential 10-12 sack a year passrusher like Shane Ray or a potential 1100 yard a year receiver like Cooper or Parker. Let's say Mariota isn't the next Aaron Rodgers but gives us this kind of production every year: Passing: 63% completions, 3700 yards, 25 TD's, 10 INT's Rushing: 500-600 yards, 4-5 TD's You wouldn't take that at #6? I sure as hell would. And I think that's a realistic representation of what Mariota could give you, year in and year out. |
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Post by RobR on Jan 17, 2015 17:53:38 GMT -5
The bottom line is that if Mariota pans out, then he's going to help this team a helluva lot more over the next decade than a potential 10-12 sack a year passrusher like Shane Ray or a potential 1100 yard a year receiver like Cooper or Parker. Let's say Mariota isn't the next Aaron Rodgers but gives us this kind of production every year: Passing: 63% completions, 3700 yards, 25 TD's, 10 INT's Rushing: 500-600 yards, 4-5 TD's You wouldn't take that at #6? I sure as hell would. And I think that's a realistic representation of what Mariota could give you, year in and year out. Or Mariota busts like so many of these spread QB's and Peat and Parker are inducted into the HOF twenty years from now. I understand the need to draft a QB, but not one with all of these question marks when there is some solid talent at the top of this draft. You keep posting these stats that Mariota is going to put up, and how you would be fine with that. We all would be fine with that.....but what if it looks more like: 57% comp, 12td's, 21 int's, and a few torn ligaments and concussions because of how much he runs. I'd rather draft Petty later on and let him sit and learn. |
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Post by Touchable on Jan 17, 2015 18:11:10 GMT -5
The bottom line is that if Mariota pans out, then he's going to help this team a helluva lot more over the next decade than a potential 10-12 sack a year passrusher like Shane Ray or a potential 1100 yard a year receiver like Cooper or Parker. Let's say Mariota isn't the next Aaron Rodgers but gives us this kind of production every year: Passing: 63% completions, 3700 yards, 25 TD's, 10 INT's Rushing: 500-600 yards, 4-5 TD's You wouldn't take that at #6? I sure as hell would. And I think that's a realistic representation of what Mariota could give you, year in and year out. Or Mariota busts like so many of these spread QB's and Peat and Parker are inducted into the HOF twenty years from now. I understand the need to draft a QB, but not one with all of these question marks when there is some solid talent at the top of this draft. You keep posting these stats that Mariota is going to put up, and how you would be fine with that. We all would be fine with that.....but what if it looks more like: 57% comp, 12td's, 21 int's, and a few torn ligaments and concussions because of how much he runs. I'd rather draft Petty later on and let him sit and learn. Or Mariota turns into a legit franchise QB for the next 10+ years while Andrus Peat is the next Jason Smith and DeVante Parker is the next Reggie Williams. I'd rather gamble on the QB if given the choice. I'm not sure why so many just automatically assume that Mariota is going to be injury prone in the NFL. How banged up have guys like Russell Wilson and Kaepernick gotten since coming into the league? It's not like he's some 5'11 180 lb little shit like Manziel who immediately looks to take off and run as soon as his first read is covered. There's no doubt that drafting a QB in the 1st round drastically increases the chances of finding a longterm solution at the position. I really don't care about blowing a 2nd or 3rd round pick on someone like Hundley, Petty or Grayson when odds are that none of them will ever amount to anything more than a career backup at best. |
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Post by RobR on Jan 17, 2015 18:25:18 GMT -5
Or Mariota busts like so many of these spread QB's and Peat and Parker are inducted into the HOF twenty years from now. I understand the need to draft a QB, but not one with all of these question marks when there is some solid talent at the top of this draft. You keep posting these stats that Mariota is going to put up, and how you would be fine with that. We all would be fine with that.....but what if it looks more like: 57% comp, 12td's, 21 int's, and a few torn ligaments and concussions because of how much he runs. I'd rather draft Petty later on and let him sit and learn. Or Mariota turns into a legit franchise QB for the next 10+ years while Andrus Peat is the next Jason Smith and DeVante Parker is the next Reggie Williams. I'd rather gamble on the QB if given the choice. I'm not sure why so many just automatically assume that Mariota is going to be injury prone in the NFL. How banged up have guys like Russell Wilson and Kaepernick gotten since coming into the league? It's not like he's some 5'11 180 lb little shit like Manziel who immediately looks to take off and run as soon as his first read is covered. There's no doubt that drafting a QB in the 1st round drastically increases the chances of finding a longterm solution at the position. I really don't care about blowing a 2nd or 3rd round pick on someone like Hundley, Petty or Grayson when odds are that none of them will ever amount to anything more than a career backup at best. Fair enough and I absolutely understand your reasoning. To make my point sweet and simple.....I don't think Mariota will be the BAP at our slot and it's not even close. Whiffing at #6 will set this franchise back even further and we can't afford to let that happen, regardless of our need for a QB. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes down as one of the worst QB drafts of the last twenty years. |
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 18, 2015 2:21:12 GMT -5
While I understand Gailey could mold Mariota into an effective QB, how much better is he than Geno? Couldn't Geno also thrive in his offense? He has the same tools although not quite as fast and hasn't had his confidence shaken to the point of still learning. I can't help but think the team would take a step back by passing on a top WR or pass rusher. We'll see what the new regime thinks of this soon enough but as of now, I'm not on the Mariota bandwagon especially after seeing more tape of him. I'll pass.
The bad news is there are fewer prospects who transition to the pros with the college offenses that are trending.
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Post by Aussie Jet on Jan 18, 2015 2:57:18 GMT -5
I share Untouchable's opinion. If Mariota is sitting at #6, I don't see how the Jets could pass him up. Geno might have been the "value pick" when he was taken by Idzik in the draft, but he's not anywhere near a lock to be the Jets' QB for the next 10 years. Mariota has the opportunity to be a 10+ year QB for a team when he walks into the green room in a few months. By all reports, he has the work ethic and intelligence to work at his craft at the next level (unlike Johnny Douchebag) so I'm prepared for the Jets to roll the dice on him if he's available.
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Post by heymangold on Jan 20, 2015 19:36:38 GMT -5
i'm an oregon fan first, georgia fan second so i'm slightly biased on this one. i'd love to get Mariota at 6. i think with Chan, the boatload of cap space to bring in a couple more wearpons, he'd be good for us.
Gurley is great, but at 6 i think it might be early for a RB. Tons of great backs in this draft. Gurley, Abdullah, Coleman, Gordon, etc.
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Post by RobR on Jan 20, 2015 20:18:28 GMT -5
i'm an oregon fan first, georgia fan second so i'm slightly biased on this one. i'd love to get Mariota at 6. i think with Chan, the boatload of cap space to bring in a couple more wearpons, he'd be good for us. Gurley is great, but at 6 i think it might be early for a RB. Tons of great backs in this draft. Gurley, Abdullah, Coleman, Gordon, etc. Welcome aboard. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 22, 2015 8:51:35 GMT -5
I was thinking RB too, but the O line needs to be fixed, and the Jets are in desperate need of an edge rusher in addition to a #1 WR. I would add that a decent FS would be high on my list. IMO, taking a RB in the first round is a "finish" the team move. After all, RB's do have the shortest shelf life and the good one's typically become major factors from day one. So, I think the Jets should just target CJ Spiller in free agency. I think they should throw a ton of money at Rahim Moore so they can move Pryor to SS. They can then draft an edge rusher, WR, and OL with their first 3 picks.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 22, 2015 10:58:34 GMT -5
Im so far off the mariota wagon that im watching with binoculars from a distance as I order the airstrike.
In recent memory, The 2015 draft pales only in comparison to the 2014. There's so much talent out there to pick from - that I have no time for a shoehorned QB pick on a "maybe" talent like mariota. Fuck no from the top of my lungs.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 22, 2015 11:33:33 GMT -5
Im so far off the mariota wagon that im watching with binoculars from a distance as I order the airstrike. In recent memory, The 2015 draft pales only in comparison to the 2014. There's so much talent out there to pick from - that I have no time for a shoehorned QB pick on a "maybe" talent like mariota. Fuck no from the top of my lungs. Agreed. Now is the time to assemble the pieces so when a QB is selected in a future draft, he can be placed behind a top 10 O line with playmakers surrounding him. |
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Post by canadasteve on Jan 22, 2015 11:34:38 GMT -5
Here is the problem I see:
I don't necessarily have a problem with drafting Mariota at 6. And if the talk out of Tennessee is true, and they will by-pass him, he COULD be available at 6 (Of course, who knows about the smokescreen with Philly wanting to jump up, but that is here nor there).
Because we draft at the top of each round, we are going to have access to some good players. We have a BOAT-LOAD of cash, so we will probably fix the O'-line and bring in a WR.
Where Mariota becomes a problem for me is this: He should be drafted at 6, and handed a clip board. We still get a vet to compete with Geno, and Mariota does NOT see the field for a year. I think this is why guys like Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, etc...have all turned out to be better QB's. There are not many that can walk in on opening day and play lights out. Give him a year around the league to learn.
That said, I would prefer Amari Cooper, or Brandon Scherff I believe at 6.
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Post by Paradis on Jan 22, 2015 11:46:55 GMT -5
CanadaSteve! Glad you made it!
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