|
Post by Trades on Jul 8, 2021 10:26:56 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Ff2 on Jul 8, 2021 10:27:11 GMT -5
No I disagree, to me thats way less important. It may take decades of research to pinpoint the exact why, when we look back at all this and hopefully learn something but we don't have that luxury right now. From everything I see, looking at where vaccines are being used vs. not...they are working or at the minimum are part of the solution. Obviously I'm not a medical professional so my opinions are just that. Wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong. Id love it if we didn't need the vaccine, believe me. I put the least amount of things in my body as I can. (Interest anal joke here.) Anyway, lifting a Fresca in your honor. I think you're missing my point; I don't have an issue at all with the vaccine. I have a problem with all the #becausescience types who aren't acknowledging science, all while complaining about people need to get their vaccines, wear your masks, the things you went on about, etc., buuuuuuut nothing about immunity. And from a science perspective, not knowing the why is a faith-based approach, so it matters to the #becausescience types, but only sometimes? COMMON! I get it I get it. But we can't even get a large portion of certain areas to get a vaccine, and you want to drill down to something even harder for them to understand. Most of them think the vaccine is an evil government scam, the concept of immunity isnt going to resonate in the least. And its not faith-based at all. I have no idea how my computer works but that doesn't stop me from using it. Personally it's not even science I need its a match and demographics exercise.
|
|
|
Post by Trades on Jul 8, 2021 13:37:13 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Trades on Jul 8, 2021 13:50:13 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Jetworks on Jul 8, 2021 17:43:18 GMT -5
I think you're missing my point; I don't have an issue at all with the vaccine. I have a problem with all the #becausescience types who aren't acknowledging science, all while complaining about people need to get their vaccines, wear your masks, the things you went on about, etc., buuuuuuut nothing about immunity. And from a science perspective, not knowing the why is a faith-based approach, so it matters to the #becausescience types, but only sometimes? COMMON! I get it I get it. But we can't even get a large portion of certain areas to get a vaccine, and you want to drill down to something even harder for them to understand. Most of them think the vaccine is an evil government scam, the concept of immunity isnt going to resonate in the least. And its not faith-based at all. I have no idea how my computer works but that doesn't stop me from using it. Personally it's not even science I need its a match and demographics exercise. No, you don't get it, and you spell that out again in your post. The portions who are refusing are doing so as they don't trust what they are being told because 1) they aren't being told everything, and 2) they MAY not fully understand. BUT, if you tell them, 'hey, there's a good chance that if you had this shit already, you're likely protected, and by extension, able to protect those you come in contact with, so do you.' Instead, we have the WH talking about how it's going to be likely necessary to go door to door to 'encourage' vaccinations. So, how about now? My message remains the same, but I may not be expressing it well. While I appreciate your analogy, it's not remotely apropos. It's a well-established tech with decades of use, the companies responsible for manufacturing it do not enjoy a liability-free profile, and your use or lack thereof is a null-result wherein your health is involved. In the case of the Covied vaccines, you are trusting that the minimal science available 1) confers protection and 2) will not result in harm. Also, you are placing trust in both a profit-motivated oligopoly that enjoys a liability-free profile, despite previous egregious violations of public trust wherein safety data and coverups are concerned, coupled with a Government program that is more draconian than the injury recourse offered for typical vaccine injuries. That's pretty faith-based. Or ideological. Like, maybe even cultish. If you need more practical examples, I recommend looking at Twitter handles. The more dedicated among them have ones that read 'TomBob_11534 Fully Vaccinated he/him.'
|
|
|
Post by Hotman on Jul 9, 2021 5:45:43 GMT -5
I get it I get it. But we can't even get a large portion of certain areas to get a vaccine, and you want to drill down to something even harder for them to understand. Most of them think the vaccine is an evil government scam, the concept of immunity isnt going to resonate in the least. And its not faith-based at all. I have no idea how my computer works but that doesn't stop me from using it. Personally it's not even science I need its a match and demographics exercise. No, you don't get it, and you spell that out again in your post. The portions who are refusing are doing so as they don't trust what they are being told because 1) they aren't being told everything, and 2) they MAY not fully understand. BUT, if you tell them, 'hey, there's a good chance that if you had this shit already, you're likely protected, and by extension, able to protect those you come in contact with, so do you.' Instead, we have the WH talking about how it's going to be likely necessary to go door to door to 'encourage' vaccinations. So, how about now? My message remains the same, but I may not be expressing it well. While I appreciate your analogy, it's not remotely apropos. It's a well-established tech with decades of use, the companies responsible for manufacturing it do not enjoy a liability-free profile, and your use or lack thereof is a null-result wherein your health is involved. In the case of the Covied vaccines, you are trusting that the minimal science available 1) confers protection and 2) will not result in harm. Also, you are placing trust in both a profit-motivated oligopoly that enjoys a liability-free profile, despite previous egregious violations of public trust wherein safety data and coverups are concerned, coupled with a Government program that is more draconian than the injury recourse offered for typical vaccine injuries. That's pretty faith-based. Or ideological. Like, maybe even cultish. If you need more practical examples, I recommend looking at Twitter handles. The more dedicated among them have ones that read 'TomBob_11534 Fully Vaccinated he/him.' Unfortunately... FDub done dipped! Maybe he'll see this on his wellness check in a few months, or after he's got enough buzzwords to gasli....respond with.
|
|
|
Post by Jetworks on Jul 9, 2021 7:15:58 GMT -5
I'll make this even easier; if you believe that the vaccine is effective, you MUST believe that those who have had Covid-19 are more than likely immune to future infection and cannot infect others.
If you don't accept that, you're either a science-denier and/or motivated by some other ideology.
|
|
|
Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jul 9, 2021 7:26:16 GMT -5
Dude - you used to be fat and kinda funny. Now you’re just fat. Give it a rest fatso. Actually, we need a resident lib mental patient here that twists him/her/their self into mental knots trying to translate the absolute garbage and nonsense being spewed by the anti-American left. You’re like the Hampurs version of Combs from the old Hannity and Combs show. Except you’re decidedly uglier and much fatter. Welcome back fat boy. 😎 Hi Mr. Sunshine, I just like to pop into this echo chamber you've got going on occasion to see if you're OK. See you in 3 months. Carry on my friend. You don’t know me at all. I’m actually a pretty happy go lucky guy in real life and much of what I post is meant to be humorous (gallows humor when it comes to the Jets). And, get this, I’m even a Jets fan although they have been bottom dwellers for a decade (this is a Jets message board after all). You, on the other hand, hang around a Jets message board even though you’re a pats fan and you used to be kinda funny but have become simply a megaphone for spewing left wing bullshit. Actually, I get it - you get off being on internet sites to take the opposite view of the majority (pats fan on Jets board, lib dipshit on a mostly Republican section of the site). Nice life fatso. See ya in 3 months.
|
|
|
Post by Ff2 on Jul 9, 2021 12:28:41 GMT -5
I'll make this even easier; if you believe that the vaccine is effective, you MUST believe that those who have had Covid-19 are more than likely immune to future infection and cannot infect others. If you don't accept that, you're either a science-denier and/or motivated by some other ideology. I can accept "more than likely". BUT I also believe those who got really sick from Covid-19 may have some serious long term health issues down the line. IMHO I'd MUCH rather prevent it in the first place with a vaccine. If you feel you'ld rather get it, hoping for a mild case then we can disagree on that. (I'm also on the plus side of 60 with other complications.) I hope thats where were at cuz this is boring.
|
|
|
Post by Ff2 on Jul 9, 2021 12:34:39 GMT -5
Hi Mr. Sunshine, I just like to pop into this echo chamber you've got going on occasion to see if you're OK. See you in 3 months. Carry on my friend. You don’t know me at all. I’m actually a pretty happy go lucky guy in real life and much of what I post is meant to be humorous (gallows humor when it comes to the Jets). And, get this, I’m even a Jets fan although they have been bottom dwellers for a decade (this is a Jets message board after all). You, on the other hand, hang around a Jets message board even though you’re a pats fan and you used to be kinda funny but have become simply a megaphone for spewing left wing bullshit. Actually, I get it - you get off being on internet sites to take the opposite view of the majority (pats fan on Jets board, lib dipshit on a mostly Republican section of the site). Nice life fatso. See ya in 3 months. Calm down. It's not personal. I'm sure you boys can handle an opposing opinion now and again. If not, and you just want to keep this section "Republican" I'll gladly stop. Might want to rename it though.
|
|
|
Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jul 9, 2021 12:41:44 GMT -5
You don’t know me at all. I’m actually a pretty happy go lucky guy in real life and much of what I post is meant to be humorous (gallows humor when it comes to the Jets). And, get this, I’m even a Jets fan although they have been bottom dwellers for a decade (this is a Jets message board after all). You, on the other hand, hang around a Jets message board even though you’re a pats fan and you used to be kinda funny but have become simply a megaphone for spewing left wing bullshit. Actually, I get it - you get off being on internet sites to take the opposite view of the majority (pats fan on Jets board, lib dipshit on a mostly Republican section of the site). Nice life fatso. See ya in 3 months. Calm down. It's not personal. I'm sure you boys can handle an opposing opinion now and again. If not, and you just want to keep this section "Republican" I'll gladly stop. Might want to rename it though. You’re welcome to stay. We accept all kinds 😀. But I’m onto you - you enjoy being the voice of dissent. As Trollz go, you’re an OK kinda fella tho and definitely not as wacky as some of the libs out there. You’re post about Victoria Secret was way off tho - women don’t want to look sexy in lingerie anymore? Bullshit. They went woke and will soon go broke. Every woman I ever met wants to look hot and they aren’t taking fashion advice on how to look sexy from that butch anti-American soccer player.
|
|
|
Post by Ff2 on Jul 9, 2021 12:54:12 GMT -5
Calm down. It's not personal. I'm sure you boys can handle an opposing opinion now and again. If not, and you just want to keep this section "Republican" I'll gladly stop. Might want to rename it though. You’re welcome to stay. We accept all kinds 😀. But I’m onto you - you enjoy being the voice of dissent. As Trollz go, you’re an OK kinda fella tho and definitely not as wacky as some of the libs out there. You’re post about Victoria Secret was way off tho - women don’t want to look sexy in lingerie anymore? Bullshit. They went woke and will soon go broke. Every woman I ever met wants to look hot and they aren’t taking fashion advice on how to look sexy from that butch anti-American soccer player. VS was going broke long before the went woke bro. This is desperation on their part and they're too late. Healthy is the new sexy. Athleta and Lululemon already crush VS. Numbers don't lie. I enjoy your grumpy schtick. Ive always been on to you. And I'm no troll. I like listening to all kinds of opinions, that why I'm here. Believe it or not I've learned alot from people I disagree with. We have to be able to disagree. I used to be much further left believe it or not. To be honest the culture wars bore me. But I do care about government.
|
|
|
Post by Trades on Jul 9, 2021 13:49:12 GMT -5
You’re welcome to stay. We accept all kinds 😀. But I’m onto you - you enjoy being the voice of dissent. As Trollz go, you’re an OK kinda fella tho and definitely not as wacky as some of the libs out there. You’re post about Victoria Secret was way off tho - women don’t want to look sexy in lingerie anymore? Bullshit. They went woke and will soon go broke. Every woman I ever met wants to look hot and they aren’t taking fashion advice on how to look sexy from that butch anti-American soccer player. VS was going broke long before the went woke bro. This is desperation on their part and they're too late. Healthy is the new sexy. Athleta and Lululemon already crush VS. Numbers don't lie. I enjoy your grumpy schtick. Ive always been on to you. And I'm no troll. I like listening to all kinds of opinions, that why I'm here. Believe it or not I've learned alot from people I disagree with. We have to be able to disagree. I used to be much further left believe it or not. To be honest the culture wars bore me. But I do care about government. Fuck you! No we don't!!!
|
|
|
Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jul 9, 2021 13:50:36 GMT -5
You’re welcome to stay. We accept all kinds 😀. But I’m onto you - you enjoy being the voice of dissent. As Trollz go, you’re an OK kinda fella tho and definitely not as wacky as some of the libs out there. You’re post about Victoria Secret was way off tho - women don’t want to look sexy in lingerie anymore? Bullshit. They went woke and will soon go broke. Every woman I ever met wants to look hot and they aren’t taking fashion advice on how to look sexy from that butch anti-American soccer player. VS was going broke long before the went woke bro. This is desperation on their part and they're too late. Healthy is the new sexy. Athleta and Lululemon already crush VS. Numbers don't lie. I enjoy your grumpy schtick. Ive always been on to you. And I'm no troll. I like listening to all kinds of opinions, that why I'm here. Believe it or not I've learned alot from people I disagree with. We have to be able to disagree. I used to be much further left believe it or not. To be honest the culture wars bore me. But I do care about government. There was and never will be anything sexy about Meghan Rapino. Never ever. 🤮 But you are the guy who loved Lena Dunham and Rachel Madcow.
|
|
|
Post by Jetworks on Jul 9, 2021 15:03:14 GMT -5
I'll make this even easier; if you believe that the vaccine is effective, you MUST believe that those who have had Covid-19 are more than likely immune to future infection and cannot infect others. If you don't accept that, you're either a science-denier and/or motivated by some other ideology. I can accept "more than likely". BUT I also believe those who got really sick from Covid-19 may have some serious long term health issues down the line. IMHO I'd MUCH rather prevent it in the first place with a vaccine. If you feel you'ld rather get it, hoping for a mild case then we can disagree on that. (I'm also on the plus side of 60 with other complications.) I hope thats where were at cuz this is boring. I had it, moderate case and I recovered fine. You're all over the place on this, and you're bored so I'll stop trying to make my point.
|
|