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Post by Ff2 on Aug 30, 2021 14:47:14 GMT -5
Yes, its my fault, obviously. I was more curious if you are still happy with his performance. Depends on what specifically you are talking about. I'll go out on a limb and say Afghanistan. I'm glad be followed through on Trump's plan to withdraw. Someone finally had the balls to do it. And I'll quote my enlisted son-in-law. "Alot of lies were told to get us in and its was always gonna end this way." This is what happens when you lose wars. Easy to blame the last guy but it comes with the job. |
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Post by Trades on Aug 30, 2021 14:55:49 GMT -5
I was more curious if you are still happy with his performance. Depends on what specifically you are talking about. I don't have time to find your specific words but you made a comment stating you were happy with everything Biden was doing. Wondering if you might be changing your mind on that. |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 30, 2021 15:02:14 GMT -5
Depends on what specifically you are talking about. I don't have time to find your specific words but you made a comment stating you were happy with everything Biden was doing. Wondering if you might be changing your mind on that. Response above...also, I'll never be happy with everything anyone does, just like you with Trump (I assume). If Biden had stayed and 12 servicemen died, "blood would be on his hands" too...thats how it works. |
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Post by Trades on Aug 30, 2021 15:09:05 GMT -5
I don't have time to find your specific words but you made a comment stating you were happy with everything Biden was doing. Wondering if you might be changing your mind on that. Response above...also, I'll never be happy with everything anyone does, just like you with Trump (I assume). If Biden had stayed and 12 servicemen died, "blood would be on his hands" too...thats how it works. I agree with the first comment but the second has a lot to do with degree of responsibility. Leaving behind billions of dollars of equipment that they are using to kill people was a screw up beyond imagination IMO. The context regarding those soldier's deaths has a lot to do with degree of responsibility. |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 30, 2021 15:13:31 GMT -5
Response above...also, I'll never be happy with everything anyone does, just like you with Trump (I assume). If Biden had stayed and 12 servicemen died, "blood would be on his hands" too...thats how it works. I agree with the first comment but the second has a lot to do with degree of responsibility. Leaving behind billions of dollars of equipment that they are using to kill people was a screw up beyond imagination IMO. The context regarding those soldier's deaths has a lot to do with degree of responsibility. Do you think they wouldn't kill those people anyway? As I say, the buck stops with him. Every present has deaths on his record (domestically as well) with differing degrees of responsibility. Huge mistakes were made for sure. But I'll just say, you don't withdraw from a war cleanly...ever. We left $5B in Viet Nam. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Aug 30, 2021 15:14:54 GMT -5
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Post by Trades on Aug 30, 2021 15:17:49 GMT -5
I agree with the first comment but the second has a lot to do with degree of responsibility. Leaving behind billions of dollars of equipment that they are using to kill people was a screw up beyond imagination IMO. The context regarding those soldier's deaths has a lot to do with degree of responsibility. Do you think they wouldn't kill those people anyway? As I say, the buck stops with him. Every present has deaths on his record (domestically as well) with differing degrees of responsibility. Huge mistakes were made for sure. But I'll just say, you don't withdraw from a war cleanly...ever. It was a complete shit show. No man left behind and all. Not to mention that you don't pull soldiers our before equipment and civilians. They were worried about the optics of bringing in more soldiers which could have made it a clean withdrawl. General Miley said that they wouldn't give him enough soldiers to hold Bagram so it sounds like they didn't listen to the generals. |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 30, 2021 15:20:48 GMT -5
Do you think they wouldn't kill those people anyway? As I say, the buck stops with him. Every present has deaths on his record (domestically as well) with differing degrees of responsibility. Huge mistakes were made for sure. But I'll just say, you don't withdraw from a war cleanly...ever. It was a complete shit show. No man left behind and all. Not to mention that you don't pull soldiers our before equipment and civilians. They were worried about the optics of bringing in more soldiers which could have made it a clean withdrawl. General Miley said that they wouldn't give him enough soldiers to hold Bagram so it sounds like they didn't listen to the generals. I don't disagree with you on this. “You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have.” Donald Rumsfeld. ― Donald Rumsfeld |
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Post by Trades on Aug 30, 2021 15:37:25 GMT -5
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Post by RobR on Aug 30, 2021 16:37:22 GMT -5
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Post by jay57 on Aug 30, 2021 16:49:54 GMT -5
I was more curious if you are still happy with his performance. Depends on what specifically you are talking about. I'll go out on a limb and say Afghanistan. I'm glad be followed through on Trump's plan to withdraw. Someone finally had the balls to do it. And I'll quote my enlisted son-in-law. "Alot of lies were told to get us in and its was always gonna end this way." This is what happens when you lose wars. Easy to blame the last guy but it comes with the job. What kind of moron withdraws the military with 10's of thousands of Americans still in the country? Does he get a pass for that? |
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Post by southparkcpa on Aug 30, 2021 17:58:06 GMT -5
Depends on what specifically you are talking about. I'll go out on a limb and say Afghanistan. I'm glad be followed through on Trump's plan to withdraw. Someone finally had the balls to do it. And I'll quote my enlisted son-in-law. "Alot of lies were told to get us in and its was always gonna end this way." This is what happens when you lose wars. Easy to blame the last guy but it comes with the job. What kind of moron withdraws the military with 10's of thousands of Americans still in the country? Does he get a pass for that? Most dems can’t govern. It’s a policy of ideals. Biden and Harris appear to be really inept. OBAMA and Clinton I believe wouldnt have screwed this up. As British Parliament stated, Biden has made the world subject to China moving forward. Google it. We will fall from number 1 in world. We were number 1 in education in the 70s. After the department of ED was established, empowering Unions, we are now not even top 20. Government fucks everything up…… |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 30, 2021 19:25:53 GMT -5
Depends on what specifically you are talking about. I'll go out on a limb and say Afghanistan. I'm glad be followed through on Trump's plan to withdraw. Someone finally had the balls to do it. And I'll quote my enlisted son-in-law. "Alot of lies were told to get us in and its was always gonna end this way." This is what happens when you lose wars. Easy to blame the last guy but it comes with the job. What kind of moron withdraws the military with 10's of thousands of Americans still in the country? Does he get a pass for that? Who said anything about giving him a pass? |
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Post by Ff2 on Aug 30, 2021 19:33:23 GMT -5
What kind of moron withdraws the military with 10's of thousands of Americans still in the country? Does he get a pass for that? Most dems can’t govern. It’s a policy of ideals. Biden and Harris appear to be really inept. OBAMA and Clinton I believe wouldnt have screwed this up. As British Parliament stated, Biden has made the world subject to China moving forward. Google it. We will fall from number 1 in world. We were number 1 in education in the 70s. After the department of ED was established, empowering Unions, we are now not even top 20. Government fucks everything up…… You’re all over the place, Dems can’t govern but Obama and Clinton would have done fine? And the Dept of Ed. doesn’t empowers unions, unions do. To single out education is disingenuous. Weve steadily declined in all areas including healthcare. Has nothing to do with government. Has everything to do with $$$. Who cares what Parliament says, UK isn’t really one to talk with what they’ve done recently. Why do you talk as if the GOP hasn’t been in control for just as many years as Dems? They somehow bear no responsibility for our slipping? |
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Post by southparkcpa on Aug 30, 2021 19:51:08 GMT -5
Most dems can’t govern. It’s a policy of ideals. Biden and Harris appear to be really inept. OBAMA and Clinton I believe wouldnt have screwed this up. As British Parliament stated, Biden has made the world subject to China moving forward. Google it. We will fall from number 1 in world. We were number 1 in education in the 70s. After the department of ED was established, empowering Unions, we are now not even top 20. Government fucks everything up…… You’re all over the place, Dems can’t govern but Obama and Clinton would have done fine? And the Dept of Ed. doesn’t empowers unions, unions do. To single out education is disingenuous. Weve steadily declined in all areas including healthcare. Has nothing to do with government. Has everything to do with $$$. Who cares what Parliament says, UK isn’t really one to talk with what they’ve done recently. Why do you talk as if the GOP hasn’t been in control for just as many years as Dems? They somehow bear no responsibility for our slipping? Democratic policies are failing….. look at our major cities. Biden voters have blood on their hands. Look at him listen to him. It’s sad. His wife is a POS so is his crack addict son. Too tired to write more. |
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