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Post by crossfire on Mar 9, 2021 10:14:16 GMT -5
This has been my preferred route for a while now when it comes to trading Darnold. Ever since I saw it proposed in a mock a few weeks ago. It’s become increasingly obvious that the Jets are going to move on from Sam and that Watson is a pipe dream. Darnold and #23 for #12 is a good deal for both sides and pretty realistic if you ask me. Puts Darnold’s value at a high 2nd round pick. Walking away with Wilson/Fields at #2 and then grabbing someone like Slater, Pitts, Waddle or D.Smith at #12 would go a helluva long way towards building a rock solid foundation on offense. Still need to strengthen that O-Line.
Who was that Free Agent O-Lineman that was being talked about here that the Jets should go after?
Joe Thuney from the pats. He will cost a pretty penny ($15+ AAV) but he’s only 28 & great at run & pass blocking). EDIT: As predicted, the Pats did not franchise tag him.
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Post by vin on Mar 9, 2021 17:28:55 GMT -5
Still need to strengthen that O-Line.
Who was that Free Agent O-Lineman that was being talked about here that the Jets should go after?
Joe Thuney from the pats. He will cost a pretty penny ($15+ AAV) but he’s only 28 & great at run & pass blocking). EDIT: As predicted, the Pats did not franchise tag him.
Joe D better be all over that shit.
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Post by Hotman on Mar 10, 2021 7:27:24 GMT -5
So if nothing grabs your attention for a Darnold trade the n why not keep him and still draft a qb at 2? Werent the chargers in a similar boat years ago with Brees and Rivers? Also, the training camp and early season injuries inevitably happen. There will be a QB that goes down early and Jets could get good compensation at that time. Jets are in the drivers seat imho. 2nd rounder doesnt get it done. Not at this point anyway. That's what I said and I think someone said it was irresponsible or something like that. I don't see why you wouldn't do that to see if the kid is worth anything, while letting the rookie not shit all over himself like we've been doing since forever
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Post by crossfire on Mar 10, 2021 18:36:33 GMT -5
So if nothing grabs your attention for a Darnold trade the n why not keep him and still draft a qb at 2? Werent the chargers in a similar boat years ago with Brees and Rivers? Also, the training camp and early season injuries inevitably happen. There will be a QB that goes down early and Jets could get good compensation at that time. Jets are in the drivers seat imho. 2nd rounder doesnt get it done. Not at this point anyway. That's what I said and I think someone said it was irresponsible or something like that. I don't see why you wouldn't do that to see if the kid is worth anything, while letting the rookie not shit all over himself like we've been doing since forever I hate the idea of keeping Sam & drafting a QB. Sam is not an accomplished veteran. He’s basically been shitting all over himself. If we’re keeping him, he needs to play. Not have a young kid waiting in the wings so the fans can scream for him every time Sam screws up. Now if we drafted a QB, I would not mind bringing in a veteran QB to start the season & bring the rookie along slowly.
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Post by Hotman on Mar 12, 2021 5:38:01 GMT -5
That's what I said and I think someone said it was irresponsible or something like that. I don't see why you wouldn't do that to see if the kid is worth anything, while letting the rookie not shit all over himself like we've been doing since forever I hate the idea of keeping Sam & drafting a QB. Sam is not an accomplished veteran. He’s basically been shitting all over himself. If we’re keeping him, he needs to play. Not have a young kid waiting in the wings so the fans can scream for him every time Sam screws up. Now if we drafted a QB, I would not mind bringing in a veteran QB to start the season & bring the rookie along slowly. Well don't cry if he suddenly looks like the Trevor Lawrence he was supposed to be in SF and the rookie is out there seeing ghosts and getting shell-shocked like it's groundhog day up in here but with different faces
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Post by crossfire on Mar 12, 2021 6:51:48 GMT -5
I hate the idea of keeping Sam & drafting a QB. Sam is not an accomplished veteran. He’s basically been shitting all over himself. If we’re keeping him, he needs to play. Not have a young kid waiting in the wings so the fans can scream for him every time Sam screws up. Now if we drafted a QB, I would not mind bringing in a veteran QB to start the season & bring the rookie along slowly. Well don't cry if he suddenly looks like the Trevor Lawrence he was supposed to be in SF and the rookie is out there seeing ghosts and getting shell-shocked like it's groundhog day up in here but with different faces I’ve already said that I’m not against keeping him. But if you keep him, you have to trade the second pick for a ransom & give Sam weapons. JD & Saleh have to make a fucking decision.
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Post by frostlich on Mar 12, 2021 7:43:50 GMT -5
2 criticisms I read about yesterday:
Z Wilson injury prone..torn labrums and concern about durability/Baker Mayfield tendancies
Fields a system QB. Does not read defenses well.
Maybe trading back is a strong consideration?
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Post by cgjet on Mar 12, 2021 8:46:33 GMT -5
I'd have to say keep him. The two QB's after Lawrence don't scream, can't miss, franchise QB to me. I'm leaning toward building the team, providing protection and weapons for Darnold. At that point, if he does not respond, part ways with him. His trade value will undoubtedly diminish, but from what I'm reading, it may not even be a 2nd rounder now. At that point, the Jets will likely have a top 8 pick, so depending on the QB class, move up and get one, or if no one blows off the doors, get a serviceable veteran, continue to build the team, and get one the following year. The Jets have Morgan and could continue to develop him but there seems to be little news on his progress. The downside of all this. How many years are the Jets going to have to wait to get their QB? I am not in favor of wasting a 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick on a QB.
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Post by vin on Mar 12, 2021 15:16:29 GMT -5
2 criticisms I read about yesterday: Z Wilson injury prone..torn labrums and concern about durability/Baker Mayfield tendancies
Fields a system QB. Does not read defenses well. Maybe trading back is a strong consideration?
Whoa whoa WHOA!!!
This is the first I've heard of this!!!
If this is true, then to hell with Drafting Sadface's golden boy Z.Will.
Keep Sam, then trade the pick and get him a WR, another Running back, and SIGN THUNEY for the OL.
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Post by crossfire on Mar 12, 2021 18:15:13 GMT -5
2 criticisms I read about yesterday: Z Wilson injury prone..torn labrums and concern about durability/Baker Mayfield tendancies
Fields a system QB. Does not read defenses well. Maybe trading back is a strong consideration?
Whoa whoa WHOA!!!
This is the first I've heard of this!!!
If this is true, then to hell with Drafting Sadface's golden boy Z.Will.
Keep Sam, then trade the pick and get him a WR, another Running back, and SIGN THUNEY for the OL.
So you have really done zero research into the player? You do know Sam has injury history too, right?
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Post by vin on Mar 13, 2021 12:03:43 GMT -5
Whoa whoa WHOA!!!
This is the first I've heard of this!!!
If this is true, then to hell with Drafting Sadface's golden boy Z.Will.
Keep Sam, then trade the pick and get him a WR, another Running back, and SIGN THUNEY for the OL.
So you have really done zero research into the player? You do know Sam has injury history too, right?
Did Sam have an injury history prior to the Jets selecting him in the Draft? I forget.
EDIT : Just looked and found out the only injury he suffered prior to the Jets drafting him was a Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull he suffered in 2017 which kept him out for much of that year but didn't miss any college games. ( source : sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/sam-darnold/9963 )
Anyway, Sam did have some issues AFTER he was selected :
Surprised he's still in one piece after the crappy O-Line he's had at the start of his NFL career.
Though, the only injury Sam currently has is his Face 'cause he looks like Shrek. (oh and he had Mono because he was careless)
And I don't do research. I only go by what people say here.
Why do research when you have others do it already (and BETTER)?
So when someone like frostlich (who isn't known to bullshit around here) mentions stuff like that, It grabs my attention because then I think "Why would the Jets take a Risk like that? I thought Zach Williams was the Cat's Meow and could walk on Water or some shit, with all the dick-sucking around here, you know?"
I initially was settled on the idea of the Jets getting him only 'cause I have not heard of any injury concerns (and other issues Frostlich brought up) and what-not about him.
Now it's a whole new ballgame.
And the chances of Sam sticking around long-term increase significantly (of course if he shits the bed again without Gase, then we move on but I digress)
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Mar 13, 2021 13:02:36 GMT -5
So you have really done zero research into the player? You do know Sam has injury history too, right?
Did Sam have an injury history prior to the Jets selecting him in the Draft? I forget.
EDIT : Just looked and found out the only injury he suffered prior to the Jets drafting him was a Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull he suffered in 2017 which kept him out for much of that year but didn't miss any college games. ( source : sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/sam-darnold/9963 )
Anyway, Sam did have some issues AFTER he was selected :
Surprised he's still in one piece after the crappy O-Line he's had at the start of his NFL career.
Though, the only injury Sam currently has is his Face 'cause he looks like Shrek. (oh and he had Mono because he was careless)
And I don't do research. I only go by what people say here.
Why do research when you have others do it already (and BETTER)?
So when someone like frostlich (who isn't known to bullshit around here) mentions stuff like that, It grabs my attention because then I think "Why would the Jets take a Risk like that? I thought Zach Williams was the Cat's Meow and could walk on Water or some shit, with all the dick-sucking around here, you know?"
I initially was settled on the idea of the Jets getting him only 'cause I have not heard of any injury concerns (and other issues Frostlich brought up) and what-not about him.
Now it's a whole new ballgame.
And the chances of Sam sticking around long-term increase significantly (of course if he shits the bed again without Gase, then we move on but I digress)
Face injury. Shrek. 😂 lol my man
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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 13, 2021 13:11:40 GMT -5
Sucks that he needed shoulder surgery but judging by his performance this past season I would say the surgery was a success. Wilson's arm is one of his strengths.
Im not in love with any of the QBs. Right now Wilson is the flavor of the week. I expect Fields to start getting the hype momentum in the next couple of weeks. Neither of them are sure things.
Which is why my preference is still the pipe dream.
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