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Post by Trades on Aug 25, 2021 9:29:12 GMT -5
Not that is a hell of a story. WTF?!?!? Drugs are bad, m'kay. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Aug 25, 2021 9:32:47 GMT -5
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Post by bxjetfan on Aug 25, 2021 9:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 25, 2021 9:42:47 GMT -5
That's the exception. You can find anecdotal stories about tourists in the US being assaulted, robbed, and killed too. I won't even bother to look them up, but you can if you'd like. |
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Post by RobR on Aug 25, 2021 9:45:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure why you're comparing presidential hopefuls versus the actual POTUS who actually got the deal done. Talk about comparing apples and oranges. Well no, Trump is not the president now, so discussing what he would do is a moot point, because he can't do any of it. He has no authority, 0. if you want, you can keep discussing what he would do, thats your choice. I'd be more interested to hear what you personally think the right solution moving forward would be. Who was the president when the agreement was reached that we would be leaving Afghanistan? |
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Post by bxjetfan on Aug 25, 2021 9:47:21 GMT -5
That's the exception. You can find anecdotal stories about tourists in the US being assaulted, robbed, and killed too. I won't even bother to look them up, but you can if you'd like. LOL |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 25, 2021 10:02:54 GMT -5
I don't think it's about islam. I've been living in Egypt for the past two years, and yeah they're muslim, but when you talk to them, especially the younger people, they want more freedom, not less. A lot of muslims agree with women working and being educated, being able to choose what they want to wear, voting for their politicians etc. I mean thats what the whole Arab Spring was about, and that's what Egyptians fought for, for a fairer, freer, richer, and democratic system. I've never lived in Afghanistan, nor have I spoken politics with anyone from there, so I don't have a general idea of what they want. Almost no muslims I've met in my life have ever said they want sharia in the US or to spread. There's a big difference between "islam" and "muslims." So many people here drink and smoke hasish, and the younger generation is only getting more and more open. I've spoken with muslims from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Lebanon, Palestine, Yemen, syria, Qatar, etc., and none of them have ever told me their vision of the world is for islam to spread or be a certain way or to make others follow, and most of them have very open minds. If your only source of "what muslims want and how they view the world" is through the news, then yeah, they're showing people with extreme views because it scares people and gets views. Look at the Middle East before the 1980's, women were showing cleavage and wearing short skirts. Christianity says to stone a woman to death if she's not a virgin, but (most I hope) christians wouldn't agree to that. If you come to a muslim country, I guarantee you'll be treated with more respect and generosity then you would if you were in the US, at least that's been my experience in the Arab world. The Taliban leader, who is barely being opposed, is on the record that Sharia Law is his goal for Afghanistan for now and eventually globally. Until "the good people" really take to the street and kick the dictators out then the evil will rule. Then you have the problem of power corrupting etc too. I am sure "the people" of Cuba and Venezuela would like some food and freedom but their dictators have control. I am sure "the people" of many African countries would like food and freedom but the war lords have control. I don't disagree anywhere here, it's self evident. Which makes my point, evil rulers do not necessarily represent the "people." Of course I am against religious rule of any nation and spreading it by force. The "Arab spring" wasn't about freedom or at least that isn't what resulted. It recreated a huge slave market in Libya and destabilized a lot of the middle east. A good friend of mine is an Egyptian Christian and he always talks about the downfall of Egypt. The sentiments in Egypt and criticisms of the result of the Arab Spring has been that what was created was another "fake democracy," which many Egyptians are against. And Egypt is not going through a downfall, they have been quickly improving their infrastructure and continuing their large project call the "New Capital" since Sisi became president. They are still poor of course, but not going into a "downfall." They actually fought to keep the muslim brotherhood out of power (Morsi).Humanity is a shit show and most people will go about their lives ignoring the evil above them while they eek out their meager existence. Few will fight for freedom and many sheep will insult America (from inside and out) using our faults to try to reduce American exceptionalism to be considered beneath communist and Islamic regimes that have been responsible for the greatest evils of our time. There are fair criticisms to be made about America. And since I hold none of those positions, I won't say anything about this. Hopefully, some day, Islam will soften and become more civilized like Christianity. I am an atheist so using the bible as a barb was pointless. My point about christianity has nothing to do with being a "barb," rather, I used to to illustrate the difference between the "religion" and the "people," and how they are not the same and can become softer. And your sentence of becoming "softer" is what I'm trying to say. In the muslim world this IS happening amongst the people, especially the younger generation. I'm not talking about the religion nor the leaders. |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 25, 2021 10:04:44 GMT -5
Well no, Trump is not the president now, so discussing what he would do is a moot point, because he can't do any of it. He has no authority, 0. if you want, you can keep discussing what he would do, thats your choice. I'd be more interested to hear what you personally think the right solution moving forward would be. Who was the president when the agreement was reached that we would be leaving Afghanistan? Who cares, he's not president now. Why not discuss what Bush would have done since he was the president who started the war in the first place? |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 25, 2021 10:13:14 GMT -5
That's the exception. You can find anecdotal stories about tourists in the US being assaulted, robbed, and killed too. I won't even bother to look them up, but you can if you'd like. LOL So let's generalize millions of people based on anecdotal evidence from the worst people that live somewhere. Do you understand statistics at all, or understand that this is in an absolute minority of how middle eastern people behave and think? Look up the stats, more tourists are killed in the US than any other country except china lol. I was going to keep googling stories, but your point is so stupid that I'd be wasting my time doing it. www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/22/florida-britons-shot-dead-trial |
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Post by RobR on Aug 25, 2021 10:15:54 GMT -5
Who was the president when the agreement was reached that we would be leaving Afghanistan? Who cares, he's not president now. Why not discuss what Bush would have done since he was the president who started the war in the first place? Because it was his administration that brokered the deal in the first place. Why we would discuss what Bush would do when he had zero to do with us getting out. Why is that so hard for you to understand. |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 25, 2021 10:28:16 GMT -5
Who cares, he's not president now. Why not discuss what Bush would have done since he was the president who started the war in the first place? Because it was his administration that brokered the deal in the first place. Why we would discuss what Bush would do when he had zero to do with us getting out. Why is that so hard for you to understand. Ok man, keep talking about what Trump would do, it'll do..... what exactly? Isn't he supposed to get secretly inaugurated any day now anyways? I heard the military will put him in the White House in a coup d'etat. Maybe you're just on some galaxy brain thinking that my feeble mind can't comprehend. |
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Post by RobR on Aug 25, 2021 10:43:11 GMT -5
Because it was his administration that brokered the deal in the first place. Why we would discuss what Bush would do when he had zero to do with us getting out. Why is that so hard for you to understand. Ok man, keep talking about what Trump would do, it'll do..... what exactly? Isn't he supposed to get secretly inaugurated any day now anyways? I heard the military will put him in the White House in a coup d'etat. Maybe you're just on some galaxy brain thinking that my feeble mind can't comprehend. You can't comprehend, especially when you bring up names like Bush, Cruz, and Gabbard but fail to see the relevance of the actual administration that brokered the deal. |
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Post by nyjetsfan11 on Aug 25, 2021 10:47:46 GMT -5
Ok man, keep talking about what Trump would do, it'll do..... what exactly? Isn't he supposed to get secretly inaugurated any day now anyways? I heard the military will put him in the White House in a coup d'etat. Maybe you're just on some galaxy brain thinking that my feeble mind can't comprehend. You can't comprehend, especially when you bring up names like Bush, Cruz, and Gabbard but fail to see the relevance of the actual administration that brokered the deal. I can only say this once more: It doesn't matter who brokered the deal because the one who did, has no power. Trump has just as much power to make decisions as Bush, Cruz and Gabbard, and that would be.............0. Unless he's given authority, he can't do anything. Let's pretend I'm missing something, what will talking about trumps plan do? Practically speaking. |
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Post by shakin on Aug 25, 2021 10:55:25 GMT -5
Look up the stats, more tourists are killed in the US than any other country except china lol.
using total numbers rather than comparing % by size of population is junk science. i mean democrat science. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Aug 25, 2021 11:15:35 GMT -5
So let's generalize millions of people based on anecdotal evidence from the worst people that live somewhere. Do you understand statistics at all, or understand that this is in an absolute minority of how middle eastern people behave and think? Look up the stats, more tourists are killed in the US than any other country except china lol. I was going to keep googling stories, but your point is so stupid that I'd be wasting my time doing it. www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/22/florida-britons-shot-dead-trialLOL |
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