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Post by Jetworks on May 14, 2022 17:53:38 GMT -5
Well now that's going back to a very basic argument. I'm the same as you with my feelings for my current job. But it's way more complicated than that at this point. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is. If it just comes down to my happiness, then I will end up staying in my current role as a staff RN. But $30k helps with a lot of other things which bring me happiness as well, as does the potential to make a different kind of difference, not to mention career choices. No easy answer, bud a few things to consider: net net does it put you into another tax bracket? run the numbers and see what the actual net gain in your pocket will be. i'm assuming your OT is at least time and a half... keep in mind that being on the clock vs. being salaried, you will likely end up taking a lot of the job (and work) home with you (i know i did), and put in a hell of a lot more than a 40 hour week. can you handle managing people that may not have the same work ethic as you? this issue is getting worse and worse with each new generation in the workforce. they are entitled and difficult to manage will you be HAPPY in the new role? if you are truly happy in your present role you really can't put a price on that what was your desired career path when you went into this field? does this align with it? do the other people in similar roles/responsibilities seem happy in their jobs? what are the complaints you may hear from them? how much additional stress will this bring into your life? is it worth a 30k bump minus taxes? that's all i got for now It definitely won't put me into a another tax bracket. I realize that salary will result in some days of work at home, but I also plan to try and offset that by asking to work 10 hour days as opposed to 8; the offset is having an extra day off where I won't mind as much then. I won't be happier, but I may be happy. This role is an enormous validation for me. I didn't have a career path as a RN; this changes that thought process, hence why it's such a tough decision for me. The team I will be working with all like and respect me; so no worries there. The people higher up also like and respect me, but will now also have to answer to me regarding their performance. My title (Director) and profession (RN) place me at a disadvantage as they are all department heads (Chiefs, AVPs, etc) and higher credentialed (MDs, PAs, advanced RNs). That said, I am good at getting people to go along with me, and I am sure that's been discussed as a reason for my consideration as a candidate. |
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Post by Big L on May 14, 2022 18:22:34 GMT -5
So is this a done deal if you want to take the job, or are they interviewing other candidates as well and then they’ll decide? If that is the case, then I say apply for the position. And that gives you additional time to think about it, and if you get the offer, you can always say no. And if you don’t get the offer, no harm no foul. You’re still doing what you like.
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Post by shakin on May 14, 2022 18:28:37 GMT -5
@ragu one of the regulars will be making a lot more money
just fyi
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Post by 32Green on May 14, 2022 19:50:39 GMT -5
First off, I remember when you were a C.O. so this all blows my mind. Some great advice in this thread, and pretty well-informed as far as I can tell. My only remaining thought (since so much has been covered already) is what if you take it and hate it? What are your options then. Can you land on your feet doing the same thing you are doing now, no harm, no foul? Does it limit your options in your current Hospital/S.I.? Do you need to stay on S.I.?
Anyway, proud of ya, ya big lug. You could probably write a book about your journey, at home and at work.. and it would be compelling. How could it not.
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Post by 32Green on May 14, 2022 20:00:41 GMT -5
You don't want career advice from me. 20+ years in sales and I want to get the fuck out. Many happy returns. |
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Post by porgyman on May 14, 2022 20:14:29 GMT -5
As others have said, some seriously good advice has been provided here. Here is my .02.
The healthcare sector continues to expand. As you know, nurses are in high demand, and that is not expected to change anytime soon. In fact with the number of retirements taking place, demand should remain high for the foreseeable future.
I mention this because if you were to take the position and hate it, getting a position similar to what you currently have shouldn’t be difficult.
Don’t sneeze at the value of a managerial position.Having it will open up possibilities long term career wise. While the bump may be 30k now, future bumps will be larger. Much larger than an RN bump.
The vacation issue can be negotiated as mentioned. You didn’t mention your age. If you’re between 30 and 45, think of the long play here.
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Post by Big L on May 14, 2022 20:43:22 GMT -5
As others have said, some seriously good advice has been provided here. Here is my .02. The healthcare sector continues to expand. As you know, nurses are in high demand, and that is not expected to change anytime soon. In fact with the number of retirements taking place, demand should remain high for the foreseeable future. I mention this because if you were to take the position and hate it, getting a position similar to what you currently have shouldn’t be difficult. Don’t sneeze at the value of a managerial position.Having it will open up possibilities long term career wise. While the bump may be 30k now, future bumps will be larger. Much larger than an RN bump. The vacation issue can be negotiated as mentioned. You didn’t mention your age. If you’re between 30 and 45, think of the long play here. Great point about age, and I mentioned maybe new position opens you up to earlier retirement. $30k increase every year for even 10 years is $300k, real money. Potentially a second home there, or totally pay off your first. That’s what I’ve done with some of my additional pay - paying off mortgage early. Will be done with a 30 yr mortgage in 3 more years (17 total) |
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Post by RobR on May 14, 2022 20:43:53 GMT -5
Lot's of good advice here, especially being able to return as a RN if the promotion ends up being a mistake. Only thing I haven't seen brought up is that you are likely sitting on a good pension being a retired NYS CO, if not drawing from it already and the tax consequences that will follow.
You also have too ask how much longer do you want to endure the grind. You can always go the Shakin route.....I'm sure he has no regrets.
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Post by RobR on May 14, 2022 20:49:20 GMT -5
As others have said, some seriously good advice has been provided here. Here is my .02. The healthcare sector continues to expand. As you know, nurses are in high demand, and that is not expected to change anytime soon. In fact with the number of retirements taking place, demand should remain high for the foreseeable future. I mention this because if you were to take the position and hate it, getting a position similar to what you currently have shouldn’t be difficult. Don’t sneeze at the value of a managerial position.Having it will open up possibilities long term career wise. While the bump may be 30k now, future bumps will be larger. Much larger than an RN bump. The vacation issue can be negotiated as mentioned. You didn’t mention your age. If you’re between 30 and 45, think of the long play here. Great point about age, and I mentioned maybe new position opens you up to earlier retirement. $30k increase every year for even 10 years is $300k, real money. Potentially a second home there, or totally pay off your first. That’s what I’ve done with some of my additional pay - paying off mortgage early. Will be done with a 30 yr mortgage in 3 more years (17 total) It's liberating having no mortgage or even a car payment....life changing. |
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Post by Jets Things on May 14, 2022 21:40:58 GMT -5
You don't want career advice from me. 20+ years in sales and I want to get the fuck out. Many happy returns. My bday was last week, dickhole. JW, as Porgy said, a lot of good advice here. Take the promotion, but argue for your current vacation. The salary bump is nice. Think about this promotion as a stepping stone. Do well at your current hospital for a year or so and you can move on to a more lucrative spot. The union protection is nice and that's what you're used to, but don't let that be something that holds you back from further success. Again, I said don't listen to me because I've been a sales rut for 20+ years, but if I had this opportunity, I'd jump at it. |
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Post by Big L on May 14, 2022 21:41:59 GMT -5
Great point about age, and I mentioned maybe new position opens you up to earlier retirement. $30k increase every year for even 10 years is $300k, real money. Potentially a second home there, or totally pay off your first. That’s what I’ve done with some of my additional pay - paying off mortgage early. Will be done with a 30 yr mortgage in 3 more years (17 total) It's liberating having no mortgage or even a car payment....life changing. Completely agree. Only debt I own is mortgage. |
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Post by southparkcpa on May 14, 2022 21:44:58 GMT -5
a few things to consider: net net does it put you into another tax bracket? run the numbers and see what the actual net gain in your pocket will be. i'm assuming your OT is at least time and a half... keep in mind that being on the clock vs. being salaried, you will likely end up taking a lot of the job (and work) home with you (i know i did), and put in a hell of a lot more than a 40 hour week. can you handle managing people that may not have the same work ethic as you? this issue is getting worse and worse with each new generation in the workforce. they are entitled and difficult to manage will you be HAPPY in the new role? if you are truly happy in your present role you really can't put a price on that what was your desired career path when you went into this field? does this align with it? do the other people in similar roles/responsibilities seem happy in their jobs? what are the complaints you may hear from them? how much additional stress will this bring into your life? is it worth a 30k bump minus taxes? that's all i got for now It definitely won't put me into a another tax bracket. I realize that salary will result in some days of work at home, but I also plan to try and offset that by asking to work 10 hour days as opposed to 8; the offset is having an extra day off where I won't mind as much then. I won't be happier, but I may be happy. This role is an enormous validation for me. I didn't have a career path as a RN; this changes that thought process, hence why it's such a tough decision for me. The team I will be working with all like and respect me; so no worries there. The people higher up also like and respect me, but will now also have to answer to me regarding their performance. My title (Director) and profession (RN) place me at a disadvantage as they are all department heads (Chiefs, AVPs, etc) and higher credentialed (MDs, PAs, advanced RNs). That said, I am good at getting people to go along with me, and I am sure that's been discussed as a reason for my consideration as a candidate. As my younger daughter says…. The problem of you 1 percenters. If this is your dilemma, Hats off to you. Don’t let money guide the decision. Your set for life in theory. Stress is a killer. After being a CO and now an RN, can you do not simply work 25 hours a week? Best to you!!!! |
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Post by Jetworks on May 15, 2022 8:42:32 GMT -5
First off, I remember when you were a C.O. so this all blows my mind. Some great advice in this thread, and pretty well-informed as far as I can tell. My only remaining thought (since so much has been covered already) is what if you take it and hate it? What are your options then. Can you land on your feet doing the same thing you are doing now, no harm, no foul? Does it limit your options in your current Hospital/S.I.? Do you need to stay on S.I.? Anyway, proud of ya, ya big lug. You could probably write a book about your journey, at home and at work.. and it would be compelling. How could it not. Thank you bud!!! I have grown more comfortable in recognizing what I do/have done is commendable. Maybe I'll start a blog that you can subscribe to instead of writing a book.  I don't think I would have an issue going back to my old job. As porgyman says below, RNs are really in demand, and I am liked and respected in my hospital. Additionally, the possibility of buyout is very real. As others have said, some seriously good advice has been provided here. Here is my .02. The healthcare sector continues to expand. As you know, nurses are in high demand, and that is not expected to change anytime soon. In fact with the number of retirements taking place, demand should remain high for the foreseeable future. I mention this because if you were to take the position and hate it, getting a position similar to what you currently have shouldn’t be difficult. Don’t sneeze at the value of a managerial position.Having it will open up possibilities long term career wise. While the bump may be 30k now, future bumps will be larger. Much larger than an RN bump. The vacation issue can be negotiated as mentioned. You didn’t mention your age. If you’re between 30 and 45, think of the long play here. All good points. And having this kind of position on a resume will certainly open up other paths which wouldn't be as only having been a RN. I'm 53, so the thought of a 10-12 year arc in this new role is very realistic. As a staff RN? Not so much, especially at full time hours. It definitely won't put me into a another tax bracket. I realize that salary will result in some days of work at home, but I also plan to try and offset that by asking to work 10 hour days as opposed to 8; the offset is having an extra day off where I won't mind as much then. I won't be happier, but I may be happy. This role is an enormous validation for me. I didn't have a career path as a RN; this changes that thought process, hence why it's such a tough decision for me. The team I will be working with all like and respect me; so no worries there. The people higher up also like and respect me, but will now also have to answer to me regarding their performance. My title (Director) and profession (RN) place me at a disadvantage as they are all department heads (Chiefs, AVPs, etc) and higher credentialed (MDs, PAs, advanced RNs). That said, I am good at getting people to go along with me, and I am sure that's been discussed as a reason for my consideration as a candidate. As my younger daughter says…. The problem of you 1 percenters. If this is your dilemma, Hats off to you. Don’t let money guide the decision. Your set for life in theory. Stress is a killer. After being a CO and now an RN, can you do not simply work 25 hours a week? Best to you!!!! Thank you! As I said above, the option to go part time was probably about 5 years away given my age. While having my pension is a great thing, for my situation in particular it has never been the boon it is for most families. My first salary, subsequent pension, and current salary, have always been the only source of income during my entire marriage (25 years this past week!!!). So really, only the last 5 or so have been the double income revenue stream most couples enjoy throughout a large portion of their time together. Not crying about it, just stating it so people understand my mindset with regards to decision making. Thanks for all the great Hampur advice, knew I could count on you to come through. I'll have a better idea of what's what this week. In the meantime, don't pick up your phone, Mark.  |
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Post by shakin on May 15, 2022 12:26:29 GMT -5
i left out the biggest one
you won't need to wear a skirt anymore
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Post by Jetworks on May 21, 2022 20:31:33 GMT -5
So, I removed myself from consideration. They were very gracious about my withdrawing, stated my clinical reputation was very highly regarded (which was nice to hear).
The clincher for me in making my decision was my patient I had the day before; autistic adult accompanied by mom, had him as a patient previously. Mom stated that she was so glad I was his RN and that she was hoping I was there that day. Went home and told my wife, and we agreed that was the whole reason I became a RN; because we always hope there was someone like me in the ER for when we had to bring one of our kids in, someone who 'got it.'
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