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Post by Big L on Nov 14, 2023 8:37:27 GMT -5
I agree with what you’re saying; there’s many variables at work here. It’s (way past) time to (at least) change the variable that has had multiple chances to do the job and can’t do it. We will never know, but I bet you’d see at least marginally better success on offense if Wilson was not behind center. And if not, you’ve lost nothing. Nothing lost, nothing gained. Additionally considering what other teams around the league have done with backup QBs, I don’t think what I’m saying is that unreasonable. Are the backups better than ZW? Who knows We’ll never know. But they might provide a spark/change the chemistry equation and maybe wind up with at least pink play-doh instead of the same brown dog shit every week. They’ve been trying to fix the th8ngs you mention for weeks and have gotten no where. Time to make more difficult changes. also Hackett should go from the sideline and sit in the booth, maybe get a different perspective on how the game is going, and maybe not make as many baffling play calls. I get it, but I think swapping ZW out at this point, with those other variables still in play, results in disaster for multiple reasons. First, I don't think we even see marginal gains, but to your point that part is a wash then. Here's why I disagree though; it strengthens the voice (and further lends credence) of those who said that this isn't really Wilson's fault (at least this year). Another, and bigger reason is the AR effect. We are now seeing in real time people trashing 'his guys', which of course is a reflection on him. ZW is now one of his guys. Remove him, and it's another hit to AR and his ego/voice. Same goes for Hackett at this point it would seem. One can negate the other as far as who is at fault, but eventually it can boil down to both are bad. No easy solutions with any of this, as usual. The variables (especially the OL and lack of separation by WRs) are significant for any team, let alone one playing a backup QB who hoped to be learning from his HoF mentor. For that reason alone I think ZW deserves to stay as the starter (which apparently makes me a truther reading some things on X). also to note - if AR has been tutoring ZW, then isn’t also Boyle getting some tutelage? That little tidbit alone should nudge the scale slightly to Boyles favor to get the nod, IMO.
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Post by Jetworks on Nov 14, 2023 8:53:56 GMT -5
I get it, but I think swapping ZW out at this point, with those other variables still in play, results in disaster for multiple reasons. First, I don't think we even see marginal gains, but to your point that part is a wash then. Here's why I disagree though; it strengthens the voice (and further lends credence) of those who said that this isn't really Wilson's fault (at least this year). Another, and bigger reason is the AR effect. We are now seeing in real time people trashing 'his guys', which of course is a reflection on him. ZW is now one of his guys. Remove him, and it's another hit to AR and his ego/voice. Same goes for Hackett at this point it would seem. One can negate the other as far as who is at fault, but eventually it can boil down to both are bad. No easy solutions with any of this, as usual. The variables (especially the OL and lack of separation by WRs) are significant for any team, let alone one playing a backup QB who hoped to be learning from his HoF mentor. For that reason alone I think ZW deserves to stay as the starter (which apparently makes me a truther reading some things on X). also to note - if AR has been tutoring ZW, then isn’t also Boyle getting some tutelage? That little tidbit alone should nudge the scale slightly to Boyles favor to get the nod, IMO. I would say no, he's not tutoring him as much. And even if he was, it's a perception game; AR has embraced ZW. You never hear him offering sound bites about Tim Boyle. It's politics, like everything else nowadays unfortunately.
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Post by 32Green on Nov 14, 2023 9:32:34 GMT -5
also to note - if AR has been tutoring ZW, then isn’t also Boyle getting some tutelage? That little tidbit alone should nudge the scale slightly to Boyles favor to get the nod, IMO. I would say no, he's not tutoring him as much. And even if he was, it's a perception game; AR has embraced ZW. You never hear him offering sound bites about Tim Boyle. It's politics, like everything else nowadays unfortunately. At this point I've come to the conclusion that Rodgers is playing everyone against eachother. He knows this org is desperate, he knows he's dealing with a rookie HC, QB and a naive, clueless owner. He thinks he's smarter than everyone else and is toying with everyone.
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Post by adpz on Nov 14, 2023 10:05:07 GMT -5
Yeah, if the root/closest problem is Hackett, then it doesn’t matter which terrible QB we put out there. ZW clearly has the most arm talent of them, even if he only reads half the field.
I hate making excuses, but this team should have had two TDs in that game and won it. ZW isn’t first on the list of culprits.
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Post by Big L on Nov 14, 2023 10:20:36 GMT -5
Yeah, if the root/closest problem is Hackett, then it doesn’t matter which terrible QB we put out there. ZW clearly has the most arm talent of them, even if he only reads half the field. I hate making excuses, but this team should have had two TDs in that game and won it. ZW isn’t first on the list of culprits. no but he’s tops on the list of options that can be changed to try for better results.
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Post by Trades on Nov 14, 2023 14:54:57 GMT -5
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