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Post by jdeacon on Mar 6, 2015 20:09:41 GMT -5
With our first preview of how Big Mac operates with trading for Marshall and re-signing Harris I am starting to get the thought they we are going to be very aggressive this offseason. Taking the risk and selling the farm for Winston is risky, very risky when you think about it. It would require a lot, considering this and next years 1st's and 2nd's along with some other picks thrown into the fray.
We have an insane amount of cash on hand and a team that is one our two pieces away from having dominate defense. Signing a quality corner like Jackson would fill a gigantic hole, we could also pursue Mcourty or Rahim Moore to finish the secondary and have a beastly defense. What we are missing is that star signal caller, the warrior that we have never had since the days of Namath. A lot of people would be pissed, but we live I the era of qb's and to compete we need a dominate one.
Upgrading the o-line with all of this cash should be our next objective. Protecting a young qb is vital and we are not far off from having a good to very good o-line. We just need to replace the guards and we are set.
This new regime is going to want its own identity, its own players, a face to the franchise. Winston could be that man if our GM believes in him. Since the first game Winston played he looked the part. The kid only had one incompletion on his first outing in college ball. In the national championship vs the war eagles the kid was defiant. After a very rough first half were Auburn abused the o-line Winston found his feet and ultimately led his team to a championship. He operates in the pocket like a pro and throws bullets. His body size reminds me of Big Ben on that it will take a mack truck to bring him down. The kid can move and has a high football iq.
All reports are saying he is the best prospect since luck, and they are not far off. He has had his share of troubles but what kid hasn't been stupid. It is up to our FO to find out if he really has matured. Its a giant risk, but nothing is ever gained without taking risks. It would put a stamp on the Mac and Bowles era and set in stone the next 3 years.
The offense we would have with him would be intimidating:
Winston Marshall, Decker, Kerley Amaro, Cumberland Ivory, ....
Like I have said before its a huge risk but I would love for our franchise to take a chance on a potential star than meddling around hoping something falls into our laps. |
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Post by RobR on Mar 6, 2015 20:39:02 GMT -5
Good post with lots of insight but IMO moving from #6 to #1 would be cost prohibitive in terms of draft picks and we would need too get to #1 in any trade scenario. Maybe he falls a bit, then it would be more feasible in terms of picks. Winston is not in the same class as a Luck coming out, it's not even close and is laughable when I hear the comparisons. I would never give up the farm for a player with that many question marks and I understand how important the QB position is. If he falls a bit...Ok. Dealing the farm for a huge question mark could set us back another half decade.....or maybe it works. Edit: I almost discredited your entire post with the inclusion of Cumberland.  |
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Post by soberphobia on Mar 6, 2015 22:56:24 GMT -5
It seems counter-intuitive to me to bring in a General Manager reknowned for being a draft guy, and then trading away all your draft picks. Its the type of thing a Tannenbaum would do - but then he didn't have the scouting background Maccagnan does.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 7, 2015 13:34:25 GMT -5
It seems counter-intuitive to me to bring in a General Manager reknowned for being a draft guy, and then trading away all your draft picks. Its the type of thing a Tannenbaum would do - but then he didn't have the scouting background Maccagnan does. This. Winston is too volatile for a new management priding themselves in being talent evalutors to handcuff the regime to. Not interested. |
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Post by Aussie Jet on Mar 7, 2015 19:19:31 GMT -5
It seems counter-intuitive to me to bring in a General Manager reknowned for being a draft guy, and then trading away all your draft picks. Its the type of thing a Tannenbaum would do - but then he didn't have the scouting background Maccagnan does. Playing devil's advocate, if Maccagnan (with his scouting background) thinks the draft class is weak, then why not push in the chips and trade up to grab someone? The problem is that it looks like TB are locked onto taking Winston with the #1 pick, so it would take a bonanza of picks to prise that off them, which means that the Jets' ability to build through future drafts would be compromised. If Winston slips past Tennessee, then the Jets may become interested in trading for him, but I think it's a low odds outcome. |
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Post by soberphobia on Mar 8, 2015 15:27:23 GMT -5
According to the experts, the draft has strength in some of the areas we have needs at, so at WR and pass-rush for example; so I'd be surprised if Macg formed a different opinion, especially when you're seeing some of these outstanding combine/pro-day results from players in those positions. The draft is apparently weak at areas like CB, and obviously at QB apart from the top 2. If we keep our draft picks, or trade back and pick up more, with MacG's scouting background we could end up with some players who play 10 years for us, rather than just the one player who, to put it mildly, has maturity issues.
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Post by RobR on Mar 8, 2015 17:03:15 GMT -5
According to the experts, the draft has strength in some of the areas we have needs at, so at WR and pass-rush for example; so I'd be surprised if Macg formed a different opinion, especially when you're seeing some of these outstanding combine/pro-day results from players in those positions. The draft is apparently weak at areas like CB, and obviously at QB apart from the top 2. If we keep our draft picks, or trade back and pick up more, with MacG's scouting background we could end up with some players who play 10 years for us, rather than just the one player who, to put it mildly, has maturity issues. If you listened to Macs interview on the Jets website he reiterates that position. He mentions the strength of this draft as being the WR's, OL, OLB, and the RB's. Now hopefully we draft to the strength of the draft instead of reaching for positions of need....I.E. Cornerback. |
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Post by carlito1171 on Mar 9, 2015 14:23:40 GMT -5
I'm infatuated with the Jets taking Winston, and if for whatever crazy reason he falls to 6 we should take him and not look back. Winston however is not the prospect you want to trade multiple picks to move up for......
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Post by greenreaper on Mar 18, 2015 16:18:47 GMT -5
If Winston fell to 6...IMO...Jets will take him. He's the best QB prospect since Luck.
Whine for Winny!
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Post by JetBidi on Mar 24, 2015 14:25:23 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Jets are scheduling a private workout for Winston.
source: NFL Network Ticker
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Post by joepnyj1 on Mar 24, 2015 14:56:26 GMT -5
I'm infatuated with the Jets taking Winston, and if for whatever crazy reason he falls to 6 we should take him and not look back. Winston however is not the prospect you want to trade multiple picks to move up for...... I agree Carlito but its not going to happen. If for some reason Tampa passes on him there will be a team giving up a huge haul to get up to #2 or Tennessee will take him. I say let em! |
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Post by Aussie Jet on Mar 25, 2015 1:50:13 GMT -5
I'm infatuated with the Jets taking Winston, and if for whatever crazy reason he falls to 6 we should take him and not look back. Winston however is not the prospect you want to trade multiple picks to move up for...... I agree Carlito but its not going to happen. If for some reason Tampa passes on him there will be a team giving up a huge haul to get up to #2 or Tennessee will take him. I say let em! I'm running a mock draft on another site and the Bucs mock GM (who is a Bucs fan) has had a hard-on for Mariota for ages. Took Mariota with #1. Tennessee took Leonard Williams and Winston fell all the way to the Jets at #6 (where I'm picking). Washington took Beasley with the prior pick so I would have probably gone with Beasley had he been available, but I took Winston instead. Everybody believes that Tampa Bay are going to take Winston, but I do wonder whether Lovie Smith wants to hitch his wagon to someone with Winston's background, given his off-field issues. Smith has already stuffed up once on picking a QB to lead the Bucs and he could conceivably think that, notwithstanding Winston's familiarity with a pro-style offence, he can't afford to stuff up again and will pass on Winston. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 10, 2015 12:06:42 GMT -5
It definitely won't happen now.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 12, 2015 10:05:57 GMT -5
Its a slow week for news.... but i guess to entertain this morsel of speculation -- what's the limit you're prepared to pay for something like Winston at #1? two first rounders? three??
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Post by joepnyj1 on Apr 13, 2015 8:17:53 GMT -5
Its a slow week for news.... but i guess to entertain this morsel of speculation -- what's the limit you're prepared to pay for something like Winston at #1? two first rounders? three?? Like you said its a slow week for news and Cimini is just throwing out his usual crap. I just would not mortgage my future draft picks on a guy that has major off the field issues. Its a different story if he were to drop to us at 6 which is highly unlikely. The Jets are just doing their due diligence IMO. In the long run I think Mac sees lots of value in 2nd and 3rd rounds so I just don't see this happening. |
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