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Post by leftturn3 on Mar 14, 2015 7:58:25 GMT -5
We say in basketball you can't teach hight, in track and field you can't teach speed and I say in life you can't teach instincts. I have stated before what makes Geno a poor QB is his instincts, the dumb mistakes. I think we all can agree that if Geno could eliminate the dumb mistakes he can be a good QB, he certainly has the talent.
We have seen some very good QB's take a while to develope, but at the same time those guys had a spark and smarts, I don't know if there is very much smarts in Geno.
Is it possible Geno can grow this year and finally get his shit together. Listen, QB's make mistakes and throw picks, but can he grow in a way where he "instinctively" starts making better decisions. If he starts to get the feel of the game I think he can be something good, I just don't know if his issues can be learned.
To to add, there is no more coddling this year, maybe that is what he needs, someone to look him in the eyes and say, your fucking up, get your shit together or move on.
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Post by kuntysoze on Mar 14, 2015 8:07:42 GMT -5
If the Jets draft Mariota, they are going to win the Super Bowl this year. Guaranteed.
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Post by MDL JET on Mar 14, 2015 8:15:30 GMT -5
Is it possible? Of course. Will it happen? Who the hell knows.
I'm very curious to see how Bowles handles working with QBs and how they develop under him. Rex didn't develop a single QB in his 6 years and actually made them worse. He always went with one extreme way or the other, so I feel like that influenced our guys pretty heavily and made them think more then they had too.
But I think Geno can do it, he does need help though from the oline.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 14, 2015 8:57:18 GMT -5
It's entirely possible that Geno could develop and become a much better product than he currently is. Look at his development this far. Almost every scout and coach will tell you that Mariotta, a much more heralded and highly thought of prospect than Geno was, needs a couple years to adjust to the NFL. Now if Mariotta needs that time, then Geno certainly does as well. Then look at the "offense" and circumstances that led to Geno starting his rookie year. The Jets had the worst collection of offensive skill players in the league, he was learning a new offense and had a HC that didnt have a clue about developing a QB. Last year, all you essentially add to the offense was Decker, you had a battle of offensive philosophies between Rex and Marty. One game he throws 8 passes, another he throws 43.
Coaching and develment is critical for these QBs coming out of college, especially these spread QBs. I don't think Geno has been coached up the way he should be since coming to the Jets. There has to be more to your QB coaching philosophy than just telling him "don't turn it over". That's what we have had here for the last 6 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 9:03:47 GMT -5
We say in basketball you can't teach hight, in track and field you can't teach speed and I say in life you can't teach instincts. I have stated before what makes Geno a poor QB is his instincts, the dumb mistakes. I think we all can agree that if Geno could eliminate the dumb mistakes he can be a good QB, he certainly has the talent. We have seen some very good QB's take a while to develope, but at the same time those guys had a spark and smarts, I don't know if there is very much smarts in Geno. Is it possible Geno can grow this year and finally get his shit together. Listen, QB's make mistakes and throw picks, but can he grow in a way where he "instinctively" starts making better decisions. If he starts to get the feel of the game I think he can be something good, I just don't know if his issues can be learned. To to add, there is no more coddling this year, maybe that is what he needs, someone to look him in the eyes and say, your fucking up, get your shit together or move on. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Draft the fucking duck.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 14, 2015 9:14:09 GMT -5
I didn't think it was possible, but we probably have the smartest and the dumbest QB's in the league on the same team. And they both suck.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 9:15:53 GMT -5
I didn't think it was possible, but we probably have the smartest and the dumbest QB's in the league on the same team. And they both suck. I think one is an overachiever, the over was overrated.
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Post by crossfire on Mar 14, 2015 9:23:26 GMT -5
We say in basketball you can't teach hight, in track and field you can't teach speed and I say in life you can't teach instincts. I have stated before what makes Geno a poor QB is his instincts, the dumb mistakes. I think we all can agree that if Geno could eliminate the dumb mistakes he can be a good QB, he certainly has the talent. We have seen some very good QB's take a while to develope, but at the same time those guys had a spark and smarts, I don't know if there is very much smarts in Geno. Is it possible Geno can grow this year and finally get his shit together. Listen, QB's make mistakes and throw picks, but can he grow in a way where he "instinctively" starts making better decisions. If he starts to get the feel of the game I think he can be something good, I just don't know if his issues can be learned. To to add, there is no more coddling this year, maybe that is what he needs, someone to look him in the eyes and say, your fucking up, get your shit together or move on. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Draft the fucking duck. I am not 100% sold on Mariota and I am not 100% sold on Geno not being able to be... or not to be... a serviceable NFL QB. But I am sold on the fact that we need a franchise QB. So if Mariota is available at #6, I think we have to take him. Then let Fitzpatrick & Geno battle it out for the starting position and let Mariota sit on the bench and learn. QB's that can come in and be good right away like Luck are few and far between. Look how many good QB's sat for a few years. But aI also think we are too quick to pull the plug on guys too. Geno has ability. Do I think he is going to be a franchise QB? I'm not sure but I lean toward no. So like Apache says... if he's there... draft the fucking duck.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Mar 14, 2015 9:27:38 GMT -5
If there's someone you think can be a franchise QB and he's available when it's your time to pick, you draft him. People will say you're throwing away years if you draft a QB that high and you're wrong, but you're not winning anything without a franchise QB regardless.
You either throw away those years with a mediocre QB battling to go .500 every year or you really go for it with someone like Mariota.
If Mariota is available at 6 (and I don't think he will be), I'll be really pissed off if we don't take him.
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Post by 2milehighJet on Mar 14, 2015 9:27:53 GMT -5
The fear is Geno looks great, no mistakes, he leads us to playoffs then eventually pulls out this year's Buffalo game.
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Post by jets19 on Mar 14, 2015 10:43:44 GMT -5
If Geno is going to make it happen it would be this year.no more excuses.he will have enough weapons,solid running attack,stout D and more importantly a coach (Gailey ) that gets the most out of the QB. His completion percentage was almost 60% And was even in int-td 13-13 ( Buff game ? I know it still counts 3 picks) He actually improved a bit from rookie year.(needs to stop fucking fumbling the ball) www.nfl.com/player/genosmith/2539335/profile I hope he can be good (Who doesn't want to franchise quarterback to hang their hat on).it's such a huge advantage if you get one of these young quarterbacks at a wholesale price to have above average quarterback play. look at sea with Wilson (Get it not easy 2 find) if you could allocate that 15 million (half of what starting QB make in nfl) for other team needs extremely huge advantage. (this works for any other quarterback we could draft this year as well ?)
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Post by maury77 on Mar 14, 2015 11:18:37 GMT -5
I don't think Geno will ever develop into the type of QB that elevates the play of those around him, but if he can develop into a QB that succeeds with the right pieces around him, that might be enough to get us over the hump.
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Post by TokyoJetsFan on Mar 14, 2015 11:46:06 GMT -5
I think Geno has OCD and needs to turn the ball over twice every game.
I also think we had no clue on how to develop QBs or WRs the last 6 years.
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Post by Raoul Duke on Mar 14, 2015 12:38:07 GMT -5
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Draft the fucking duck. I am not 100% sold on Mariota and I am not 100% sold on Geno not being able to be... or not to be... a serviceable NFL QB. But I am sold on the fact that we need a franchise QB. So if Mariota is available at #6, I think we have to take him. Then let Fitzpatrick & Geno battle it out for the starting position and let Mariota sit on the bench and learn. QB's that can come in and be good right away like Luck are few and far between. Look how many good QB's sat for a few years. But aI also think we are too quick to pull the plug on guys too. Geno has ability. Do I think he is going to be a franchise QB? I'm not sure but I lean toward no. So like Apache says... if he's there... draft the fucking duck. Oh you're sold on the idea we need a franchise QB? Who let's these guys in here? We should be drafting QB's every year until we hit gold.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 12:59:11 GMT -5
Give Jets fans an improved team and anything less than 14-2 is unheard of.
"Is it possible this is the best team turnaround of all time? I kinda just assumed it was a given. Because, you know, they weren't really 4-12. More like 8-8 cuz they messed up a couple times. I see the schedule with our new secondary and I see maybe 14 wins, maybe 13 if i'm an SOJF."
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