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Post by Paradis on Apr 3, 2015 15:14:25 GMT -5
I stayed up late last night, ripped and watching game tape... (god damn do i love Ray's motor. Seriously want to marry him)
I'm starting to drift towards defense with #6... We're like a playmaker away from having the best defense in the NFL. No joke. Ray (or insert beasley, etc) play alongside coples-richardson-wilkerson and our secondary? With Pryor playing in the box?... man, we can really fuck some people up. I think we'd see the difference more, than Cooper for example on offense. The impact he might make wouldn't be drastically different than Agholor in round 2. (in the box score that is)
Fucking Shane Ray.
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Post by carlton on Apr 4, 2015 9:40:32 GMT -5
I stayed up late last night, ripped and watching game tape... (god damn do i love Ray's motor. Seriously want to marry him) I'm starting to drift towards defense with #6... We're like a playmaker away from having the best defense in the NFL. No joke. Ray (or insert beasley, etc) play alongside coples-richardson-wilkerson and our secondary? With Pryor playing in the box?... man, we can really fuck some people up. I think we'd see the difference more, than Cooper for example on offense. The impact he might make wouldn't be drastically different than Agholor in round 2. (in the box score that is) Fucking Shane Ray. Gay for Ray! |
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 5, 2015 13:29:32 GMT -5
The latest Cimini mock draft (I know! Don't say it. It's just a data point) has the Jets on the clock at #6 with ALL of the following players available - Vic Beasley, Shane Ray, Dante Fowler, and Amari Cooper.
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 5, 2015 13:35:59 GMT -5
I agree with Fowler, Beasley, Ray at 6 in that order. I keep wondering how to assess the depth of positions that we could use: OLB drops off fast after the early second; WR drifts a little further into the third, but it's definitely tiered between elite and B+ after the first round; RB is pretty deep into the third at least; QB is pretty thin to say the least, even at the top; OL looks good at least into the third. So from a more global perspective in the first three rounds, what's the safest strategy? If Cooper/White and Beasley/Ray are at 6, what's likely left in Round 2 that maximizes quality? I'm leaning WR as the better pick at 6, all things being equal. It may be flat out BPA anyway vs. OLB. I think we can hold off until the third to get an RB, unless somebody like Gurley falls into the early second. I don't think that's going to happen. The second round pick will be very interesting if we go WR in the first: OLB like Harold of Thompson? OG/OT? RB? Or a dangerous flyer on somebody like Hundley... somewhere in this mix teams have to be looking at their valuing of depth in the draft. I might disagree with the order slightly, although my mind changes every week on these guys, but it seems to me that the Jets simply HAVE TO get that outside/edge guy here at #6. It's been so long since we've spent a high pick on a true pass rusher that turned into a great player (John Abraham?) and the obvious whiff on Gholston didn't help. IF we get one of these guys at #6 I think we're looking at offense with our next several picks. I might even consider trading up in Round 2 to get one of the elite, game changing RBs in the draft. Imagine leaving this Draft with both Shane Ray and Melvin Gordon?  |
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Post by rvajet815 on Apr 5, 2015 18:00:53 GMT -5
The latest Cimini mock draft (I know! Don't say it. It's just a data point) has the Jets on the clock at #6 with ALL of the following players available - Vic Beasley, Shane Ray, Dante Fowler, and Amari Cooper. It's almost redundant to say I disagree with Cimini, but WR is most definitely still a need for this team. They're one Marshall injury away from being in the same mess they've been in years. Definite bonerpants potential having Coop in the slot with B-Marsh, Decker, Kerley and Amaro. That said, Fowler, Ray or Beasley (in that order) would be a very nice get for the defense. I'd legitimately be happy with any of them. And if all 4 are on the board, trading back a few picks wouldn't be the worst thing in the world either. |
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Post by Paradis on Apr 5, 2015 18:24:54 GMT -5
I agree with Fowler, Beasley, Ray at 6 in that order. I keep wondering how to assess the depth of positions that we could use: OLB drops off fast after the early second; WR drifts a little further into the third, but it's definitely tiered between elite and B+ after the first round; RB is pretty deep into the third at least; QB is pretty thin to say the least, even at the top; OL looks good at least into the third. So from a more global perspective in the first three rounds, what's the safest strategy? If Cooper/White and Beasley/Ray are at 6, what's likely left in Round 2 that maximizes quality? I'm leaning WR as the better pick at 6, all things being equal. It may be flat out BPA anyway vs. OLB. I think we can hold off until the third to get an RB, unless somebody like Gurley falls into the early second. I don't think that's going to happen. The second round pick will be very interesting if we go WR in the first: OLB like Harold of Thompson? OG/OT? RB? Or a dangerous flyer on somebody like Hundley... somewhere in this mix teams have to be looking at their valuing of depth in the draft. I might disagree with the order slightly, although my mind changes every week on these guys, but it seems to me that the Jets simply HAVE TO get that outside/edge guy here at #6. It's been so long since we've spent a high pick on a true pass rusher that turned into a great player (John Abraham?) and the obvious whiff on Gholston didn't help. IF we get one of these guys at #6 I think we're looking at offense with our next several picks. I might even consider trading up in Round 2 to get one of the elite, game changing RBs in the draft. Imagine leaving this Draft with both Shane Ray and Melvin Gordon? Ha, you tore a page out of my draftbook! I can't remember where i posted it, but that to me is the ideal situation. |
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 8, 2015 16:24:40 GMT -5
Dangerous question - Who do you think has the highest bust potential in this group? Is there a Vernon Gholston amongst this group of 3 - Dante Fowler, Vic Beasley, and Shane Ray?
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Post by RobR on Apr 8, 2015 20:24:19 GMT -5
Dangerous question - Who do you think has the highest bust potential in this group? Is there a Vernon Gholston amongst this group of 3 - Dante Fowler, Vic Beasley, and Shane Ray? You need too add Gregory to that list. He was considered a top 5-10 pick before failing his drug test and I've hated him from the beginning and would pass even with our second round pick. If we draft Gregory at 6 I will fucking lose it. Now back to your question. Out of the three I'd say Beasley, not because I don't like him, only because he seems to be the workout warrior who might have problems transitioning to the NFL. I'm worried about him being able to carry his combine weight. He has better numbers than Ray, but Ray plays like an animal and even if he doesn't live up too his expectations I don't see a bust. Fowler IMO is very versatile, which can be both a pro and con. He might be the ultimate tweener who doesn't excel at either position but turns into a solid player no matter where he lines up. |
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Post by Paradis on Apr 8, 2015 20:28:54 GMT -5
Dangerous question - Who do you think has the highest bust potential in this group? Is there a Vernon Gholston amongst this group of 3 - Dante Fowler, Vic Beasley, and Shane Ray? Personally, I don't think so. Some people try to peg Ray as a potential Gholston flop, but it should be noted those same people scored high on the moron test. There's nothing similar about those 2. I think Dupree is a higher risk that the 3 you listed. Gregory - goes without saying. The floor for those prospects are; Fowler -- develops into a not so flashy but reliable OLB ala Bryan Thomas... Ray -- limited to a conventional 4-3 end... and Beasley -- a splashy pass rush artist who can't be trusted on the field all the time, but makes a handful of plays every year to keep himself employed. With the news of Ridley signing, it's becoming increasing obvious what our brass has an eye for in the first 3 rounds; WR, Pass Rusher, and Oline. |
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Post by Touchable on Apr 13, 2015 11:02:45 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm at the point where I don't want anything to do with a passrusher at #6 unless Fowler falls to us.
Too many questions regarding whether Ray and Beasley can play OLB, especially Ray.
So unless Mariota or Fowler fall into our laps, give me one of the Top 3 wideouts.
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Post by soberphobia on May 2, 2015 4:05:16 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of trading the pick we had in the third round with Harold still available. The Jets have been more miss than hit with their linebacker picks, and seem to either taking non-football types or ones with marginal athletic attribues - anyone remember Anthony Schlegel? Mauldin looks to me to fit into the latter category - I'm still waiting to hear the "lunch-pail" call yet but I'm certain its going to happen at some stage.
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Post by jetstream23 on May 4, 2015 2:16:00 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of trading the pick we had in the third round with Harold still available. The Jets have been more miss than hit with their linebacker picks, and seem to either taking non-football types or ones with marginal athletic attribues - anyone remember Anthony Schlegel? Mauldin looks to me to fit into the latter category - I'm still waiting to hear the "lunch-pail" call yet but I'm certain its going to happen at some stage. I can certainly appreciate what Mac did with the trade down but I agree with you, I liked where we were at #70 overall. I think there were MANY guys still available there and the FO had to think that at least one of them would fall to us just 12 picks later.....but virtually all the guys I wanted were swooped up quickly between 70 and 82..... OLB- Eli Harold* WR - Jalen Strong RB - Tevin Coleman* RB - Duke Johnson* QB - Garrett Grayson Harold, Coleman or Duke Johnson should have been the pick in my mind there at #70. I really wanted someone out of that second tier of RBs (after Gurley, Gordon). There was a group of about 4-5 RBs that I would have been happy with and I was psyched to see both Coleman and Johnson available in the 3rd Round. Harold was a great pick by the 49ers at #79. I can't believe he lasted until the 15th pick of the 3rd Round. Ugh. |
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