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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jun 30, 2015 14:28:31 GMT -5
And as far as Trades statement about big gov,t interfering in our lives, I just got an Amber alert message about some Dodge Durango. Wtf did AT&T give my phone number to law enforcement agencies? It's not saved in messages it was just a big box that crowded out teh hampur. I have no control over this? AT&T sends the message out to all phones that have those amber alerts activated. Most phones are set to default to allow them but you can turn them off in your settings. thank you for proving my point so clearly
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Post by LoneStarLady on Jun 30, 2015 14:42:18 GMT -5
Sure, like that has any significance in practical terms. Where's that, in three tiny towns in Alabama and Maine? Yeah that's why they keep talking about how the baker has to sell a gay couple a wedding cake, or the photographer cannot refuse to take pictures at their wedding, he has no choice Plenty of places here in texas you are free to hate the gays. The practical significance is that there is no remedy for discrimination unless the law has created one. If your state or town has enacted such a remedy then you are always free to take to the political process and advocate a change. Did you see the ruling that TX county clerks don't have to personally issue same-sex marriage licenses if it's against their religious beliefs? The clerks can't legally deny the licenses, but they can delegate to someone else to do the work. The question comes up: what if everyone in a particular county clerk office is against same-sex marriage? Isn't this issue about the baker/photographer exactly what happened in Indiana during March Madness? The state had a "religious freedom" law that allowed business owners not to sell to people who did not follow their own religious beliefs. Mostly it affected customers looking to buy things for same-sex marriages, if I recall correctly.
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Post by Trades on Jun 30, 2015 14:42:24 GMT -5
If You Are a Member of a Church That Performs Wedding Ceremonies but That Does Not Believe in Gay Marriage: This decision does not affect you in any way. If You Are a Religious Official Who Performs Wedding Ceremonies but Who Thinks Gay Marriage Is Wrong: This decision does not affect you in any way. That may be true (and I don't know if the non-existent law provides for religious exemptions) but if you are a businessperson with religious objections you can't "discriminate" by not providing your business to a gay couple. Possibly but discrimination in business is not a good business practice even if it is within the law. I do agree that they should be allowed to make that decision themselves if they so choose.
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Post by LoneStarLady on Jun 30, 2015 14:49:08 GMT -5
Plenty of places here in texas you are free to hate the gays. The practical significance is that there is no remedy for discrimination unless the law has created one. If your state or town has enacted such a remedy then you are always free to take to the political process and advocate a change. ph Texas, lol, how did I forget that one hey now, no stereotyping! lol, this state is the size of France so lots of varying opinions on everything. In Austin, they were issuing marriage licenses at 10:30 am, as soon as the ruling came from SCOTUS
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Post by jetstream23 on Jun 30, 2015 14:57:56 GMT -5
I see your SCOTUS. I see your POTUS. And I offer you. LOTUS
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Post by jetstream23 on Jun 30, 2015 15:01:59 GMT -5
BTW, can I now self-identify as a woman, but not change my appearance, keep my penis, but use the women's changing room at the gym and start looking for a lesbian partner?
This is all so confusing.
How long before we legalize marriage to other things that probably weren't really intended? A cousin, a goat, a 12 year old kid, a fetus? Can you not marry both parts of a siamese twin, only one? Can I marry the fun, horny half of someone with a split personality...but not the douchebaggy, boring half that doesn't clean up after her(his)self?
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Post by rexneffect on Jun 30, 2015 15:14:21 GMT -5
Plenty of places here in texas you are free to hate the gays. The practical significance is that there is no remedy for discrimination unless the law has created one. If your state or town has enacted such a remedy then you are always free to take to the political process and advocate a change. Did you see the ruling that TX county clerks don't have to personally issue same-sex marriage licenses if it's against their religious beliefs? The clerks can't legally deny the licenses, but they can delegate to someone else to do the work. The question comes up: what if everyone in a particular county clerk office is against same-sex marriage? Isn't this issue about the baker/photographer exactly what happened in Indiana during March Madness? The state had a "religious freedom" law that allowed business owners not to sell to people who did not follow their own religious beliefs. Mostly it affected customers looking to buy things for same-sex marriages, if I recall correctly. The attorney general here in Texas is a felon who is going to get himself disbarred if not for his admitted felony than for the AG opinion on the same sex issue. The AG opinion is not authority and the counties who choose to follow the opinion will find themselves sued into financial ruin. Maybe there is some legitimacy to the clerk staff who have a religious objection although the sincerity of the belief might be dubious if that same staff employee issued licenses that otherwise violates provisions of the Bible (e.g. people who have been divorced, non-Christians, etc.) The elected county clerk cannot decline to do his or her job if that means violating the oath of office. The elected individual must resign or perform his or her duties. The office of the county clerk must issue a license if a valid application is presented. If nobody in the office will issue the license then the elected clerk must. At this point any state could choose to enact legislation similar to the Indiana law and make sexual orientation discrimination lawful activity. I think there are some problems with the Indiana law that implicates discrimination on the basis of religion in violation of the Civil Rights Act. A law narrowly permitting sexual orientation discrimination or even prohibiting cities from enacting ordinances prohibiting sexual orientation discrimination would be legal at least until sexual orientation is included as a protected status under the Civil Rights Act.
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Post by southside on Jun 30, 2015 15:15:48 GMT -5
LOTUS I SEE AREOLAS!!!
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jun 30, 2015 15:26:32 GMT -5
BTW, can I now self-identify as a woman, but not change my appearance, keep my penis, but use the women's changing room at the gym and start looking for a lesbian partner? This is all so confusing. How long before we legalize marriage to other things that probably weren't really intended? A cousin, a goat, a 12 year old kid, a fetus? Can you not marry both parts of a siamese twin, only one? Can I marry the fun, horny half of someone with a split personality...but not the douchebaggy, boring half that doesn't clean up after her(his)self? Hopefully the country has enough sanity left to maintain that marriage should be between consenting adults, so that a goat, a fetus and a kid cannot give consent to marry. Now a cousin... who's to say two adults who are cousins... or for that matter, a brother/sister, or even brother/brother or sister/sister dont share a true love and should be able to marry? Lesbian sisters wouldn't be able to procreate, why cant they marry?
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Jun 30, 2015 15:30:58 GMT -5
And on the subject of cakes, Im thinking of opening a cake store, and I need a primer...
If someone orders a rainbow flag cake for a SSM, I cant say no? But I can make an ISIS cake for the local mosque? But I CAN refuse to make a Dukes of Hazzard stars and bars cake for a kids birthday? Im so confused...
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Post by rexneffect on Jun 30, 2015 15:38:05 GMT -5
And on the subject of cakes, Im thinking of opening a cake store, and I need a primer... If someone orders a rainbow flag cake for a SSM, I cant say no? But I can make an ISIS cake for the local mosque? But I CAN refuse to make a Dukes of Hazzard stars and bars cake for a kids birthday? Im so confused... ISIS cakes can and should be baked and sent to the White House. Make sure you garnish the cake with lots of white powdered sugar. They always get a kick out of that.
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Post by Trades on Jun 30, 2015 15:57:14 GMT -5
Crazy question. Isn't it better to allow people to discriminate then it is to force someone to make food for someone they don't like? Seems like you are legislating to have someone spot or worse in your food. I would rather know who doesn't like me and avoid those people. Now I say that as a white and straight man so who wouldn't like me? Amirite?
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jun 30, 2015 16:02:47 GMT -5
ph Texas, lol, how did I forget that one hey now, no stereotyping! lol, this state is the size of France so lots of varying opinions on everything. In Austin, they were issuing marriage licenses at 10:30 am, as soon as the ruling came from SCOTUS I know, I have family in TX so I know there are normal people there (and Austin is definitely exceptional within the state, don't know how it got in there) but as a whole it is defintiely, ahem, unique
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Jun 30, 2015 16:03:53 GMT -5
Isn't this issue about the baker/photographer exactly what happened in Indiana during March Madness? The state had a "religious freedom" law that allowed business owners not to sell to people who did not follow their own religious beliefs. Mostly it affected customers looking to buy things for same-sex marriages, if I recall correctly. Yes you are exactly right, that is the perfect example of objection on religious grounds existing in theory only. In practical terms it's nonexistent.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jun 30, 2015 16:04:21 GMT -5
Crazy question. Isn't it better to allow people to discriminate then it is to force someone to make food for someone they don't like? Seems like you are legislating to have someone spot or worse in your food. I would rather know who doesn't like me and avoid those people. Now I say that as a white and straight man so who wouldn't like me? Amirite? Please DO NOT tell us what kind of spot you were thinking would be left in the food.
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