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Post by Trades on Jun 30, 2015 17:22:06 GMT -5
Actually fuck it it's fucking fine Yeah it's the off season. I identify the hamper as the politics forum anyway.
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Post by thebigragu on Jun 30, 2015 17:27:06 GMT -5
Actually fuck it it's fucking fine Yeah it's the off season. I identify the hamper as the politics forum anyway. What i was thinking. Ill be starting a rant thread tonight when i get home. I got alot of shit to say about this administration and what tpp really is
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Post by PK on Jun 30, 2015 20:31:55 GMT -5
But what if it's the only plumber in town and he won't come over and lay some pipe? LMAO. Maybe they could call PK. Lol! Perhaps.... :-) That said, I don't get what the big deal is. Most people couldn't even pick out a gay person in a crowd. Most of them are pretty normal.
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Post by Big L on Jun 30, 2015 20:32:31 GMT -5
Yeah it's the off season. I identify the hamper as the politics forum anyway. What i was thinking. Ill be starting a rant thread tonight when i get home. I got alot of shit to say about this administration and what tpp really is CANT WAIT.
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Post by JetBidi on Jun 30, 2015 22:46:39 GMT -5
I would think so... if I were gay, Im not going to force someone to make me what could be the worst cake ever just to make a point. This goes beyond being gay or not. Bunch of entitled assholes these days. Sir, it only comes this way... "But I wanted this," then complain. You CAN'T have it that way you prick. Wendy's releases Ghost Pepper Fries... "Wow, they're good but too hot, change them Wendy's." They're fucking GHOST PEPPER fries. They're supposed to be hot, asshole. Oprah denied entrance to a store after hours w/o an appointment... "They wouldn't let me in because I'm black." No, it's because you showed up AFTER they were closed, bitch. People have lost their backbones and those have been replaced with a whole lot of whine. End of Rant
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 1:08:03 GMT -5
There's no stretch. The determination that marriage was a fundamental right stretches back to the 1920s ( Griswald). And by marriage we are talking about marriage as the legal institution, not the religious institution of marriage as a covenant before one's creator. Controversy does not determine whether it is appropriate for SCOTUS to hear the case. Controversy is why SCOTUS hears a case. Most cases SCOTUS agrees to hear are cases where there is a split among the circuits on an issue of law or the case deals with an issue of significant constitutional interpretation. Here, there were two core issues of constitutional interpretation -- equal protection and full faith & credit. There is hardly a better reason for SCOTUS to resolve a controversy of law. Jurisdiction to hear cases by SCOTUS is determined by the constitution and the jurisdictional statutes enacted by Congress. SCOTUS did not overstep its jurisdiction by hearing the case. The dissents in Obergefell represent just awful legal analysis. Roberts comes closest to making a serious legal argument but his entire dissent can be summed up as an erroneously narrow view of the history of marriage and an assertion that gay marriage is not traditional so the fundamental right argument doesn't apply. The most glaring problem with the dissent is that if you agree with Roberts then you have to disagree with Loving which banned interracial marriages because those types of marriages were just as offensive and considered just as destructive to the institution of marriage at that time as people consider gay marriage today. Further, if you believe states should have the power to determine who you can marry solely on the basis of tradition or whether some people think it's icky then you not only open a wide door for the government to determine how you structure your family but a wide door for the government to get back involved with any number of private affairs for which many people believe the government has no business regulating. I am just going to have to respectfully disagree as I do with you on many things, lol. But just to add one more thing, I dont want the states deciding either, I just thinkt hat would be the lesser of two evils. I want the people to decide. Lets put it on the ballot and be done with it. IMO that is the best way. The power in this country is becoming increasingly centralized. I dont want to pollute the Hampur with anymore of this shit. We can do it in the politics forum. After enlarging my font and getting out my protractor to read your posts; it's down to a vote? Pass the buck, much? Even with the electoral college the unenlightened view (of the nation) prevails. Most people follow their pastor or some such; these human rights issues always comes down to fundamentalist reading of the bible. For proof consider that not a single one of us would stop what we are doing, pick up a weapon, and threaten the nice gay couple in our neighborhood. On our own. However, somehow, rhetoric allows this live-and-let-live spirit to become obscured; and now it's really all about who believes what on Sunday. For me, this effort has been (obviously) about getting protections for people outside the "norm"; they are asking the norm to reach back; that's the point. Wholeness. For everybody. But the veracity of the Bible seems to be at stake; the way these conservative dopes act. BTW, this whole trip has shown that Christian values are bereft of "decency". I pity Christians...and the rest that have to listen to this bullshit. That's the faggot trip, right there. Can't Trust A Christian®; Gawd wins no matter what.
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Post by Hotman on Jul 1, 2015 1:19:42 GMT -5
In their decision the SCOTUS made sure to clearly state that couples have the right to marry. So that is how they will get around the polygamy thing. I dont know if I would ever want more than one wife. A side piece or two is good. I don't even really want one wife. I love my wife and my our baby but i wish we had a duplex and just hung out here and there. I would marry a guy if no sex was involved and we just shared our resources went to jets games, europe, switched cars week to week. Like a best friend with insurance and great financial benefits. Fucking credit score off the charts. Buying real estate, fixing up outdated deplorable shit, then flipping it turning profits. Heading to vegas. For sure Id marry me if i met a me Hey, how you doin buddy?
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Post by Hotman on Jul 1, 2015 1:26:06 GMT -5
I believe what i believe because of the travels my life has taken me on and because of my faith. We could argue day and night both with evidence on whether it's a choice or not. That is of little consequence to me. As far as im concerned Gays should be allowed to Marry and any Christian bitching about it should stfu. Christians or so called Christians believe this is Gods world. It certainly is not this is The Devils world as clearly stated in the bible. The church has no place in state or government or world matters. Give to Ceasars what is Ceasars. The times coming for Christians is not going to be fun and I expect many will change and conform to this World. I worry about my own soul and am well aware im behind enemy lines. Christianity never should have had a hold in this world. They should learn to accept the fact that here we are the enemy. It will become clearer and clearer in the years to come. Then most will jump ship. But like I said Every law that gets passed here or there is fine with me. All are equal in this world. I just don't waste to much time worrying about this short stay here anymore. I do concern myself with the christians being slaughtered one every 3 minutes in other parts of the world. More concerned with that then bob and tim walking down the aisle You are a wise man, Ragu
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Post by Hotman on Jul 1, 2015 1:39:30 GMT -5
BTW, can I now self-identify as a woman, but not change my appearance, keep my penis, but use the women's changing room at the gym and start looking for a lesbian partner? This is all so confusing. How long before we legalize marriage to other things that probably weren't really intended? A cousin, a goat, a 12 year old kid, a fetus? Can you not marry both parts of a siamese twin, only one? Can I marry the fun, horny half of someone with a split personality...but not the douchebaggy, boring half that doesn't clean up after her(his)self? All kidding aside, yes you could identify as a woman with all the conditions above and you'd have to be let into the ladies' room. As to the second elaborate byzantine rationalizations have been put forth why equality can only apply to gays (haha now there's an oxymoronic paradox - equality for me, not for thee, hahahahhhahaha) but I wouldn't be surprised if that comes to pass someday. It's only fair after all! I wanna identify as a woman so we can go pee together at the bars/clubs. Nothing sexual tho! I know you are married and I'm really not interested, so don't you go gettin weird on me now! lol. We got plenty to catch up on in the ladies room!!
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Post by Fishooked on Jul 1, 2015 4:21:57 GMT -5
I think it should be called 'garriage"
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Post by frostlich on Jul 1, 2015 10:20:00 GMT -5
This thread needs more CBTNY...whatever happened to that guy.
Oh...and Equilibrium too. Dude should be a professor...fucking brilliant that one.
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Post by jetstream23 on Jul 1, 2015 10:20:32 GMT -5
BTW, can I now self-identify as a woman, but not change my appearance, keep my penis, but use the women's changing room at the gym and start looking for a lesbian partner? This is all so confusing. How long before we legalize marriage to other things that probably weren't really intended? A cousin, a goat, a 12 year old kid, a fetus? Can you not marry both parts of a siamese twin, only one? Can I marry the fun, horny half of someone with a split personality...but not the douchebaggy, boring half that doesn't clean up after her(his)self? All kidding aside, yes you could identify as a woman with all the conditions above and you'd have to be let into the ladies' room. As to the second elaborate byzantine rationalizations have been put forth why equality can only apply to gays (haha now there's an oxymoronic paradox - equality for me, not for thee, hahahahhhahaha) but I wouldn't be surprised if that comes to pass someday. It's only fair after all! Double word score for use of byzantine!
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Post by jetstream23 on Jul 1, 2015 10:23:18 GMT -5
Moving to politics forum not a punishment, i love that place it needs regulars back Actually fuck it it's fucking fine Wait a minute, does this new Supreme Court ruling allow one of ragu's personalities to marry the other?
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Post by jetstream23 on Jul 1, 2015 10:24:20 GMT -5
LMAO. Maybe they could call PK. Lol! Perhaps.... :-) That said, I don't get what the big deal is. Most people couldn't even pick out a gay person in a crowd. Most of them are pretty normal. Psst! Over here... Scroll down.... Hint - It's the guy sucking the dick.
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Post by Fishooked on Jul 1, 2015 10:26:07 GMT -5
All kidding aside, yes you could identify as a woman with all the conditions above and you'd have to be let into the ladies' room. As to the second elaborate byzantine rationalizations have been put forth why equality can only apply to gays (haha now there's an oxymoronic paradox - equality for me, not for thee, hahahahhhahaha) but I wouldn't be surprised if that comes to pass someday. It's only fair after all! Double word score for use of byzantine! not very often the opportunity presents itself, so i116.photobucket.com/albums/o38/fishooked/JI/byzantines.jpg
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