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Post by Hotman on Jul 22, 2015 19:50:12 GMT -5
So. Is this joint Patsy fan-free?  they been pussed out and wrecked over the fact that everyone knows they are a fraud and cheaters. |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jul 22, 2015 20:19:41 GMT -5
The four game suspension is really two penalties: one for cheating and one for failing to fully comply with the investigation. I can't think of a time a player was suspended for failing to comply with an NFL investigation. I could see the penalty getting knocked down to 2-3 games plus a financial penalty for the failure to comply. Except for the fact that he was suspended 4 games for cheating not the 2 + 2 you've imagined. |
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Post by Jets Things on Jul 22, 2015 21:38:05 GMT -5
So. Is this joint Patsy fan-free? Where the shit have you been? |
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Post by JetBidi on Jul 22, 2015 23:07:47 GMT -5
The four game suspension is really two penalties: one for cheating and one for failing to fully comply with the investigation. I can't think of a time a player was suspended for failing to comply with an NFL investigation. I could see the penalty getting knocked down to 2-3 games plus a financial penalty for the failure to comply. Except for the fact that he was suspended 4 games for cheating not the 2 + 2 you've imagined. I? actually look at it this way too. He was suspended 4 games for cheating. The penalty was so "harsh" (give me a break) because Brady didn't cooperate. I liken it to not taking a plea. If you take the plea (cooperate) you get the lower penalty, if you don't (non-cooperation) you get the harsher penalty. The crime itself isn't any different. |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jul 23, 2015 1:08:29 GMT -5
Except for the fact that he was suspended 4 games for cheating not the 2 + 2 you've imagined. I? actually look at it this way too. He was suspended 4 games for cheating. The penalty was so "harsh" (give me a break) because Brady didn't cooperate. I liken it to not taking a plea. If you take the plea (cooperate) you get the lower penalty, if you don't (non-cooperation) you get the harsher penalty. The crime itself isn't any different. Harsh? I think breaking rules in place to gain an unfair advantage and playing with the integrity of the game should have earned him a bigger penalty. Not cooperating makes no difference to the penalty, he was found guilty. What he would have been more or less guilty by cooperating? Cheating is cheating. He was caught. He's fucked with the game and gets the same penalty as Richardson gets for smoking a blunt in the offseason. |
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Post by jordy on Jul 23, 2015 8:11:40 GMT -5
So. Is this joint Patsy fan-free? Where the shit have you been? Just been busy with life. Plus the whole changeover from JI fracturing everywhere was too chaotic and was interfering with my zen.  |
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Post by rexneffect on Jul 23, 2015 8:37:01 GMT -5
I? actually look at it this way too. He was suspended 4 games for cheating. The penalty was so "harsh" (give me a break) because Brady didn't cooperate. I liken it to not taking a plea. If you take the plea (cooperate) you get the lower penalty, if you don't (non-cooperation) you get the harsher penalty. The crime itself isn't any different. Harsh? I think breaking rules in place to gain an unfair advantage and playing with the integrity of the game should have earned him a bigger penalty. Not cooperating makes no difference to the penalty, he was found guilty. What he would have been more or less guilty by cooperating? Cheating is cheating. He was caught. He's fucked with the game and gets the same penalty as Richardson gets for smoking a blunt in the offseason. You really choose not to let things like facts or reason get in the way of your worldview. When issuing the punishment, Troy Vincent's letters specifically identified the failure to cooperate as conduct detrimental to the league in addition to the underlying deflating issue. The punishment was rolled together into a unitary punishment because both acts were held to be violations of the NFL policy on integrity but that does not mean that NFL leadership did not consider both violations as separate or as the failure to cooperate as an aggravating circumstance that justified a greater punishment for the ball deflating. Your version that the NFL only punished Brady for his involvement in deflating the balls is disproven by the plain language of Vincent's letter. In an appeal the hearing officer often looks for a way to give both sides something so the issue can be put to rest. I can see Goodell doing this "for the sake of the league" but still feel the need to support the findings in the Wells report. The easiest way to do that is to uphold the finding of culpability and the punishment for cheating but recognize that failing to cooperate has never resulted in a suspension and cut off a game of the suspension in favor of a fine. Whether you think the failure to cooperate aggravated the punishment for cheating or was treated as a separate offense in assessing the four game suspension, the appeal can be treated the same way. |
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Post by cgjet on Jul 23, 2015 9:08:12 GMT -5
The longer this drags on, the more convinced I become that the suspension will be dropped entirely.
I agree in part, and I'm of the opinion that the longer this drags on I feel the number of games will be reduced to something like a 2 game suspension. Anyway, your point is very valid in that the length of time between the announcement regarding the official appeal, and the NFL's decision works in the cheater's favor.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Jul 24, 2015 9:37:28 GMT -5
Harsh? I think breaking rules in place to gain an unfair advantage and playing with the integrity of the game should have earned him a bigger penalty. Not cooperating makes no difference to the penalty, he was found guilty. What he would have been more or less guilty by cooperating? Cheating is cheating. He was caught. He's fucked with the game and gets the same penalty as Richardson gets for smoking a blunt in the offseason. You really choose not to let things like facts or reason get in the way of your worldview. When issuing the punishment, Troy Vincent's letters specifically identified the failure to cooperate as conduct detrimental to the league in addition to the underlying deflating issue. The punishment was rolled together into a unitary punishment because both acts were held to be violations of the NFL policy on integrity but that does not mean that NFL leadership did not consider both violations as separate or as the failure to cooperate as an aggravating circumstance that justified a greater punishment for the ball deflating. Your version that the NFL only punished Brady for his involvement in deflating the balls is disproven by the plain language of Vincent's letter. In an appeal the hearing officer often looks for a way to give both sides something so the issue can be put to rest. I can see Goodell doing this "for the sake of the league" but still feel the need to support the findings in the Wells report. The easiest way to do that is to uphold the finding of culpability and the punishment for cheating but recognize that failing to cooperate has never resulted in a suspension and cut off a game of the suspension in favor of a fine. Whether you think the failure to cooperate aggravated the punishment for cheating or was treated as a separate offense in assessing the four game suspension, the appeal can be treated the same way. In your vast worldview, find one factual statement where anyone said he got 2 games for the violation and 2 games for being uncooperative. He was getting 4 games for cheating. period. There is not one law in the CBA that says a player has to hand over evidence. But hey arguing is what we do. Carry on. |
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Post by rexneffect on Jul 24, 2015 11:18:31 GMT -5
You really choose not to let things like facts or reason get in the way of your worldview. In your vast worldview, find one factual statement where anyone said he got 2 games for the violation and 2 games for being uncooperative. He was getting 4 games for cheating. period. There is not one law in the CBA that says a player has to hand over evidence. But hey arguing is what we do. Carry on. See this is what I am talking about. I never said the punishment was divided equally between the two infractions. There are no "laws" in the CBA. The CBA is a contract. But if we were to look at the CBA we would find this paragraph: The NFL generally considers failure to cooperate to be detrimental to the league, e.g. fining Farve for his failure to cooperate in an investigation. Each infraction of this paragraph of the CBA does not have to be enumerated. It is caught in the bolded catchall provision. If you read the excepts from Troy Vincent's letters then it is clear that the punishment to both Brady and NE were for both cheating and failing to fully cooperate. I don't know how much more black and white that could be. |
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