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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 15, 2014 12:41:10 GMT -5
We need to pray for Connor Cook to declare. And hope that he doesn't leap frog Winston if he does declare... fuckin Rex... One of my friends is a Michigan State alum and for some reason he doesn't think Cook projects well to the NFL. I didn't have a deep conversation about the guy but from people who have watched Cook every game for the past couple years they don't seem overwhelmingly enthusiastic. My friend said Cook's best move would be to return for one more year at MSU to get more NFL-ready.
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Post by southparkcpa on Dec 15, 2014 12:47:53 GMT -5
BOTTOM LINE: What really counts is to have the front office talent to identify the worthwhile player and then develop that player AND the team around him. Our problems are much bigger than picking 2nd vs 6th. If anything, the Jets may be better off following a Cowboys style path at this point. Investing in a top line by drafting and maybe moving Brick to RT if we can land a blue-chip OT. Build up the power running game. Switch D to a better-suited 4-3 scheme. Romo is no HOF'r. But he has good weapons and improved line play together with new NFL rules has transformed him from 'nearly done' to 'rejuvenated'. Geno is not even Romo, but he is okay on his feet and can likely develop further - possibly enough to be the game manager/seat holder until someone better comes along. Trying the desperation 'trade everything to anyone' QB-hunting strategy just gets you in Redskins-land. . . Absolutely. TOTAL team ... I believe that Flacco would be Sanchez if he played under REX. Im not high on Geno anymore but I cant imagine any QB succeeding under the Tanny disaster of signing Holmes and letting Cotch and Bray get away, signing Vlad etc.
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 15, 2014 12:51:06 GMT -5
Question - Does Sanchez look the same, better or worse now that he's played multiple games for a different head coach?
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 15, 2014 12:55:17 GMT -5
So we DOUBLE our chances of finding a Super Bowl QB if we pick him in the first round. Good enough for me. Notice how the better run organizations are even more prevalent in the SB-winner list than any individual QB. Sign me up for one of those . . . Now you're just being greedy.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 15, 2014 12:57:31 GMT -5
Question - Does Sanchez look the same, better or worse now that he's played multiple games for a different head coach? Better. Still sucks but better. And with guys like Geno Smith in the league Marky Mark is no longer the worst QB. Our offense was apocalyptic in 2012.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 15, 2014 12:57:53 GMT -5
We need to pray for Connor Cook to declare. And hope that he doesn't leap frog Winston if he does declare... fuckin Rex... One of my friends is a Michigan State alum and for some reason he doesn't think Cook projects well to the NFL. I didn't have a deep conversation about the guy but from people who have watched Cook every game for the past couple years they don't seem overwhelmingly enthusiastic. My friend said Cook's best move would be to return for one more year at MSU to get more NFL-ready. His accuracy can be off sometimes, likely a product of some inconsistencies in footwork and mechanics. Despite being from a pro-style offense he is a little raw, but he has the structure to take off and be as good as the other two if not better.
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Post by adpz on Dec 15, 2014 13:11:31 GMT -5
Question - Does Sanchez look the same, better or worse now that he's played multiple games for a different head coach? Sanchez stilll looks like Sanchez to me. Some bad mechanics still - but he seems less confused in Philly's offense so he has been more productive. I think he still throws a pretty bad deep ball and on the out routes. I really wonder whatever happened to his shoulder because he sure doesn't look like a guy with the physical tools to be taken 5th in the draft.
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Post by LSJF on Dec 15, 2014 13:22:25 GMT -5
Question - Does Sanchez look the same, better or worse now that he's played multiple games for a different head coach? Better. Still sucks but better. And with guys like Geno Smith in the league Marky Mark is no longer the worst QB. Our offense was apocalyptic in 2012. Ya mean ...look at the shit Sanchez had to throw to, plus dealing w Tebow(fuck u Woody, I know it was u who wanted him) Receivers 87 DaMarcus Ganaway(Sucks) 84 Stephen Hill(Sucks) 10 Santonio Holmes(Sucks) 89 Dexter Jackson(Sucks) 11 Jeremy Kerley (Decent to good) 16 Scotty McKnight(Sucks) 18 Royce Pollard(Sucks) 19 Eron Riley(Sucks) 85 Chaz Schilens(Sucks) 88 Patrick Turner(Sucks) 1 Raymond Webber(Sucks) Tight ends 45 Josh Baker FB(Sucks) 86 Jeff Cumberland (JAG, and that's a compliment) 83 Dedrick Epps(Sucks) 81 Dustin Keller( Decent to good JAG receiver) 43 Tarren Lloyd(who?) 82 Hayden Smith(garbage)
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Post by LSJF on Dec 15, 2014 13:26:56 GMT -5
I'll take my chances with a Mariota or Winston, who else is available in the draft of note? , every veteran QB supposedly available is mediocre(i guess that would be an upgrade for us)
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 15, 2014 13:42:45 GMT -5
Question - Does Sanchez look the same, better or worse now that he's played multiple games for a different head coach? Better. Still sucks but better. And with guys like Geno Smith in the league Marky Mark is no longer the worst QB. Our offense was apocalyptic in 2012.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 15, 2014 14:01:36 GMT -5
Fair enough. I like Romo - I was always a supporter of his because he knows how to play football - even if his gunslinger side gets him into trouble. I don't really mean to compare Romo and Geno because they are very different QBs. I am mostly saying that a more realistic model to resusciating this franchise is doing something different than the 'savior QB' model. I don't want to see the Jets turn into the Browns . . . Well, we're well on our way to turning into the Browns or Raiders if we continue to middle along without a legitimate QB. Again, the Jets are rarely in position to be within striking distance of a highly touted QB in the draft. Even when we suck, we usually don't suck enough. We usually end up as some 5-11 or 6-10 team picking at the tailend of the Top 10 or just outside of it. We have the worst QB situation in the league. We're essentially guaranteed a Top 5 pick in a draft that features not one, but two potential franchise QB's slated to go in that area. So what's the excuse for not walking away with one of them? Who would honestly rather go into next year and potentially the next 2-3 years with a QB like Brian Hoyer or Matt Moore instead of Mariota or Winston? Good point. What cost is prohibitive in landing one of them? Saving the picks towards other positions isn't going to get it done if you don't have that signal caller. And you're right, a new regime adding talent from another draft and big money in FA will certainly improve the team talent overall to the point where they can't tank to the extent of passing these perennial big losers in OAK, JAX, TB and others.
The Rams trotted out 6 players at intros in Washington (all selected from the RGIII trade) but they may be in a position where they can't get over the hump for many years. They have a lot of good talent but no QB. They're looking at 4th place in their own division for years to come at this rate but the talent level will not allow for them to tank at 2-14.
The NFL probably will likely need to impose a lottery system in the future because it makes too much sense now to tank for the top QB's. In a year like this with few QB prospects (and 2016 looks even bleaker), what choice do they have?
If TB & TEN are siting 1-2, there's no hope this year. To trade up you need OAK or JAX to be there.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 15, 2014 14:11:11 GMT -5
That gif of a Sanchez pick 6 made me think that all Sanchez could do is help Geno perfect the pick 6. Then it made me wonder if anyone kept pick 6 percentage. That led me to this article: www.footballperspective.com/most-pick-sixes-thrown-in-nfl-history/Check it out. Even though it is from 2013, it is instructive. The table is sortable. I thought that pick 6's as a percentage of total attempts was the best way to evaluate just how bad a QB is when it comes to the dreaded pick 6. Surprisingly, Sanchez was at .3% which is not so bad. But this is because it does not count his Fumble 6's. The worst offenders are north of .7% with the absolute worst being Chris Redman at 1.0% even. Geno, not surprisingly would top the list at 1.05% (8 on 758 attempts). In other words, Geno's pick 6 rate per attempt is historic.
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Post by adpz on Dec 15, 2014 14:30:57 GMT -5
That gif of a Sanchez pick 6 made me think that all Sanchez could do is help Geno perfect the pick 6. Then it made me wonder if anyone kept pick 6 percentage. That led me to this article: www.footballperspective.com/most-pick-sixes-thrown-in-nfl-history/Check it out. Even though it is from 2013, it is instructive. The table is sortable. I thought that pick 6's as a percentage of total attempts was the best way to evaluate just how bad a QB is when it comes to the dreaded pick 6. Surprisingly, Sanchez was at .3% which is not so bad. But this is because it does not count his Fumble 6's. The worst offenders are north of .7% with the absolute worst being Chris Redman at 1.0% even. Geno, not surprisingly would top the list at 1.05% (8 on 758 attempts). In other words, Geno's pick 6 rate per attempt is historic. So you're saying we have an historic QB? Sign me up . . .
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 15, 2014 18:31:14 GMT -5
Better. Still sucks but better. And with guys like Geno Smith in the league Marky Mark is no longer the worst QB. Our offense was apocalyptic in 2012. You see. He hit Peppers in the hands. Thats an improvement.
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Post by thebigragu on Mar 17, 2018 16:12:11 GMT -5
Blast from the past.
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