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Post by pcola on Dec 17, 2014 15:57:17 GMT -5
Eat a big creamy dick. no, seriously. Winning that game did absolutely nothing for this organization. But it did something for fans who actually want to see their team win. Yep, we keep thinking in the now. Don't worry about being competitive for the next decade. We beat the F'n Titans. And for the next several seasons while we are watching Brady clinch the AFC East, it won't matter because we'll have the Titans win que'd up on the DVR. Good times. No one will ever be able to take that win from us. Enemkpali can tell his grandkids about the time the Jets overcame all the odds and beat Charlie Whitehurst and the a titans and he had a sack that all but wrapped it up. Don't forget, this was Shonn Greene's revenge game. And we STILL won.
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Post by 10pennytocoles87 on Dec 17, 2014 15:58:15 GMT -5
Didn't the Steelers lose that superbowl? Remember the name Larry Brown? You may be right. But even just reaching the SB would be an improvement over everything the Jets have accomplished since SB I. I'd settle for that. At least for starters. You're a loser.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 16:18:45 GMT -5
Sorry I can't share your enthusiasm as I am getting flashbacks to the Gholston pick in 2008 when we dropped three spots on the last day simply to get an OT win against KC and our reward was to miss out on Matt Ryan who we would've had a shot at finishing 3-13 that year (ATL finished 4-12). Timely wins and timely losses separate franchises. Indy picked the right year to tank but it appears the Jets can't even get that right in both years they stink. Actually, the Gholston case is the perfect example for a Jets fan as to why draft position is not all that important (at least not if you're talking about moving a few slots either way). Imagine if the Jets got the #1 pick, picked Mariota, and then he played at the level of Gholston. Given the track record of Heisman-winning QB's, a poor QB is more likely than a great, or even good, one. I prefer to win now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 16:21:27 GMT -5
But it did something for fans who actually want to see their team win. Yep, we keep thinking in the now. Don't worry about being competitive for the next decade. We beat the F'n Titans. And for the next several seasons while we are watching Brady clinch the AFC East, it won't matter because we'll have the Titans win que'd up on the DVR. Good times. No one will ever be able to take that win from us. Enemkpali can tell his grandkids about the time the Jets overcame all the odds and beat Charlie Whitehurst and the a titans and he had a sack that all but wrapped it up. Don't forget, this was Shonn Greene's revenge game. And we STILL won. You get quality points for sarcasm. But moving a few draft slots either way does not make that much of a difference. The success of the Pats, Steelers, and Packers shows even very poor draft positioning can be converted into a winning team If you have the right scouts and the right smarts in the FO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 16:22:02 GMT -5
You may be right. But even just reaching the SB would be an improvement over everything the Jets have accomplished since SB I. I'd settle for that. At least for starters. You're a loser. And you're a SOJF.
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Post by LSJF on Dec 17, 2014 16:31:39 GMT -5
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Post by Harrier on Dec 17, 2014 16:43:07 GMT -5
It's not humanly possible to be happy with this win, had we slapped them by 40 then yes you can take solace that we are not far away and light years ahead of a bad team, however that was not the case, the titans are the true winners here however you want to spin it.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 16:47:55 GMT -5
Using your bizarro logic the Colts shouldn't have picked Luck because Russel was a #1 bust. Completely faulty logic and the win does absolutely nothing but weaken our draft position. So yea I am going to flame this ridiculous reasoning. Your Pats example is foolish because you basically discount a HOF QB in Brady. He allows the Pats to skimp with Gronk and a few WR, all while maintaining an elite passing attack. They were able to improve the defense with lower picks because you can find some high probability defensive players later in the first. Not the case with the QB (which you again conveniently ignored in your reasoning). You can also pick up FA pieces to fix a D. You can rarely pick up an FA QB like that. You are a very shortsighted fan. The win felt great, but without a young QB to develop you are basically happy about long term mediocrity all for us slipping by a shitty fucking titans team.
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Post by carlito1171 on Dec 17, 2014 16:49:29 GMT -5
Fuck that W and Fuck the Jets. Fuck this thread while we're at it. I hope you enjoy the mediocrity we just secured for ourselves for the next 5 years minimum
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Post by persiussa on Dec 17, 2014 16:51:27 GMT -5
In my opinion if you want the qb you have to lose, any other position there's just as good of a chance the 2nd 3rd or 4th guy off the board will be as good as the first. If we were set at qb id unquestionably root for the win.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 16:58:46 GMT -5
Using your bizarro logic the Colts shouldn't have picked Luck because Russel was a #1 bust. Completely faulty logic and the win does absolutely nothing but weaken our draft position. So yea I am going to flame this ridiculous reasoning. Your Pats example is foolish because you basically discount a HOF QB in Brady. He allows the Pats to skimp with Gronk and a few WR, all while maintaining an elite passing attack. They were able to improve the defense with lower picks because you can find some high probability defensive players later in the first. Not the case with the QB (which you again conveniently ignored in your reasoning). You can also pick up FA pieces to fix a D. You can rarely pick up an FA QB like that. You are a very shortsighted fan. The win felt great, but without a young QB to develop you are basically happy about long term mediocrity all for us slipping by a shitty fucking titans team. I guess the logic seems bizarro to you because what you say here shows that you did not understand the logic. No, I am not saying not to take Luck because Russel sucked. What I said was that you should not lose simply to get into a draft position for a chance at what seems like the best guy, because it is likely that guy will suck anyway. The thing to do is to pick the best guy available wherever you wind up in the draft. And if you're really lucky you can get a Brady in the 6th round, just like the Pats did. In the meantime, try to win every game you play.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 16:59:11 GMT -5
Sorry I can't share your enthusiasm as I am getting flashbacks to the Gholston pick in 2008 when we dropped three spots on the last day simply to get an OT win against KC and our reward was to miss out on Matt Ryan who we would've had a shot at finishing 3-13 that year (ATL finished 4-12). Timely wins and timely losses separate franchises. Indy picked the right year to tank but it appears the Jets can't even get that right in both years they stink. Actually, the Gholston case is the perfect example for a Jets fan as to why draft position is not all that important (at least not if you're talking about moving a few slots either way). Imagine if the Jets got the #1 pick, picked Mariota, and then he played at the level of Gholston. Given the track record of Heisman-winning QB's, a poor QB is more likely than a great, or even good, one. I prefer to win now. What fucking difference does it make? We aren't talking 10-6 and the playoffs with even a first round loss! It's a fucking 2-12 v. 3-11... or 5-11 if you want to win out. Congrats and this is meaningful why? Win now and we get... the same damn thing with lower draft picks. And I have no idea what your logic is with Gholston is. If we were 3 picks higher we grab Ryan instead of Gholston, but that wasn't an option because we won a meaningless game. Stop trying to be logical... because you are not being logical. You have ridiculous desires as a fan that you are trying to wrap in logic.
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Post by TheMo on Dec 17, 2014 17:01:47 GMT -5
Using your bizarro logic the Colts shouldn't have picked Luck because Russel was a #1 bust. Completely faulty logic and the win does absolutely nothing but weaken our draft position. So yea I am going to flame this ridiculous reasoning. Your Pats example is foolish because you basically discount a HOF QB in Brady. He allows the Pats to skimp with Gronk and a few WR, all while maintaining an elite passing attack. They were able to improve the defense with lower picks because you can find some high probability defensive players later in the first. Not the case with the QB (which you again conveniently ignored in your reasoning). You can also pick up FA pieces to fix a D. You can rarely pick up an FA QB like that. You are a very shortsighted fan. The win felt great, but without a young QB to develop you are basically happy about long term mediocrity all for us slipping by a shitty fucking titans team. I guess the logic seems bizarro to you because what you say here shows that you did not understand the logic. No, I am not saying not to take Luck because Russel sucked. What I said was that you should not lose simply to get into a draft position for a chance at what seems like the best guy, because it is likely that guy will suck anyway. The thing to do is to pick the best guy available wherever you wind up in the draft. And if you're really lucky you can get a Brady in the 6th round, just like the Pats did. In the meantime, try to win every game you play. Hahahahahaha that is logic... now I've seen it all l o l
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 17:02:59 GMT -5
In my opinion if you want the qb you have to lose, any other position there's just as good of a chance the 2nd 3rd or 4th guy off the board will be as good as the first. If we were set at qb id unquestionably root for the win. What you and everyone else who want to Jets to lose are failing to appreciate is that is doesn't matter one lick what anybody roots for as far as where the team will wind up in the draft. I root for the Jets to win because I enjoy seeing them win. If it gives you and a lot of other fans pleasure to see them lose, well, go ahead and enjoy every loss. Regardless, the Jets will wind up in exactly the same place in the draft no matter what anybody is rooting for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 17:07:47 GMT -5
I guess the logic seems bizarro to you because what you say here shows that you did not understand the logic. No, I am not saying not to take Luck because Russel sucked. What I said was that you should not lose simply to get into a draft position for a chance at what seems like the best guy, because it is likely that guy will suck anyway. The thing to do is to pick the best guy available wherever you wind up in the draft. And if you're really lucky you can get a Brady in the 6th round, just like the Pats did. In the meantime, try to win every game you play. Hahahahahaha that is logic... now I've seen it all l o l Well if you can stop laughing long enough to be able to actually engage your brain, how about an answer to Warner Wolf's point? In 80 years of the Heisman only 3 Heisman-winning QB's have done anything: Staubach, Plunkett, and Testaverde. If you want to pile up losses for a chance at Mariota, enjoy yourself. I'd rather see them win. OK. Now you can go back to laughing.
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