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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 22, 2016 9:28:43 GMT -5
Agreed. That's really how I feel about this whole draft class on the offensive side of the ball. Very underwhelming class with little elite talent and depth. Now had the Jets drafted Gurley and DGB last year instead of Williams and Smith, this team would be SO much better off right now going into this draft. But, whatever, what do we know, right?? I absolutely loved Todd Gurley last yr, but there is no way I was passing up Williams for Gurley . The Talent of Williams is far too great and the career expectations as far as length doesn't even compare.
That said, there is plenty of solid offensive talent in this draft that can set the Jets up for yrs too come. My 1st pick in this draft would probably be 1 of 3 positions (QB, OT or OLB ) depending on where they fall . My 2nd pick would probably be a RB and I have zeroed in on Devontae Booker .
Look, I get the logic behind the Williams pick, but there is a very real argument to be made that this team would be better with Gurley/DGB instead of Williams and Smith. But if I can get 5 years of elite RB production on a rookie contract, then I really don't care about length of careers and having to re-sign a guy 6 years from now (unless it's a QB of course). |
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Post by Paradis on Jan 22, 2016 11:06:49 GMT -5
I absolutely loved Todd Gurley last yr, but there is no way I was passing up Williams for Gurley . The Talent of Williams is far too great and the career expectations as far as length doesn't even compare.
That said, there is plenty of solid offensive talent in this draft that can set the Jets up for yrs too come. My 1st pick in this draft would probably be 1 of 3 positions (QB, OT or OLB ) depending on where they fall . My 2nd pick would probably be a RB and I have zeroed in on Devontae Booker .
Look, I get the logic behind the Williams pick, but there is a very real argument to be made that this team would be better with Gurley/DGB instead of Williams and Smith. But if I can get 5 years of elite RB production on a rookie contract, then I really don't care about length of careers and having to re-sign a guy 6 years from now (unless it's a QB of course). You'd have to be insane to say that this team wouldn't have benefited from Gurley over Williams... I can't proclaim with authority that Williams is unequivocally is a lesser football player, but I CAN say without any doubt whatsoever that THIS team would have seen a significant improvement offensively from Gurley. Williams merely added more of the same between Richardson and Wilk. His impact was moderate at best. If those fucks in the FO would ever just listen to me.... Gurley and DGB... COULD YOU IMAGINE???.... Marshall/Decker/DGB.... Ivor/Gurley/Powell last year? |
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Post by beerfish on Jan 22, 2016 12:51:32 GMT -5
Gurley was a risky pick, I still maintain it was. RB coming off a major knee injury. I also do not remember many people if anyone blasting the jets for taking williams instead of gurley at the time. As for DGB, we will see how he does a few years from now as his ability was never an issue, his character was. (And for the record I would have been more than fine with taking him with our 2nd rounder and am not afraid to take a Rb in round one. I'd be happy to get Elliot this year.)
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Post by RobR on Jan 22, 2016 13:08:37 GMT -5
Spriggs needs MAJOR work in the weight room. For a guy his size he gets no push and plays extremely timid.....where is that nastiness from a 6'7" guy? Consistently misses at the second level which is a huge cause for concern if you plan on pulling and running screens. He does play with good technique, good feet, good hand placement, and is quick off the ball so he can be developed. Unless he steps it up in the next few months I'm thinking a 2nd rounder that can develop with some time. The more I watch of this OT class, the less enthused I am by the day. Since you are taking requests, how about Willie Beavers as a small school guy? He was a Paradis guy and was covered in one of the other threads. Only had one game film to go by but overall I liked him. |
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Post by RobR on Jan 22, 2016 13:10:19 GMT -5
Wrong thread Tinstar. This is about Olineman....tell me what you got and why. Love Stanley but we got no chance at him, so why bother.
I am high on Jason Spriggs who I think needs a year in the weight room . Kid has nice feet and is aggressive which works as a detriment to him because he's not strong enough.
I like Taylor Decker but I think he will end up being a better RT . Don't get me wrong, I think he can play on the blind side, but I just don't see him as athletic enough against the quicker edge Rushers.
I like Hawkins who I think is a better fit on the blind side than Decker . The athleticism that I don't see with Decker is there with Hawkins . All these guys need to hit the weight room and get thrown in against Wilkerson and Richardson early and often so they can see what they need to work on.
I really like this kid from Oregon, but his knees scare the heck out of me . Tyler Johnstone's tape against Shilique Calhoun did it for me. That game made me look at Calhoun differently. I now think of him as a 43 DE only. In the Stanford game, he showed a combination of finesse and tenacity that makes for an excellent LT> kid's knees scare the crap out of me thou.
By the way, I think the Kid from Ole Miss and the kid from A&M will be OGs at the next level.
Well this year we are definitely in the same ball park regarding these tackles. Good write-up. |
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Post by Paradis on Jan 22, 2016 18:29:29 GMT -5
I finally watched his Bama and Ole Miss tape from this year. He looks very raw and when you couple that with 24 years old that is a huge obstacle for him. He is slow off the snap, which is odd because he does have very athletic feet, and that is hard to find. He needs too use his arms better to keep the defenders off of him and stop throwing his head into the defender. Those are all correctable mistakes that hopefully he can straighten out at the next level. I see him as more of a guard at the next level with the ability to move out to RT. He does well in run blocking when he gets his meat hooks on you but misses at the second level all to often and seems confused when the other team runs a stunt. He fixates on his pre snap assignment and doesn't make the necessary corrections when they mix it up. I wouldn't touch him in the first two rounds but someone might fall in love with his athletic feet and take him higher. Gil's sharing some of your sentiments: |
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Post by Touchable on Jan 26, 2016 11:52:55 GMT -5
Not an OT (at least not in the NFL) but I'd snatch up Cody Whitehair in a heartbeat if he's still there in Round 2.
Rock solid starter at either guard spot for the next decade.
Cut Breno and sign an OT like Cordy Glenn and draft Whitehair and the right side of the OL could be dramatically improved.
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Post by beerfish on Jan 26, 2016 12:21:57 GMT -5
I think Glenn will command a fair bit of cash, will be a priority Fa or a lot of teams.
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Post by RobR on Apr 30, 2016 20:01:54 GMT -5
Finally got through the 4 tapes on DB of Brandon Shell and I have mixed feelings. His 2014 tape as a RT was MUCH better than his 2015 tape as a LT.
What I like: He has a prototypical build and nice long arms for the RT position, I don't see a LT at all. I think his feet are better than advertised and he's strong at the POA. He never gets pushed back and does OK with speed rushers that only run in an arc.
What I don't like and unfortunately this list is longer: He is absolutely atrocious when it comes to the double move, meaning a hard outside arc followed by a swim or rip. He doesn't recognize it and can't counter it getting beat routinely and cleanly. Whenever a defender crosses his face he's left flailing for air. Looks like a penalty machine as I counted four false starts that weren't called. You don't see much second level blocks but that is the norm now and I won't fault him for that. I wish he would finish blocks better and play to the whistle, I always see him looking around at what's happening instead of punishing his man. Many throw the term waist bender around and he is the classic example of one.
Overall I think he can be a player because of his size, length, and his decent feet. He is not nearly ready for game action but given where he was selected that is to be expected. He's a guy you can work with, hopefully our coaches can get the best out of him and he becomes a starter at RT in 2017.
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Post by maury77 on May 1, 2016 6:08:31 GMT -5
Finally got through the 4 tapes on DB of Brandon Shell and I have mixed feelings. His 2014 tape as a RT was MUCH better than his 2015 tape as a LT. What I like: He has a prototypical build and nice long arms for the RT position, I don't see a LT at all. I think his feet are better than advertised and he's strong at the POA. He never gets pushed back and does OK with speed rushers that only run in an arc. What I don't like and unfortunately this list is longer: He is absolutely atrocious when it comes to the double move, meaning a hard outside arc followed by a swim or rip. He doesn't recognize it and can't counter it getting beat routinely and cleanly. Whenever a defender crosses his face he's left flailing for air. Looks like a penalty machine as I counted four false starts that weren't called. You don't see much second level blocks but that is the norm now and I won't fault him for that. I wish he would finish blocks better and play to the whistle, I always see him looking around at what's happening instead of punishing his man. Many throw the term waist bender around and he is the classic example of one. Overall I think he can be a player because of his size, length, and his decent feet. He is not nearly ready for game action but given where he was selected that is to be expected. He's a guy you can work with, hopefully our coaches can get the best out of him and he becomes a starter at RT in 2017. I watched his 2015 tape against Missouri and it wasn't great. However, Charles Harris, the DE from Missouri, looks like an absolute beast! |
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