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Post by Touchable on Jan 27, 2016 12:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by TheMo on Jan 27, 2016 14:14:31 GMT -5
Not getting the urge to trade Mo. Yes you have to pay him, but that's what happens when you draft well. Richardson is only one year younger and we only have control over him for next year. Let him rehab his value and trade him if you like. But Mo is the better long term investment paired with Williams. Richardson is a self aggrandizing fool who will want as much as wilk and is a moron off the field.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 27, 2016 14:41:02 GMT -5
Not getting the urge to trade Mo. Yes you have to pay him, but that's what happens when you draft well. Richardson is only one year younger and we only have control over him for next year. Let him rehab his value and trade him if you like. But Mo is the better long term investment paired with Williams. Richardson is a self aggrandizing fool who will want as much as wilk and is a moron off the field. Those are some very salient points and at least the presence of Shel and Williams on the current roster give the Jets a bit of leverage. Plus Mo is a Jersey kid who went to Temple. So, perhaps he has a desire to stay in the New York/New Jersey area. |
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Post by Lithfan on Jan 27, 2016 16:04:45 GMT -5
I like what you have laid out here, but it is the money that concerns me -- I don't see how we could do everything you suggest and fit within the cap. Assume we have about $10MM cap space right now (according to over the cap -- spotrac has us at about $12MM). Cro adds $8Mil Breno about $3.8 Mil Kerley ~$1.3 Cumberland 1.9 Puts us about $25 Mil. Add another $10 if we free up space restructuring Brick and Mangold, puts us at $35M Tag Mo -- that would be about a $15M hit, so we are down to $20. Assume about $8M hit for Fitz and we are down to $12M in space for the four free agents (Massie, Ware, Tate & Crick), plus Powell and Henderson and the draft class. Don't see it all fitting within the cap. |
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Post by Touchable on Jan 27, 2016 19:01:09 GMT -5
I like what you have laid out here, but it is the money that concerns me -- I don't see how we could do everything you suggest and fit within the cap. Assume we have about $10MM cap space right now (according to over the cap -- spotrac has us at about $12MM). Cro adds $8Mil Breno about $3.8 Mil Kerley ~$1.3 Cumberland 1.9 Puts us about $25 Mil. Add another $10 if we free up space restructuring Brick and Mangold, puts us at $35M Tag Mo -- that would be about a $15M hit, so we are down to $20. Assume about $8M hit for Fitz and we are down to $12M in space for the four free agents (Massie, Ware, Tate & Crick), plus Powell and Henderson and the draft class. Don't see it all fitting within the cap. The tag money with Wilkerson really has me wondering if Mac will trade him. I think we'd all like to keep Mo, but if we could trade him and recoup a 1st round pick + put the money we would've paid him towards retaining Harrison and signing a passrusher like Bruce Irvin... I'd probably make the move |
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Post by Lithfan on Jan 27, 2016 20:12:10 GMT -5
I like what you have laid out here, but it is the money that concerns me -- I don't see how we could do everything you suggest and fit within the cap. Assume we have about $10MM cap space right now (according to over the cap -- spotrac has us at about $12MM). Cro adds $8Mil Breno about $3.8 Mil Kerley ~$1.3 Cumberland 1.9 Puts us about $25 Mil. Add another $10 if we free up space restructuring Brick and Mangold, puts us at $35M Tag Mo -- that would be about a $15M hit, so we are down to $20. Assume about $8M hit for Fitz and we are down to $12M in space for the four free agents (Massie, Ware, Tate & Crick), plus Powell and Henderson and the draft class. Don't see it all fitting within the cap. The tag money with Wilkerson really has me wondering if Mac will trade him. I think we'd all like to keep Mo, but if we could trade him and recoup a 1st round pick + put the money we would've paid him towards retaining Harrison and signing a passrusher like Bruce Irvin... I'd probably make the move I have been thinking about that too. If we deal Mo and can get a package similar to what we got for Revis a few years ago -- mid-first and a 4th for example. And we used the $15 mil saved to bring in a starting OL, Edge rusher and sign Snacks, plus a first rounder for Mo, then thats a lot of holes we could fill. The one unknown in the scenario though, is Sheldon. Do you take a chance at dealing Mo without knowing the suspension for Sheldon. Hopefully the league rules on Sheldon before the start of the new year in March, and maybe we would have the option of moving Sheldon instead of Mo. I love Mo and would love to see him be a Jet for life, but the team might be better if we can get the right deal for him. Glad I am not Macc and that I don't need to make that decision. |
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Post by Touchable on Jan 27, 2016 21:07:17 GMT -5
The tag money with Wilkerson really has me wondering if Mac will trade him. I think we'd all like to keep Mo, but if we could trade him and recoup a 1st round pick + put the money we would've paid him towards retaining Harrison and signing a passrusher like Bruce Irvin... I'd probably make the move I have been thinking about that too. If we deal Mo and can get a package similar to what we got for Revis a few years ago -- mid-first and a 4th for example. And we used the $15 mil saved to bring in a starting OL, Edge rusher and sign Snacks, plus a first rounder for Mo, then thats a lot of holes we could fill. The one unknown in the scenario though, is Sheldon. Do you take a chance at dealing Mo without knowing the suspension for Sheldon. Hopefully the league rules on Sheldon before the start of the new year in March, and maybe we would have the option of moving Sheldon instead of Mo. I love Mo and would love to see him be a Jet for life, but the team might be better if we can get the right deal for him. Glad I am not Macc and that I don't need to make that decision. And if they feel inclined to do so, that extra 1st would potentially give the Jets the ammunition to make a move for a kid like Wentz or Goff. A team like San Fran could drop back to #20, pick up an extra 1st and maybe a 3rd/4th, and still get a QB like Lynch or Cook. Hell, maybe Chip thinks he can turn around Kaepernick and doesn't even take a QB in the 1st round. Or, just as a hypothetical... You re-sign Harrison in addition to bringing in a starting OT and passrusher with the money you save from trading Mo, then you take a kid like Elliott at #20 and a LB like Jaylon Smith or a wideout like Treadwell/Coleman with the other pick. A lot of good could come from moving on from Wilk... |
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Post by tinstar on Jan 27, 2016 21:18:48 GMT -5
Can't agree guys. I have to keep this defensive line together for 1 more season and see what transpires between Wilk and Richardson.
My biggest concern is not the defensive line, but the 14mil cap hit that is Brick Ferguson . I don't want to restructure his contract adding more yrs and dumping money into it, so either he takes a nice pay cut or we look at moving away from him.
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Post by Touchable on Jan 27, 2016 21:22:31 GMT -5
Can't agree guys. I have to keep this defensive line together for 1 more season and see what transpires between Wilk and Richardson. My biggest concern is not the defensive line, but the 14mil cap hit that is Brick Ferguson . I don't want to restructure his contract adding more yrs and dumping money into it, so either he takes a nice pay cut or we look at moving away from him. Brick taking a pay cut goes without saying But he's still at least an average starting LT who you can count on to play literally each and every snap. I think it's a given that he'll be back for another year or two at around $6-7 million per. |
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Post by RobR on Jan 27, 2016 21:26:27 GMT -5
Can't agree guys. I have to keep this defensive line together for 1 more season and see what transpires between Wilk and Richardson. My biggest concern is not the defensive line, but the 14mil cap hit that is Brick Ferguson . I don't want to restructure his contract adding more yrs and dumping money into it, so either he takes a nice pay cut or we look at moving away from him. Brick taking a pay cut goes without saying But he's still at least an average starting LT who you can count on to play literally each and every snap. I think it's a given that he'll be back for another year or two at around $6-7 million per. No way in hell will he agree to a paycut that steep. It will never happen and I don't think Brick is even average anymore. His ship started sailing a few years ago and now it's sinking. He's arguably our worst OLineman. |
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Post by Touchable on Jan 27, 2016 21:29:57 GMT -5
Brick taking a pay cut goes without saying But he's still at least an average starting LT who you can count on to play literally each and every snap. I think it's a given that he'll be back for another year or two at around $6-7 million per. No way in hell will he agree to a paycut that steep. It will never happen and I don't think Brick is even average anymore. His ship started sailing a few years ago and now it's sinking. He's arguably our worst OLineman. It's either that or he hits the open market and is forced to settle on a similar or even lesser deal. For a guy like Brick who is already in his 30's and is a NY lifer, I think there's a good chance he'd rather just stay and finish out his career here. |
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Post by tinstar on Jan 27, 2016 22:38:57 GMT -5
No way in hell will he agree to a paycut that steep. It will never happen and I don't think Brick is even average anymore. His ship started sailing a few years ago and now it's sinking. He's arguably our worst OLineman. It's either that or he hits the open market and is forced to settle on a similar or even lesser deal. For a guy like Brick who is already in his 30's and is a NY lifer, I think there's a good chance he'd rather just stay and finish out his career here. And here I thought I was the only Jet fans that saw this . You might as well know that Bitonti is going to come after you about this if he's on this site. I have been wanting to trade this guy for 3 yrs now. He's so bad now we might not get much for him . |
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Post by Lithfan on Jan 28, 2016 7:36:28 GMT -5
It's either that or he hits the open market and is forced to settle on a similar or even lesser deal. For a guy like Brick who is already in his 30's and is a NY lifer, I think there's a good chance he'd rather just stay and finish out his career here. And here I thought I was the only Jet fans that saw this . You might as well know that Bitonti is going to come after you about this if he's on this site. I have been wanting to trade this guy for 3 yrs now. He's so bad now we might not get much for him . At his salary, he has $0 trade value. Either he agrees to a pay cut, or we have to cut him. $14 million vs $5 mil in dead money. If we cut him, can we find a starting LT for less than the $9 mil we save. I think we probably could. |
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Post by tinstar on Jan 28, 2016 8:26:51 GMT -5
And here I thought I was the only Jet fans that saw this . You might as well know that Bitonti is going to come after you about this if he's on this site. I have been wanting to trade this guy for 3 yrs now. He's so bad now we might not get much for him . At his salary, he has $0 trade value. Either he agrees to a pay cut, or we have to cut him. $14 million vs $5 mil in dead money. If we cut him, can we find a starting LT for less than the $9 mil we save. I think we probably could. I bet Bears fans were saying the same thing about Brandon Marshal last off season. Ferguson belongs on a team like the Saints who throw the ball a lot more than they run the ball. I would call the Bears and see if they have an interest in Ferguson . Give Chip Kelly a call and see what he would offer for Ferguson.
We all know he has to restructure that contract, so why not let him do it somewhere else.
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Post by Lithfan on Jan 28, 2016 9:00:51 GMT -5
At his salary, he has $0 trade value. Either he agrees to a pay cut, or we have to cut him. $14 million vs $5 mil in dead money. If we cut him, can we find a starting LT for less than the $9 mil we save. I think we probably could. I bet Bears fans were saying the same thing about Brandon Marshal last off season. Ferguson belongs on a team like the Saints who throw the ball a lot more than they run the ball. I would call the Bears and see if they have an interest in Ferguson . Give Chip Kelly a call and see what he would offer for Ferguson.
We all know he has to restructure that contract, so why not let him do it somewhere else.
Fair point -- trade may be a possibility if another team has their eye on him and does not want him to hit the open market. No matter what he does, its going to be an interesting offseason -- some really big decisions for Macc. |
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