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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 28, 2016 9:16:17 GMT -5
I don't see any of these trade scenarios happening. Tag and trade deals are rare because the team trading for the player has to give up high picks PLUS pay big money, they just don't happen. Brick has little to no trade value at his current price and has all the leverage against a team who would potentially trade for him, it's either cut him or restructure him by converting some base salary to bonus and add a couple non-guaranteed window dressing years so you can prorate his bonus.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 28, 2016 9:18:30 GMT -5
I don't see any of these trade scenarios happening. Tag and trade deals are rare because the team trading for the player has to give up high picks PLUS pay big money, they just don't happen. Brick has little to no trade value at his current price and has all the leverage against a team who would potentially trade for him, it's either cut him or restructure him by converting some base salary to bonus and add a couple non-guaranteed window dressing years so you can prorate his bonus. trading Mo only happens if he has already negotiated a new contract with the other team before the trade, just like the Jets did with Revis. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 28, 2016 9:28:59 GMT -5
I don't see any of these trade scenarios happening. Tag and trade deals are rare because the team trading for the player has to give up high picks PLUS pay big money, they just don't happen. Brick has little to no trade value at his current price and has all the leverage against a team who would potentially trade for him, it's either cut him or restructure him by converting some base salary to bonus and add a couple non-guaranteed window dressing years so you can prorate his bonus. trading Mo only happens if he has already negotiated a new contract with the other team before the trade, just like the Jets did with Revis. Revis wasn't a tagged free agent though, who is going to give up two first round picks for Wilkerson? |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 28, 2016 10:30:23 GMT -5
trading Mo only happens if he has already negotiated a new contract with the other team before the trade, just like the Jets did with Revis. Revis wasn't a tagged free agent though, who is going to give up two first round picks for Wilkerson? I never said tow first round picks, but if someone works out a long term deal with Mo that he can sign once traded, then I do think the Jets could get a first round pick and a third/fourth. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 28, 2016 10:41:20 GMT -5
Revis wasn't a tagged free agent though, who is going to give up two first round picks for Wilkerson? I never said tow first round picks, but if someone works out a long term deal with Mo that he can sign once traded, then I do think the Jets could get a first round pick and a third/fourth. What tag are putting on Wilk? Exclusive or non-exclusive? The rules vary for each designation. Regardless, if the Jets tag him they have to be prepared for the possibility of him to play at that price, so if they have the room to tag him, they have the room to sign him long term. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 28, 2016 11:07:22 GMT -5
I never said tow first round picks, but if someone works out a long term deal with Mo that he can sign once traded, then I do think the Jets could get a first round pick and a third/fourth. What tag are putting on Wilk? Exclusive or non-exclusive? The rules vary for each designation. Regardless, if the Jets tag him they have to be prepared for the possibility of him to play at that price, so if they have the room to tag him, they have the room to sign him long term. Non-Exclusive so we get 2 first round picks if he signs an offer with another team. So, they use the Non-exclusive franchise tag which I believe must be designated prior to the draft. Mo gets to negotiate with other teams. This allows the Jets to assess his market value vs. his value to the Jets (which may be less due tho their cap constraints and the presence of Williams/Richardson). Perhaps a team makes an offer and we let him go for 2 first round draft picks; or a team negotiates with him and wants him but not at the cost of 2 first round draft picks and works out a trade for a first and third, or something like that; or the negotiating with other teams helps the Jets in their negotiations with Mo. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 28, 2016 11:16:54 GMT -5
What tag are putting on Wilk? Exclusive or non-exclusive? The rules vary for each designation. Regardless, if the Jets tag him they have to be prepared for the possibility of him to play at that price, so if they have the room to tag him, they have the room to sign him long term. Non-Exclusive so we get 2 first round picks if he signs an offer with another team. So, they use the Non-exclusive franchise tag which I believe must be designated prior to the draft. Mo gets to negotiate with other teams. This allows the Jets to assess his market value vs. his value to the Jets (which may be less due tho their cap constraints and the presence of Williams/Richardson). Perhaps a team makes an offer and we let him go for 2 first round draft picks; or a team negotiates with him and wants him but not at the cost of 2 first round draft picks and works out a trade for a first and third, or something like that; or the negotiating with other teams helps the Jets in their negotiations with Mo. I'm not sure you can negotiate the compensation for non-exclusive tag. Regardless, it's a moot point because it's bad business for the team trading for Wilkerson. The practice of trading high draft picks and then paying big money just doesn't happen very often, and the few times it has, it hasn't worked out well at all for the team trading for the player. Every year people come up these trade scenarios and they just don't happen because they don't make sense. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 28, 2016 11:28:38 GMT -5
Non-Exclusive so we get 2 first round picks if he signs an offer with another team. So, they use the Non-exclusive franchise tag which I believe must be designated prior to the draft. Mo gets to negotiate with other teams. This allows the Jets to assess his market value vs. his value to the Jets (which may be less due tho their cap constraints and the presence of Williams/Richardson). Perhaps a team makes an offer and we let him go for 2 first round draft picks; or a team negotiates with him and wants him but not at the cost of 2 first round draft picks and works out a trade for a first and third, or something like that; or the negotiating with other teams helps the Jets in their negotiations with Mo. I'm not sure you can negotiate the compensation for non-exclusive tag. Regardless, it's a moot point because it's bad business for the team trading for Wilkerson. The practice of trading high draft picks and then paying big money just doesn't happen very often, and the few times it has, it hasn't worked out well at all for the team trading for the player. Every year people come up these trade scenarios and they just don't happen because they don't make sense. When the player is franchised, he does not have a contract until he signs. No one ever signs the "franchise" contract until training camp/pre-season because they lose what little leverage they have for negotiating a long term deal, plus if you are non-exclusive you are using the opportunity to negotiate with other teams. No reason in the world the Jets shouldn't use the non-exclusive franchise tag on Mo. Are you saying that if a team is crazy enough to give up 2 first round picks to get Mo, you'd be upset? |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Jan 28, 2016 11:40:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure you can negotiate the compensation for non-exclusive tag. Regardless, it's a moot point because it's bad business for the team trading for Wilkerson. The practice of trading high draft picks and then paying big money just doesn't happen very often, and the few times it has, it hasn't worked out well at all for the team trading for the player. Every year people come up these trade scenarios and they just don't happen because they don't make sense. When the player is franchised, he does not have a contract until he signs. No one ever signs the "franchise" contract until training camp/pre-season because they lose what little leverage they have for negotiating a long term deal, plus if you are non-exclusive you are using the opportunity to negotiate with other teams. No reason in the world the Jets shouldn't use the non-exclusive franchise tag on Mo. Are you saying that if a team is crazy enough to give up 2 first round picks to get Mo, you'd be upset? Ok, this is getting tedious, what team would give up TWO first round picks AND pay big money to Wilkerson? Where are all these examples of tagged players being traded for high picks? |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Jan 28, 2016 12:28:39 GMT -5
When the player is franchised, he does not have a contract until he signs. No one ever signs the "franchise" contract until training camp/pre-season because they lose what little leverage they have for negotiating a long term deal, plus if you are non-exclusive you are using the opportunity to negotiate with other teams. No reason in the world the Jets shouldn't use the non-exclusive franchise tag on Mo. Are you saying that if a team is crazy enough to give up 2 first round picks to get Mo, you'd be upset? Ok, this is getting tedious, what team would give up TWO first round picks AND pay big money to Wilkerson? Where are all these examples of tagged players being traded for high picks? There is a first for everything. All I'm saying is that the non exclusive should be used to gauge interest and help set his market value. It is the smart move. ....also I can't remember every detail but it certainly worked out for the jets when they gave up picks to sign Curtis Martin when he was a... Restricted Free Agent??? |
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