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Post by Paradis on Jan 22, 2016 15:42:54 GMT -5
Based on what I've seen Robinson is easily the 3rd, maybe even 2nd best WR in the draft... he's incredibly gifted and reminds me of Dez Bryant, a comparison i haven't thrown around before. He's dominant in virtually every phase of the game.
With that said, I really don't know what to make of this (and other reports I've read). These "reports" are always incredibly vague about why/what/when... There's talk of weed, but nothings been confirmed. All I know is, there's no criminal activity here, and the guy is flat out made for the NFL... while walter is eating too much opium if he thinks he'll last till 6th - a slide into the 3/4 is quite possible.
What a steal that would be. I'll trust management's due process.
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Post by Paradis on Feb 22, 2016 11:52:12 GMT -5
A roto-blurb on Pauline's commentary...
sounds like me and two tone tony are the same page. If character was an issue id have Robinson over Treadwell myself. The conversation would be Coleman vs Robinson. He's the first WR I've seen in years that warrants the Dez comp label.
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Post by beerfish on Feb 22, 2016 12:49:45 GMT -5
The more I see this issue the more the risk is, there are so few Tyran mathieus and I'm still waiting for him to falter sooner or later. As Dr House says, 'people don't change'. Gregory, Josh whats his name for the browns, heck even burfict, kenny britt on and on and on. Talent is very tantalizing but I am afraid of character concerns it really hurts your team overall not just the loss of one player for a few games.
Look at Richardson, awesome player, loads of talent, big dumbass that we are all holding our breaths about as to the next time he is going to fluff up.
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Post by Paradis on Feb 22, 2016 13:48:00 GMT -5
The more I see this issue the more the risk is, there are so few Tyran mathieus and I'm still waiting for him to falter sooner or later. As Dr House says, 'people don't change'. Gregory, Josh whats his name for the browns, heck even burfict, kenny britt on and on and on. Talent is very tantalizing but I am afraid of character concerns it really hurts your team overall not just the loss of one player for a few games. Look at Richardson, awesome player, loads of talent, big dumbass that we are all holding our breaths about as to the next time he is going to fluff up. I agree. 5 years ago I would have had a different answer, but after watching too many players get their careers erased (Blackmon?) I cant get behind that risk..... In the 1st. Now, round 4 on the clock, that's a different story. |
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Post by tinstar on Feb 22, 2016 14:01:29 GMT -5
The more I see this issue the more the risk is, there are so few Tyran mathieus and I'm still waiting for him to falter sooner or later. As Dr House says, 'people don't change'. Gregory, Josh whats his name for the browns, heck even burfict, kenny britt on and on and on. Talent is very tantalizing but I am afraid of character concerns it really hurts your team overall not just the loss of one player for a few games. Look at Richardson, awesome player, loads of talent, big dumbass that we are all holding our breaths about as to the next time he is going to fluff up. People don't change themselves is what you should say. People do change, but the problem is will they stay changed . |
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Post by beerfish on Feb 22, 2016 14:14:57 GMT -5
The more I see this issue the more the risk is, there are so few Tyran mathieus and I'm still waiting for him to falter sooner or later. As Dr House says, 'people don't change'. Gregory, Josh whats his name for the browns, heck even burfict, kenny britt on and on and on. Talent is very tantalizing but I am afraid of character concerns it really hurts your team overall not just the loss of one player for a few games. Look at Richardson, awesome player, loads of talent, big dumbass that we are all holding our breaths about as to the next time he is going to fluff up. People don't change themselves is what you should say. People do change, but the problem is will they stay changed . I won't dispute that but lets put it this way, sports and wealth and fame just add kindling to the fire for this kind of thing. In many cases it is a sooner or later kind of thing. Worth taking risks later in the draft? Maybe, depending on the character eval but even that is a risk, see burfict. Everyone hated burfuct, cincy picks him up, he is great, cincy are geniuses to get him for nothing really and then after the two yer honeymoon or so, boom, same old burfict. |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 22, 2016 16:02:42 GMT -5
Everyone hated burfuct, cincy picks him up, he is great, cincy are geniuses to get him for nothing really and then after the two yer honeymoon or so, boom, same old burfict. To play devils advocate -- so what? Every year teams lose players to injuries, retirement, decline in play, suspensions, free agency etc. If you can get 2+ Years out of Burfict for a late pick - or shit, no pick... Fucking A! NFL rosters are so year-to-year at this point that I wouldn't look at the Burfict situation with any less than envy. Winning a ring is so fucking hard these days. Everything has line up like the moons in Dark Crystal. I say get it where ever you can, just don't overpay. |
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Post by beerfish on Feb 22, 2016 17:17:14 GMT -5
Everyone hated burfuct, cincy picks him up, he is great, cincy are geniuses to get him for nothing really and then after the two yer honeymoon or so, boom, same old burfict. To play devils advocate -- so what? Every year teams lose players to injuries, retirement, decline in play, suspensions, free agency etc. If you can get 2+ Years out of Burfict for a late pick - or shit, no pick... Fucking A! NFL rosters are so year-to-year at this point that I wouldn't look at the Burfict situation with any less than envy. Winning a ring is so fucking hard these days. Everything has line up like the moons in Dark Crystal. I say get it where ever you can, just don't overpay. Well the fact that Burfict was a big helping hand in the team getting ass booted from the playoffs it is a rather big deal. If you can't count on players sooner or later and often and the worst time they might fall into their behavior. How has it worked out for the bungals to be poster boys for this kind of thing for years? It's fine to say, get them late thus no risk but when they lay well for a few years, get the big pay day and then boom! Now they screw up. Also the league itself is WAY more sensitive to this stuff than it was a few years back. How do the jets plan for the next 2 or 3 years? Gee we have richardson, hes pretty good but he might screw it up at any moment and get a year.....Gee and another year down the road the guy wants to get paid....what do we do? I understand what your saying but these headaches can go well beyond just the one player sitting out. |
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Post by Aussie Jet on Feb 22, 2016 22:53:33 GMT -5
Article on the Chicago Sun-Times on Robinson. He's staying with his Uncle Marcus for the duration of the period between now and the draft (excepting the combine, of course). chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/1341802/draft-days-florida-wr-demarcus-robinson-model-ex-bear-uncleReckons he's been tested twice a month for marijuana use since last being busted and hasn't returned a positive result. Admits he was stupid to break curfew that led to his suspension by the Gators for the game against FSU. No doubt he's being coached very carefully by his agent on what to say publicly, but if Maccagnan does his due diligence and likes what he sees when he's on the board after the first round with Robinson, I'd support his selection. Marshall is a beast of a WR but he's also 31. Decker is in his late 20s and behind those two, we don't have a whole lot of talent. It's not a need I'd address in the first few rounds of the draft, but the Jets have whiffed often enough on selecting WRs that Maccagnan should look at drafting a WR at some point in the draft (yes, I'm happy to write off Devin Smith already). |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Feb 23, 2016 5:44:55 GMT -5
Everyone hated burfuct, cincy picks him up, he is great, cincy are geniuses to get him for nothing really and then after the two yer honeymoon or so, boom, same old burfict. To play devils advocate -- so what? Every year teams lose players to injuries, retirement, decline in play, suspensions, free agency etc. If you can get 2+ Years out of Burfict for a late pick - or shit, no pick... Fucking A! NFL rosters are so year-to-year at this point that I wouldn't look at the Burfict situation with any less than envy. Winning a ring is so fucking hard these days. Everything has line up like the moons in Dark Crystal. I say get it where ever you can , just don't overpay. Exactly, it's always about the cost involved. Besides, how many players with squeaky clean character are drafted and don't work out? Is that really any different than taking a chance on a kid with exceptional talent but character issues and that not working out? Players come and go every year on NFL rosters, taking a chance on a player or two is not going to set your team back significantly. Is there really that much difference between drafting Stephen Hill or Devin Smith in the second round or drafting DGB and him busting because of off field issues? I would take a chance on the DGB type prospect everyday of the week. Would I invest a top 10 pick on a kid like that? No, but I would certainly consider anything from the second round and later on those types of kids. |
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Post by beerfish on Feb 23, 2016 10:16:02 GMT -5
To play devils advocate -- so what? Every year teams lose players to injuries, retirement, decline in play, suspensions, free agency etc. If you can get 2+ Years out of Burfict for a late pick - or shit, no pick... Fucking A! NFL rosters are so year-to-year at this point that I wouldn't look at the Burfict situation with any less than envy. Winning a ring is so fucking hard these days. Everything has line up like the moons in Dark Crystal. I say get it where ever you can , just don't overpay. Exactly, it's always about the cost involved. Besides, how many players with squeaky clean character are drafted and don't work out? Is that really any different than taking a chance on a kid with exceptional talent but character issues and that not working out? Players come and go every year on NFL rosters, taking a chance on a player or two is not going to set your team back significantly. Is there really that much difference between drafting Stephen Hill or Devin Smith in the second round or drafting DGB and him busting because of off field issues? I would take a chance on the DGB type prospect everyday of the week. Would I invest a top 10 pick on a kid like that? No, but I would certainly consider anything from the second round and later on those types of kids. If these thing were in total isolation of one player I'd be far more willing to risk things. They are not however. It's not just a matter of , oh this guy didn't work out with our 3rd rounder off he goes it usually is something like Gordon or blackmon. We have our talented #1 WR!, plan for the next year as if that is the case, guy gets suspended. Comes back, plays lights out or a year and half, gets suspend again, gets a huge pay day, gets suspended again. All this time the front office has no idea if they have a big hole in their line up or not. They can also poison a locker room if you are not careful. If it was just a matter of them playing great and keeping clean or busting bad and being tossed within a year or so it would be much easier but it often doesn't happen that clean. |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 23, 2016 11:17:53 GMT -5
Exactly, it's always about the cost involved. Besides, how many players with squeaky clean character are drafted and don't work out? Is that really any different than taking a chance on a kid with exceptional talent but character issues and that not working out? Players come and go every year on NFL rosters, taking a chance on a player or two is not going to set your team back significantly. Is there really that much difference between drafting Stephen Hill or Devin Smith in the second round or drafting DGB and him busting because of off field issues? I would take a chance on the DGB type prospect everyday of the week. Would I invest a top 10 pick on a kid like that? No, but I would certainly consider anything from the second round and later on those types of kids. If these thing were in total isolation of one player I'd be far more willing to risk things. They are not however. It's not just a matter of , oh this guy didn't work out with our 3rd rounder off he goes it usually is something like Gordon or blackmon. We have our talented #1 WR!, plan for the next year as if that is the case, guy gets suspended. Comes back, plays lights out or a year and half, gets suspend again, gets a huge pay day, gets suspended again. All this time the front office has no idea if they have a big hole in their line up or not. They can also poison a locker room if you are not careful. If it was just a matter of them playing great and keeping clean or busting bad and being tossed within a year or so it would be much easier but it often doesn't happen that clean. I had considered the "roster management/planning" argument as one of the more valid counter positions to take on a guy like Robinson - but it's a pretty loose fitting argument at best. At the end of the day, does it really matter if you lost josh Gordon to SUSP or Jordy Nelson to an ACL? As a GM you are responsible for depth at every position. Yes, you can minimize risks by not having Gordons on your roster, but if the replacement is Brandon LaFell then I'll take my chances. I really do think (in contemporary NFL) you have to exhaust all options for adding talent. That's why GMs get paid well, is to have plan B,C,D etc. A squad of altar boys is not the path of least resistance to the Lombardi |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 23, 2016 11:23:47 GMT -5
Article on the Chicago Sun-Times on Robinson. He's staying with his Uncle Marcus for the duration of the period between now and the draft (excepting the combine, of course). chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/1341802/draft-days-florida-wr-demarcus-robinson-model-ex-bear-uncleReckons he's been tested twice a month for marijuana use since last being busted and hasn't returned a positive result. Admits he was stupid to break curfew that led to his suspension by the Gators for the game against FSU. No doubt he's being coached very carefully by his agent on what to say publicly, but if Maccagnan does his due diligence and likes what he sees when he's on the board after the first round with Robinson, I'd support his selection. Marshall is a beast of a WR but he's also 31. Decker is in his late 20s and behind those two, we don't have a whole lot of talent. It's not a need I'd address in the first few rounds of the draft, but the Jets have whiffed often enough on selecting WRs that Maccagnan should look at drafting a WR at some point in the draft (yes, I'm happy to write off Devin Smith already). Nice find, bro. Mos def on the being coached up for PR.... With these situations you gotta let your poppa GM do his thing, interview etc and make the call. Risk relative to talent over time squared is the formula. Love the talent. Dunno enough about the risk |
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Post by beerfish on Feb 23, 2016 11:26:17 GMT -5
This is really in my mind is area of flat out luck in many cases and the nfl hates that word for anything other than the name of a franchise QB. Get a character issue guy later on and he turns out good your a genius (Honey badger so far), get a guy who falls on his ass and you are a bum gm (Blackmon). I do not disagree that you need to weight risk and that goes for guys who are injured as well when drafted. I simply hate when my team for multiple years has the sword of damocles over its head becasue great player A is due for a one year suspension next time he screws up.
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Post by jets.penguin on Feb 28, 2016 14:54:59 GMT -5
what are his stats from last year? I dont want to draft another receiver who has less than 60 catches last season...no more of these guys with 20 or 30 catches and loads of "potential"
fuck potential, I want production.
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