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Post by CTJetsFanII on Apr 14, 2016 11:44:40 GMT -5
Just asking because I seem to recall a lot of people being disappointed that he decided to return for his senior year and that we weren't going to have a shot at him (or 1 of the other QBs had he been taken ahead of them) sitting at #4 last year.
MSU had a good year and he put up decent (not great) #s last year and missed some time. Admittedly didn't watch a lot of his games and I've heard the "he wasn't a captain" argument and that there may be some personality issues. Is that the main issue with him?
Just curious
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Post by maury77 on Apr 14, 2016 11:50:27 GMT -5
For me, the main issues with Cook are his tape (very inconsistent) and his completion percentage. I think he gets overrated because he has experience in a pro style offense and looks like a pro quarterback.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Apr 14, 2016 11:56:45 GMT -5
For me, the main issues with Cook are his tape (very inconsistent) and his completion percentage. I think he gets overrated because he has experience in a pro style offense and looks like a pro quarterback. Fair point. But given the fact that there seems to be so few QBs running a pro-style offense in college, one would think that it still has to be a big plus. They talk about QBs coming from the spread (ex. Petty) needing 2-3 years to be able to compete in the NFL. Do you think his completion % #s are lower because he doesn't come from a spread offense where guys like Geno put up gaudy #s? Also, how much of a factor is the quality of his WRs in determining his completion % as well?
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Post by beerfish on Apr 14, 2016 12:09:13 GMT -5
The team captain bit has meant nothing all to me from day one. I was a big supporter of Cook the year before last. Then I saw some of his games last year and he didn't look the same to me. Didn't look to be making a lot of dynamic plays, was missing on some shorter passes he had no right to be missing on. It almost looked like he was playing it safe in games, that might not have been totally his fault, msu usually has a strong defense.
I looked at his play this past year and projecting the large leap to the NFL with better defenses, smaller windows, overall better competition, he has fallen for me. Some team will like him enough to draft him reasonably high (early 2nd round, perhaps a late 1st?). I just hope it isn;t the Jets.
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Post by beerfish on Apr 14, 2016 12:09:23 GMT -5
The team captain bit has meant nothing all to me from day one. I was a big supporter of Cook the year before last. Then I saw some of his games last year and he didn't look the same to me. Didn't look to be making a lot of dynamic plays, was missing on some shorter passes he had no right to be missing on. It almost looked like he was playing it safe in games, that might not have been totally his fault, msu usually has a strong defense.
I looked at his play this past year and projecting the large leap to the NFL with better defenses, smaller windows, overall better competition, he has fallen for me. Some team will like him enough to draft him reasonably high (early 2nd round, perhaps a late 1st?). I just hope it isn't the Jets.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Apr 14, 2016 12:19:38 GMT -5
The team captain bit has meant nothing all to me from day one. I was a big supporter of Cook the year before last. Then I saw some of his games last year and he didn't look the same to me. Didn't look to be making a lot of dynamic plays, was missing on some shorter passes he had no right to be missing on. It almost looked like he was playing it safe in games, that might not have been totally his fault, msu usually has a strong defense. I looked at his play this past year and projecting the large leap to the NFL with better defenses, smaller windows, overall better competition, he has fallen for me. Some team will like him enough to draft him reasonably high (early 2nd round, perhaps a late 1st?). I just hope it isn't the Jets. Good observations. It just makes me wonder how a player like Wentz can be considered a top 5 prospect when he played against FCS/1-AA competition? I get that he has all of the physical tools, but not sure how complicated the North Dakota State playbook was vs. MSU's either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 12:49:23 GMT -5
I think a lot of people lost interest in him during the 2014 season. At the start of the 2014 season a lot of people were saying he was a bonafide top 10 pick, if not #1. But there was no real improvement in his game from 2013 to 2014 and some would say he played worse. I wouldn't be surprised if his decision to stay in school after the 2014 season was based in part on the fact that he had dropped well down in the eyes of scouts. He really didn't do anything to change those minds this year...regardless of all this not a captain stuff.
I saw him play in person in 2014 and was not impressed at all. He had a good game statistically against an awful IU defense, but he just didn't have the "look" of a #1 guy. There was nothing about him that really impressed or stood out in terms of arm strength, accuracy, speed of release, mobility etc.
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Post by cmart on Apr 14, 2016 13:07:45 GMT -5
For me, the main issues with Cook are his tape (very inconsistent) and his completion percentage. I think he gets overrated because he has experience in a pro style offense and looks like a pro quarterback. Jim Miller ex-MSU / NFL QB does radio on MSU games says Cook's completion % is low because he's throwing down the field and not throwing a lot of bubble screens. Also, Cook had a sore arm (I'm not sure why & to the extent) but that would have affected his throwing. His pro day his arm was fine per Miller He says the Captain thing is a bunch of BS. And as has been mentioned Boomer Esiason wasn't a Capt. Anyone question his leadership? If Chan thinks he's a QB he can work/win with that's fine by me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 13:25:37 GMT -5
For me, the main issues with Cook are his tape (very inconsistent) and his completion percentage. I think he gets overrated because he has experience in a pro style offense and looks like a pro quarterback. Jim Miller ex-MSU / NFL QB does radio on MSU games says Cook's completion % is low because he's throwing down the field and not throwing a lot of bubble screens. Also, Cook had a sore arm (I'm not sure why & to the extent) but that would have affected his throwing. His pro day his arm was fine per Miller He says the Captain thing is a bunch of BS. And as has been mentioned Boomer Esiason wasn't a Capt. Anyone question his leadership? If Chan thinks he's a QB he can work/win with that's fine by me. His Completion % has always been craptastic for college. 58.7 in 2013 58.1 in 2014 56.1 this year. Those are bottom half D-I numbers. Considering MSU is a top-10 talent type team, you would expect better numbers regardless of the system he was in, considering he got to play 4-5 games a year against teams the likes IU, Purdue, Rutgers, directional Michigan etc. etc.
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Post by cmart on Apr 14, 2016 13:30:17 GMT -5
Jim Miller ex-MSU / NFL QB does radio on MSU games says Cook's completion % is low because he's throwing down the field and not throwing a lot of bubble screens. Also, Cook had a sore arm (I'm not sure why & to the extent) but that would have affected his throwing. His pro day his arm was fine per Miller He says the Captain thing is a bunch of BS. And as has been mentioned Boomer Esiason wasn't a Capt. Anyone question his leadership? If Chan thinks he's a QB he can work/win with that's fine by me. His Completion % has always been craptastic for college. 58.7 in 2013 58.1 in 2014 56.1 this year. Those are bottom half D-I numbers. Considering MSU is a top-10 talent type team, you would expect better numbers regardless of the system he was in, considering he got to play 4-5 games a year against teams the likes IU, Purdue, Rutgers, directional Michigan etc. etc. Yeah I read Cook mention that is the 1 stat he doesn't have on the Bill Parcells needed qualifications for drafting a QB. mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25550469/connor-cook-the-qb-no-one-is-talking-about-wont-last-long-in-nfl-draft
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Apr 14, 2016 14:09:06 GMT -5
Good read. Thanks for posting cmart. At least I now know I'm not completely crazy.
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Post by ruby2 on Apr 14, 2016 15:00:29 GMT -5
Right or wrong people put a lot of stock into how he played against the most pro like nfl caliber defense in CFB in the showing against Alabama.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Apr 14, 2016 15:20:13 GMT -5
Right or wrong people put a lot of stock into how he played against the most pro like nfl caliber defense in CFB in the showing against Alabama. Understandable.
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Post by Peebag on Apr 14, 2016 16:00:49 GMT -5
Again - I've watched a lot of this guy for the past few years...if he fell into the Jets hands, I'd be really happy.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 17, 2016 20:24:22 GMT -5
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