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Post by Lithfan on Apr 29, 2016 9:47:33 GMT -5
What a load shit. ...writers kept shovelling this "the jets just NEED so many pieces right now" narrative down our throats... Fck off. What we need is a fcking QB. We could spend an eternity trying to maintain the roster and fight off age, but it's all an exercise in futility without a quarterback I really really hope I was wrong about Lynch, cause otherwise Macc just passed on the next Big Ben - and I'll never forgive him for that Either that, or maybe Petty can be the guy. If Lynch is a hit for Denver, then Petty had better be the guy for us. Fucking QB drops right into out laps and we pass. We have all seen the Marino video. They guy in the striped shirt, being interviewed after we selected Ken O'Brien. "Obviously the Jets know something that the people up here don't." I have always been that guy. I usually wake up the day after the draft and have convinced myself the pick will be great. Vernon Gholston was going to be a disruptive force like Lawrence Taylor. Sanchez, he was going to be our Joe Montana. Coples was going to be Terrell Suggs. Calvin Pryor even had the hair to fly around the field and make plays like Troy Polamalu. The Idzik 12 was going to transform the roster, bringing youth, leadership & depth that was lost during the Tanny era. Idzik was our savior, it was brilliant the way he picked guys like Jeremiah George, Brandon Dixon and Dakota Dozier. Or so I thought. With 12 picks, I told myself, he intentionally picked guys to redshirt for a season because you could not fit 12 rookies on the roster. I have always been more RayRay than JetRepulsion. I remember sitting on my couch watching the 2nd round of the draft in 2013. The day after we selected Milliner, the guy who was going to make us all forget Revis. The Eagles were on the clock just a pick or two ahead of us. I was praying that they would take Geno to get him off the board. Once they passed and we were on the clock, I kept thinking anyone but Smith here. And as soon as we took him, I convinced myself he would be the guy. How could he miss, he led his team to 70+ points in the Orange Bowl against Clemson. I was sitting in the stands that night. Geno was going to be great, I just knew it. I watched Jet Nation on SNY last night. I saw guys like Tony Pauline, Erik Coleman and Mike Westhoff, who know so much more about football than I do. They love the pick. I should too. Macc and Bowles obviously like the guy. They know way more about football than I do. I should buy into the pick. I haven't been able to. Maybe I just ran out of green kool aid.
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Post by adpz on Apr 29, 2016 9:51:58 GMT -5
"As enticing as Lynch’s physical skills and potential are, they could not afford to use their first-round pick on a project quarterback who may or may not pan out when they need too much help right now." This quote from the article is so much horseshit. Why though? Whether or not they could afford to take a chance right now is certainly debatable, the part of him being a project probably isn't as much. There is a bit of perspective not in the Lynch discussion: 1) I get the visible skills that people like - but there is really not much in his record that says he's going to succeed at the NFL level. His last 5 games in college he was 1-4 - including a bad beat from a mediocre Auburn team in the Birmingham Bowl. He's coming out as a Junior. He scored an 18 on the Wonderlic. Freaking Cardale Jones scored a 25. 2) Minus the height, isn't this just the general sort of prospect Petty is/was? And there's no bloom off the Petty rose as far as I am concerned. He has a big arm, is a gamer, and could do very well in a Gailey system. Dunno - the Lynch love reminds me of low-level players in baseball. They can look awesome in A-ball but the higher levels seperate the wheat from the chaff. The number of 'can't-miss' guys that floundered on the beaches of AA and AAA is really high. And from what I heard and read of Memphis, that system seems like many many miles away from the big leauges.... not sorry we didn't pick him.
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Post by Fishooked on Apr 29, 2016 9:53:20 GMT -5
What a load shit. ...writers kept shovelling this "the jets just NEED so many pieces right now" narrative down our throats... Fck off. What we need is a fcking QB. We could spend an eternity trying to maintain the roster and fight off age, but it's all an exercise in futility without a quarterback I really really hope I was wrong about Lynch, cause otherwise Macc just passed on the next Big Ben - and I'll never forgive him for that There's no profanity filter here fuck fuck #fuck FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK See?
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 29, 2016 9:57:11 GMT -5
I'd love to see them go for Spriggs in Round 2 but there's no way he makes it t0 50. I'm surprised he made it out of round 1 I'm not surprised he's still there but he should go quickly now. Early Round 2 is the spot for the 5th or 6th best OT in the Draft. I really hope the Jets could find a way to land him if he slips into the 40's, but I don't know. If it's not Spriggs then I'd be happy getting one of the Tier 2 QBs like Hackenberg or Cook, or looking to fill one of our other needs with a player taken at the appropriate spot. For example, this draft is deep on DLine (don't roll your eyes), but finding a stud 2-down run-stopping NT like Snacks would be nice in Round 2 or 3. The Jets should also consider that Mangold is heading into his homestretch. A guy like C Nick Martin wouldn't be a bad pick and could potentially play some OG for a year or two right next to Nick before sliding over to start at Center. Also, don't be surprised if the Jets really open some eyes by going with a LB again. It sounds crazy but I see Darron Lee as an eventual 3-down ILB who could also potentially cover TEs or RBs coming out of the backfield, but I think the Jets might still want to grab a true OLB or pass-rushing specialist who maybe can't cover too well and is more of Mauldin type again. This might be the year to fix that second level of the defense. Pace is gone, Demario Davis is gone, Harris won't be here forever, etc. Bowles wants to play 3-4 more than 4-3 if he has the choice.....but his personnel still doesn't line up with a true 3-4. Darron Lee is a start...but there's still work to do.
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Post by adpz on Apr 29, 2016 9:58:47 GMT -5
What a load shit. ...writers kept shovelling this "the jets just NEED so many pieces right now" narrative down our throats... Fck off. What we need is a fcking QB. We could spend an eternity trying to maintain the roster and fight off age, but it's all an exercise in futility without a quarterback I really really hope I was wrong about Lynch, cause otherwise Macc just passed on the next Big Ben - and I'll never forgive him for that Lynch better be a bust or Macs is a goner. I still find it hard to stomach that Denver liked Lynch so much to trade up for him and yet the Jets just let him pass right by in the dark of night. I was listening to a podcast with John Smoltz before baseball started up again - and he spent forever talking about how much he thinks that Shelby Miller is going to be the next great pitcher and really work out well in ARZ. I love Smoltz - one of the greatest, smartest pitchers of all time. And yet, Shelby Miller is getting shellacked all over again, just like last year. Not everyone follows baseball, but the point is that even great people at their position get it just as wrong as everyone else. If it were easy to be right, the best players would make the best scouts - and that's clearly never been the case anywhere, in any league, at any level. I think Elway reached because a) why not - in their position and b) HE couldn't really live it down if PL turned into something good in KC.
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Post by ash1962 on Apr 29, 2016 10:02:03 GMT -5
In my small humble opinion, last night typifies why the Denver Broncos win SB's and the NY Jets are lucky to sniff a WC every 5-10 years. At 20, I would have grabbed Lynch no questions asked. I have no idea who or how good Lee is, I only know we could have gone 8-8 next year without him and possibly found our future at QB which this franchise has not had in eons. Whenever I hear about an OSU LB, Anthony Schlegel comes to my mind and that is not good. I hope I am totally wrong, but I feel as though we wasted our first round pick last night.
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Post by Harrier on Apr 29, 2016 10:04:43 GMT -5
What a load shit. ...writers kept shovelling this "the jets just NEED so many pieces right now" narrative down our throats... Fck off. What we need is a fcking QB. We could spend an eternity trying to maintain the roster and fight off age, but it's all an exercise in futility without a quarterback I really really hope I was wrong about Lynch, cause otherwise Macc just passed on the next Big Ben - and I'll never forgive him for that This is where I'm struggling with Macc's strategy, he seems convinced we are in win now mode with an ageing roster, how can he think that with no viable quarterback solution? He went BPA for a day one starter that married need with Lee but I'm gettin conflictin messages on whether we are trying to win now or build for the future. I agree if he was good enough for Elway then why not us? He seems to be in a win now mode then in the next breath he's talkin about executing a long term plan. I'm all over the place with him because I'm of the mindset you can't win now without a quarterback, Mac seems like safety first dude, he needed balls to select Lynch but he went for the safe option with this Lee, he just doesn't strike me as a risk taker. If he thinks we can win now with Fitz he's fuckin kiddin himself.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Apr 29, 2016 10:04:57 GMT -5
Lynch better be a bust or Macs is a goner. I still find it hard to stomach that Denver liked Lynch so much to trade up for him and yet the Jets just let him pass right by in the dark of night. I was listening to a podcast with John Smoltz before baseball started up again - and he spent forever talking about how much he thinks that Shelby Miller is going to be the next great pitcher and really work out well in ARZ. I love Smoltz - one of the greatest, smartest pitchers of all time. And yet, Shelby Miller is getting shellacked all over again, just like last year. Not everyone follows baseball, but the point is that even great people at their position get it just as wrong as everyone else. If it were easy to be right, the best players would make the best scouts - and that's clearly never been the case anywhere, in any league, at any level. I think Elway reached because a) why not - in their position and b) HE couldn't really live it down if PL turned into something good in KC. How is that any different for Mac and the Jets if Lynch turns into something in Denver? Where are Macs and the Jets Super Bowl rings? For one thing taking Lynch at 20 wouldn't have been a "reach", second, has there been a bigger need for this franchise over the last decade and a half than QB?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 10:05:42 GMT -5
How many people in the Lynch crowd would be ok with Hackenberg? I wasn't really anti or pro Lynch. If they took him at 20, fine. I think Hackenberg has a lot of the same risk/reward that Lynch does, with a lot of the same passing tools. I feel the same way about taking Hackenberg as Lynch. If they take him, fine. If they don't, fine. Just don't move up to do it. As a fellow Big Ten guy, I'm sure you've seen your fair share of Hackenberg. I'm just not impressed at all. I watched him in person shit the bed 2 years ago against an IU defense that everyone throws for 350+ on. I think he finished that day sub 50% with no tds and a pick six. Edit - here are his stats that day: 12/29 168 0 TDs 2 Ints (including a pick six). Penn St. beat IU 13-7 that day. Mind you that IU Defense gave up the following point totals that year: 28, 45, 31, 37, 49, 45, 56, 34, 45, 42, 23. Certainly one game doesn't make or break a guy but he's wildly inconsistent which leaves me very very concerned.
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Post by beerfish on Apr 29, 2016 10:05:53 GMT -5
So for our second rounder are we going to pick a freakin safety or reach for an olineman after Spriggs is already gone or reach for a Qb who should be drafted in the 4th round? Which will it be?
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Post by MDL JET on Apr 29, 2016 10:05:58 GMT -5
Either that, or maybe Petty can be the guy. If Lynch is a hit for Denver, then Petty had better be the guy for us. Fucking QB drops right into out laps and we pass. That's the only upsetting part. Maybe Mac values the other QBs available higher then he does Lynch. Who knows. It's just tiring seeing this team whiff so badly and miss out on elite players when they were staring us right in the face. I though the Jets have a pretty good situation to take even a project at QB. A veteran offense, he doesn't have to start day 1. It's not like the coach or GM is getting fired anytime soon. Oh well..
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Post by rangerous on Apr 29, 2016 10:07:07 GMT -5
God damn this team. I probably like Lee a lot more than most people around here BUT, passing on Lynch could end up costing Mac his job in a couple years. This pretty much guarantees that Hackenberg will be a Jet at some point tonight. 18 on the wonderlic? i am hoping maccagnan and the scouts talked to this guy and still found him to be dumb as a stump. if not then maybe he should've been picked. but also consider they already have a tall and talented qb project in petty. lynch played in a small program. the only thing i see that was even remotely wrong was the texans flipping the 22 for the 21. if they wanted fuller so much they could have flipped with the jets.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 10:07:40 GMT -5
Lynch better be a bust or Macs is a goner. I still find it hard to stomach that Denver liked Lynch so much to trade up for him and yet the Jets just let him pass right by in the dark of night. I know right? Elway who may know a thing or two about the position - fresh off a Lombardi - obviously saw something he liked. They have major Qb problems to address.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 29, 2016 10:08:25 GMT -5
What a load shit. ...writers kept shovelling this "the jets just NEED so many pieces right now" narrative down our throats... Fck off. What we need is a fcking QB. We could spend an eternity trying to maintain the roster and fight off age, but it's all an exercise in futility without a quarterback I really really hope I was wrong about Lynch, cause otherwise Macc just passed on the next Big Ben - and I'll never forgive him for that Either that, or maybe Petty can be the guy. If Lynch is a hit for Denver, then Petty had better be the guy for us. Fucking QB drops right into out laps and we pass. We have all seen the Marino video. They guy in the striped shirt, being interviewed after we selected Ken O'Brien. "Obviously the Jets know something that the people up here don't." I have always been that guy. I usually wake up the day after the draft and have convinced myself the pick will be great. Vernon Gholston was going to be a disruptive force like Lawrence Taylor. Sanchez, he was going to be our Joe Montana. Coples was going to be Terrell Suggs. Calvin Pryor even had the hair to fly around the field and make plays like Troy Polamalu. The Idzik 12 was going to transform the roster, bringing youth, leadership & depth that was lost during the Tanny era. Idzik was our savior, it was brilliant the way he picked guys like Jeremiah George, Brandon Dixon and Dakota Dozier. Or so I thought. With 12 picks, I told myself, he intentionally picked guys to redshirt for a season because you could not fit 12 rookies on the roster. I have always been more RayRay than JetRepulsion. I remember sitting on my couch watching the 2nd round of the draft in 2013. The day after we selected Milliner, the guy who was going to make us all forget Revis. The Eagles were on the clock just a pick or two ahead of us. I was praying that they would take Geno to get him off the board. Once they passed and we were on the clock, I kept thinking anyone but Smith here. And as soon as we took him, I convinced myself he would be the guy. How could he miss, he led his team to 70+ points in the Orange Bowl against Clemson. I was sitting in the stands that night. Geno was going to be great, I just knew it. I watched Jet Nation on SNY last night. I saw guys like Tony Pauline, Erik Coleman and Mike Westhoff, who know so much more about football than I do. They love the pick. I should too. Macc and Bowles obviously like the guy. They know way more about football than I do. I should buy into the pick. I haven't been able to. Maybe I just ran out of green kool aid. I don't ty to convince myself of such things. I should, but I don't. I do however - genuinely hope the guys we have on our roster become NFL soldiers. I want them to be great... This regime howver.. Fuck. They're quickly on their way to be known as the "we passed" crew. Passed on Gurley. Passed on DGB. Passed on Lynch... It's not they're making roger Vick selections, but seem to be missing the apple staring right back at them.
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Post by rangerous on Apr 29, 2016 10:11:22 GMT -5
One thing that is thrown around a lot that I find totally irrelevant is that we've taken so many defensive players in the 1st round. While, yes, that is frustrating as fans... it wasn't this regime that did it. You can't expect them to not go BPA to break a streak they didn't start. So far I trust in Mac. I haven't felt that way in a long time. true enough. what is relevant is when guys like coples, gholston and wilson don't pan out.
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