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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Aug 3, 2016 10:36:40 GMT -5
I disagree. We should subsidize farming - Hell, we should nationalize it almost. Same with electric companies, oil companies and any other sector that provides a good or service that is critical to our existence (hence, do not nationalize Dunkin donuts or Best Buy).
Granted, the current gov't (not to mean Obungler, but in general) can't run shit.. but in a perfect world, we would subsidize food, energy and energy distribution to ensure all Americans eat cheaply, our power grids are updated and protected, and oil, the lifeblood of our economy right now, is cheap and plentiful.
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 3, 2016 10:42:29 GMT -5
I disagree. We should subsidize farming - Hell, we should nationalize it almost. Same with electric companies, oil companies and any other sector that provides a good or service that is critical to our existence (hence, do not nationalize Dunkin donuts or Best Buy). Granted, the current gov't (not to mean Obungler, but in general) can't run shit.. but in a perfect world, we would subsidize food, energy and energy distribution to ensure all Americans eat cheaply, our power grids are updated and protected, and oil, the lifeblood of our economy right now, is cheap and plentiful. Sounds like Venezuela. Doesnt end well. |
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Post by Trades on Aug 3, 2016 10:44:49 GMT -5
I disagree. We should subsidize farming - Hell, we should nationalize it almost. Same with electric companies, oil companies and any other sector that provides a good or service that is critical to our existence (hence, do not nationalize Dunkin donuts or Best Buy). Granted, the current gov't (not to mean Obungler, but in general) can't run shit.. but in a perfect world, we would subsidize food, energy and energy distribution to ensure all Americans eat cheaply, our power grids are updated and protected, and oil, the lifeblood of our economy right now, is cheap and plentiful. I hope that was sarcasm. Like you said the government can run anything properly. I just went to my local DMV because the "live" cam showed there was no line. I got there and you couldn't even pull into the parking lot because it was so crowded. The only thing that generates incentives for improvement and innovation is OPEN competition. |
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Post by Trades on Aug 3, 2016 10:46:56 GMT -5
I disagree. We should subsidize farming - Hell, we should nationalize it almost. Same with electric companies, oil companies and any other sector that provides a good or service that is critical to our existence (hence, do not nationalize Dunkin donuts or Best Buy). Granted, the current gov't (not to mean Obungler, but in general) can't run shit.. but in a perfect world, we would subsidize food, energy and energy distribution to ensure all Americans eat cheaply, our power grids are updated and protected, and oil, the lifeblood of our economy right now, is cheap and plentiful. Sounds like Venezuela. Doesnt end well. You don't want to wait in line for 12 hours for bread? |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Aug 3, 2016 10:49:46 GMT -5
Like I said, our gov't sucks to do it right now, so I wouldn't advocate it right now.
That said, I do NOT agree that US oil companies should have the right to sell oil that is pumped out of OUR soil internationally when they can flood the US market and make gas cheap, which is a vital asset to making our nation run. If they cry about not making enough money that way, then that's when I would subsidize. America's natural resources for AMERICANS FIRST.
Same with food, though that's not a problem right now - but I would still subsidize to keep the food supply abundant.
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Post by Trades on Aug 3, 2016 10:51:27 GMT -5
Like I said, our gov't sucks to do it right now, so I wouldn't advocate it right now. That said, I do NOT agree that US oil companies should have the right to sell oil that is pumped out of OUR soil internationally when they can flood the US market and make gas cheap, which is a vital asset to making our nation run. If they cry about not making enough money that way, then that's when I would subsidize. America's natural resources for AMERICANS FIRST. Same with food, though that's not a problem right now - but I would still subsidize to keep the food supply abundant. All government sucks. We need less government not more. |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Aug 3, 2016 10:53:24 GMT -5
Like I said, our gov't sucks to do it right now, so I wouldn't advocate it right now. That said, I do NOT agree that US oil companies should have the right to sell oil that is pumped out of OUR soil internationally when they can flood the US market and make gas cheap, which is a vital asset to making our nation run. If they cry about not making enough money that way, then that's when I would subsidize. America's natural resources for AMERICANS FIRST. Same with food, though that's not a problem right now - but I would still subsidize to keep the food supply abundant. All government sucks. We need less government not more. In some regards, correct. But I am not a 100% free marketer when it comes to my country's necessary assets and resources. I'm a nationalist. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Aug 3, 2016 11:05:34 GMT -5
All government sucks. We need less government not more. In some regards, correct. But I am not a 100% free marketer when it comes to my country's necessary assets and resources. I'm a nationalist. Agreed. We need government for things like -National Security/local security -Infrastructure Im sure there are others. We dont need things like: Dept of Education -Since inception in 1979, US has fallen off the top as an educator of its citizens Dept of Energy - For what, Enacted to reduce oil dependency. It has almost 5,000 employees running for the door at 5pm doing nothing. Post Office - Only in government can you be a glorified newsboy and make near 100K and retire at 55. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 3, 2016 11:24:51 GMT -5
No government will ever be good enough to make something like that work. Communism doesn't work for many reasons but among them is because its against basic human nature and governments are run by humans, not machines.
The good news is we dont have to pick one or the other. There is plenty of oil on federal lands that the government could bring to market and achieve just what you described. If you want them to set minimal regulations to ensure that our energy costs are low domestically then I think that would be fine as well. But we cant just turn the keys over to the government.
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Aug 3, 2016 11:33:48 GMT -5
No government will ever be good enough to make something like that work. Communism doesn't work for many reasons but among them is because its against basic human nature and governments are run by humans, not machines. The good news is we dont have to pick one or the other. There is plenty of oil on federal lands that the government could bring to market and achieve just what you described. If you want them to set minimal regulations to ensure that our energy costs are low domestically then I think that would be fine as well. But we cant just turn the keys over to the government. That may work as well. But don't ever think I'm a Communist. What I described is not Communism - it's state controlled entities. It's not believing everyone is equal and should get equal pay, equal work, etc. Death to the commies. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Aug 3, 2016 11:39:39 GMT -5
No government will ever be good enough to make something like that work. Communism doesn't work for many reasons but among them is because its against basic human nature and governments are run by humans, not machines. The good news is we dont have to pick one or the other. There is plenty of oil on federal lands that the government could bring to market and achieve just what you described. If you want them to set minimal regulations to ensure that our energy costs are low domestically then I think that would be fine as well. But we cant just turn the keys over to the government. That may work as well. But don't ever think I'm a Communist. What I described is not Communism - it's state controlled entities. It's not believing everyone is equal and should get equal pay, equal work, etc. Death to the commies. I know youre not a communist and would never accuse you of such a thing. Although today some people think communism is cool. We should subsidize a one-way to ticket to Venezuela for them. |
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Post by Big L on Aug 3, 2016 11:50:31 GMT -5
Pretty sure "they" are working on feed for cattle that makes the cows fart less.
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Aug 3, 2016 12:17:39 GMT -5
That may work as well. But don't ever think I'm a Communist. What I described is not Communism - it's state controlled entities. It's not believing everyone is equal and should get equal pay, equal work, etc. Death to the commies. I know youre not a communist and would never accuse you of such a thing. Although today some people think communism is cool. We should subsidize a one-way to ticket to Venezuela for them. 45 million people killed by Mao. www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/ |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Aug 3, 2016 13:07:53 GMT -5
How about making sure conditions are humane and letting me pay what the market will bear for grass fed beef, free range chickens, etc. The cost of production will go up naturally, and people will probably buy less, and get a higher quality product. Everyone wins.
Sin taxes are bullshit, whether its on meat, alcohol, cigarettes or super size sodas.
And can we stop subsidizing the production of corn, which just gets turned into HFCS and causes medical issues?
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Post by flushingjet on Aug 3, 2016 21:02:22 GMT -5
Cow farts and air conditioners more dangerous than ISIS. We get it. Im sure you know more than you let on about how unsustainable the beef industry is. Cloning has that problem (cow) licked Attachments:
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