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Post by Paradis on Dec 9, 2016 12:08:37 GMT -5
I really like Adams, but if we are taking the perspective that RB is not a high value position and, therefore, should not be used on a top 5 selection, shouldn't we also say the same thing about a safety? At least with a RB we would be spending a premium pick on offense (which we have not done since Sanchez). I can't get behind any safety at 5, that's just me. If push came to shove, I could live with a cornerback, but my preference is still edge rusher or offense. Assuming we are picking somewhere 4 - 8, I think my ideal top 2 picks at this stage (a lot can change between now and April) would be to come away with Edge and RB in the first two rpunds. Which got me thinking, are we better off with a combo of say Derek Barnett/Tim Williams (assuming Garrett is gone) in the 1st and Freeman/Foreman/Chubb in the 2nd; or if we go RB and take Fournette/Cook in the 1st and Mckinley/Haynes in the 2nd. Just seems to me that the drop off in talent on the edge is much greater than the drop in RB that we would likely be better off going edge in the first. And I am one of the guys who has been screaming for offense for each of the past 3 or 4 years, just does not seem to be the way this draft is lining up. I'm gonna say this is one of those moments where over thinking gets us Vic Beasley, and just using your gut (and mounds of college tape to back it up) gets you Elliot. Presently -- who is having a bigger impact on actually winning games?.... Beasley or Elliot? The Tim Williamses come and go, but those 2 backs are legit franchise cornerstones. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 9, 2016 12:57:29 GMT -5
Assuming we are picking somewhere 4 - 8, I think my ideal top 2 picks at this stage (a lot can change between now and April) would be to come away with Edge and RB in the first two rpunds. Which got me thinking, are we better off with a combo of say Derek Barnett/Tim Williams (assuming Garrett is gone) in the 1st and Freeman/Foreman/Chubb in the 2nd; or if we go RB and take Fournette/Cook in the 1st and Mckinley/Haynes in the 2nd. Just seems to me that the drop off in talent on the edge is much greater than the drop in RB that we would likely be better off going edge in the first. And I am one of the guys who has been screaming for offense for each of the past 3 or 4 years, just does not seem to be the way this draft is lining up. I'm gonna say this is one of those moments where over thinking gets us Vic Beasley, and just using your gut (and mounds of college tape to back it up) gets you Elliot. Presently -- who is having a bigger impact on actually winning games?.... Beasley or Elliot? The Tim Williamses come and go, but those 2 backs are legit franchise cornerstones. Boy, as much as I like the idea of adding an edge rusher and RB, I think the Jets are better served trading back in the first round an picking an OT |
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Post by Lithfan on Dec 9, 2016 14:54:21 GMT -5
Assuming we are picking somewhere 4 - 8, I think my ideal top 2 picks at this stage (a lot can change between now and April) would be to come away with Edge and RB in the first two rpunds. Which got me thinking, are we better off with a combo of say Derek Barnett/Tim Williams (assuming Garrett is gone) in the 1st and Freeman/Foreman/Chubb in the 2nd; or if we go RB and take Fournette/Cook in the 1st and Mckinley/Haynes in the 2nd. Just seems to me that the drop off in talent on the edge is much greater than the drop in RB that we would likely be better off going edge in the first. And I am one of the guys who has been screaming for offense for each of the past 3 or 4 years, just does not seem to be the way this draft is lining up. I'm gonna say this is one of those moments where over thinking gets us Vic Beasley, and just using your gut (and mounds of college tape to back it up) gets you Elliot. Presently -- who is having a bigger impact on actually winning games?.... Beasley or Elliot? The Tim Williamses come and go, but those 2 backs are legit franchise cornerstones. I am really talking specific to this draft coming up, where there is greater depth of talent at the RB position than there was last year, where after Elliott there was a more significant drop off in talent to the next two backs -- Derrick Henry and Kenyan Drake. This year, I do not think there will be as big a drop off from the two top guys to other backs that should be available at the top of 2. |
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Post by Lithfan on Dec 9, 2016 14:55:14 GMT -5
I'm gonna say this is one of those moments where over thinking gets us Vic Beasley, and just using your gut (and mounds of college tape to back it up) gets you Elliot. Presently -- who is having a bigger impact on actually winning games?.... Beasley or Elliot? The Tim Williamses come and go, but those 2 backs are legit franchise cornerstones. Boy, as much as I like the idea of adding an edge rusher and RB, I think the Jets are better served trading back in the first round an picking an OT Can't argue with that, but as always, we would need to find a trading partner and they are not always there. |
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Post by maury77 on Dec 9, 2016 14:57:24 GMT -5
Assuming we are picking somewhere 4 - 8, I think my ideal top 2 picks at this stage (a lot can change between now and April) would be to come away with Edge and RB in the first two rpunds. Which got me thinking, are we better off with a combo of say Derek Barnett/Tim Williams (assuming Garrett is gone) in the 1st and Freeman/Foreman/Chubb in the 2nd; or if we go RB and take Fournette/Cook in the 1st and Mckinley/Haynes in the 2nd. Just seems to me that the drop off in talent on the edge is much greater than the drop in RB that we would likely be better off going edge in the first. And I am one of the guys who has been screaming for offense for each of the past 3 or 4 years, just does not seem to be the way this draft is lining up. I'm gonna say this is one of those moments where over thinking gets us Vic Beasley, and just using your gut (and mounds of college tape to back it up) gets you Elliot. Presently -- who is having a bigger impact on actually winning games?.... Beasley or Elliot? The Tim Williamses come and go, but those 2 backs are legit franchise cornerstones. I read that Brandon Pettigrew got waived. If the Jets pick him up, they would have Pettigrew and ASJ on the team at the same time.  |
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Post by maury77 on Dec 9, 2016 14:59:33 GMT -5
If either Orlando Brown or Mike McGlinchey enter the draft, they might be in the conversation at our pick.
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Post by Paradis on Dec 9, 2016 15:57:47 GMT -5
I'm gonna say this is one of those moments where over thinking gets us Vic Beasley, and just using your gut (and mounds of college tape to back it up) gets you Elliot. Presently -- who is having a bigger impact on actually winning games?.... Beasley or Elliot? The Tim Williamses come and go, but those 2 backs are legit franchise cornerstones. I am really talking specific to this draft coming up, where there is greater depth of talent at the RB position than there was last year, where after Elliott there was a more significant drop off in talent to the next two backs -- Derrick Henry and Kenyan Drake. This year, I do not think there will be as big a drop off from the two top guys to other backs that should be available at the top of 2. I'm on the record saying that D Henry was criminally underappreciated as a 3-down legit work horse back -- but i hear what you're saying. I guess if we want to make loose analogies though -- is it fair to say that just because 2014 was flush at WR, that it behoved teams to pass on Mike Evans or OBJ, so they could take Matthews or Landry? The latter two are very capable of starting on any team, but they're aren't within a country mile of the former 2. As important as it is to consider depth in the draft, and round-by-round value, you have to judge those top 20 picks exclusively in of themselves. Is there an OT worth passing on Cook for? Can you guarantee me that these guys aren't gonna to turn into Greg Robinson or Jason Smith? Cause i can guarantee you Dalvin Cook isn't bishop Sankey. |
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Post by Paradis on Dec 9, 2016 16:02:22 GMT -5
I'm gonna say this is one of those moments where over thinking gets us Vic Beasley, and just using your gut (and mounds of college tape to back it up) gets you Elliot. Presently -- who is having a bigger impact on actually winning games?.... Beasley or Elliot? The Tim Williamses come and go, but those 2 backs are legit franchise cornerstones. I read that Brandon Pettigrew got waived. If the Jets pick him up, they would have Pettigrew and ASJ on the team at the same time. The circle of life, complete. Paradis floats into the air wearing undersized briefs struggling to restrain his undersized manhood. |
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Post by Lithfan on Dec 9, 2016 17:46:10 GMT -5
I am really talking specific to this draft coming up, where there is greater depth of talent at the RB position than there was last year, where after Elliott there was a more significant drop off in talent to the next two backs -- Derrick Henry and Kenyan Drake. This year, I do not think there will be as big a drop off from the two top guys to other backs that should be available at the top of 2. I'm on the record saying that D Henry was criminally underappreciated as a 3-down legit work horse back -- but i hear what you're saying. I guess if we want to make loose analogies though -- is it fair to say that just because 2014 was flush at WR, that it behoved teams to pass on Mike Evans or OBJ, so they could take Matthews or Landry? The latter two are very capable of starting on any team, but they're aren't within a country mile of the former 2. As important as it is to consider depth in the draft, and round-by-round value, you have to judge those top 20 picks exclusively in of themselves. Is there an OT worth passing on Cook for? Can you guarantee me that these guys aren't gonna to turn into Greg Robinson or Jason Smith? Cause i can guarantee you Dalvin Cook isn't bishop Sankey. Fair enough. And I will be very happy with a guy like Cook, but there are no guarantees no matter who you take. Just look at what has happened to Todd Gurley who we both thought would be the next great back at this time last year, but he is having little to no impact this year -- on a dumpster fire of a team (that still beat us, even though that's not relevant to this discussion). Zeke was a great pick, but he also went to the perfect situation for an RB -- couldn't count on Dak being as good as he is, but best OL in the business and some great weapons in Dez and Witten. |
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Post by Paradis on Dec 9, 2016 17:56:27 GMT -5
I'm on the record saying that D Henry was criminally underappreciated as a 3-down legit work horse back -- but i hear what you're saying. I guess if we want to make loose analogies though -- is it fair to say that just because 2014 was flush at WR, that it behoved teams to pass on Mike Evans or OBJ, so they could take Matthews or Landry? The latter two are very capable of starting on any team, but they're aren't within a country mile of the former 2. As important as it is to consider depth in the draft, and round-by-round value, you have to judge those top 20 picks exclusively in of themselves. Is there an OT worth passing on Cook for? Can you guarantee me that these guys aren't gonna to turn into Greg Robinson or Jason Smith? Cause i can guarantee you Dalvin Cook isn't bishop Sankey. Fair enough. And I will be very happy with a guy like Cook, but there are no guarantees no matter who you take. Just look at what has happened to Todd Gurley who we both thought would be the next great back at this time last year, but he is having little to no impact this year -- on a dumpster fire of a team (that still beat us, even though that's not relevant to this discussion). Zeke was a great pick, but he also went to the perfect situation for an RB -- couldn't count on Dak being as good as he is, but best OL in the business and some great weapons in Dez and Witten. Of course. Everything is 1 half this, 2 thirds that etc... plus the annual flurry of injuries that can ravage one position or another... I guess all I'm really trying to say is that given the condition the 2017 New York Jets look to be in, anything's on the top table with that top pick. RB, QB, OLB - you name it. I'd like to see them take a dominant player who can be more than just a stalwart or fill a need. We desperately need an OT to begin piecing the line around, but lets not put blinders on (that goes for any position). If you look at the last 10 OT to be taken in the top 15, you might be surprised at how many didn't work out like the team thought. Pass rushers even more so. |
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Post by RobR on Dec 9, 2016 19:21:50 GMT -5
I guess if we want to make loose analogies though -- is it fair to say that just because 2014 was flush at WR, that it behoved teams to pass on Mike Evans or OBJ, so they could take Matthews or Landry? The latter two are very capable of starting on any team, but they're aren't within a country mile of the former 2. The old RobR theory of drafting to the strength of the draft instead of waiting for the strength to slide down to us. I hope Macc uses the former and not the latter like Idzik. That's how we got Shaq Evans and Jalen Saunders and ended up with Pryor in the first. We need help at every position but I'm not willing to wait until the third to draft one of these RB's. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 10, 2016 10:02:26 GMT -5
Mel kiper believes the jets should pick Reuben Foster if he's available. Ironically, I think the Niners are the only team currently picking ahead of the jets that could select him.
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Post by maury77 on Dec 10, 2016 11:01:13 GMT -5
Mel kiper believes the jets should pick Reuben Foster if he's available. Ironically, I think the Niners are the only team currently picking ahead of the jets that could select him. I would detest that pick. |
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Post by Touchable on Dec 10, 2016 11:08:24 GMT -5
Mel kiper believes the jets should pick Reuben Foster if he's available. Ironically, I think the Niners are the only team currently picking ahead of the jets that could select him. I would detest that pick. I wouldn't be totally against it If the Jets are picking Top 5 and can't get out of that spot then to me it has to either be Fournette or a defensive player. The chances of Garrett are slim to none, so then guys like Adams, Peppers and Foster enter the discussion. Coupled with Lee he would give the Jets a pair of young, incredibly talented sideline to sideline players in the LB corps for the next decade potentially. |
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Post by RobR on Dec 10, 2016 11:22:12 GMT -5
Mel kiper believes the jets should pick Reuben Foster if he's available. Ironically, I think the Niners are the only team currently picking ahead of the jets that could select him.  |
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