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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 1:07:55 GMT -5
If body-camera = (0) && riot-started = (1) print "We are getting body-cameras tomorrow!" end He had a gun, wouldnt put it down. Shot by black cop. The looting and screaming that the guy had a book is a joke. F you, cakalackey. I said nothing about a book. Cops without body cams; that's the punchline. Take your reactionary BS and spew it at Pat McCrory for me, huh? Talk about a waste of space; this fucking guy. The Connector Between Church and (your) State. Righteous assholes. And you should stop being a punk, Matt. Stop quoting me out of context. |
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Post by shakin on Sept 22, 2016 6:06:59 GMT -5
can't we all just get a dong
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Post by 32Green on Sept 22, 2016 6:27:17 GMT -5
He had a gun, wouldnt put it down. Shot by black cop. The looting and screaming that the guy had a book is a joke. F you, cakalackey. I said nothing about a book. Cops without body cams; that's the punchline. Take your reactionary BS and spew it at Pat McCrory for me, huh? Talk about a waste of space; this fucking guy. The Connector Between Church and (your) State. Righteous assholes. And you should stop being a punk, Matt. Stop quoting me out of context.  |
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Post by DDNYjets on Sept 22, 2016 7:26:15 GMT -5
I'll be honest...they stick together because they do a job not alot of people understand. I didnt understand it until I did it. I was a total lib. Right out of college...knew everything, didnt like cops..didnt want to be one..but it was the 80's..the markets were tanking...no one was hiring. Took the test, the rest is history. When the shyte hits the fan, they circle the wagons...because you are surrounded by Indians that all know what should have been done without ever having walked an inch in your boots. There are tons of people that shouldnt be cops. Agreed on that..but the sheer number of cops needed..means regular, scared people get through the vetting process...and end up dealing with a drug-addled guy ignoring commands and seemingly intent on getting into his vehicle...is he going for a gun? Is he trying to drive away? Or in his drug-addled state..does he simply want the whole situation to go away and he's looking for sanctuary in his car? As a cop hoping to go home that night...you dont have the luxury of reading minds or X-ray vision...and you know the similar scenarios before where seemingly similar benign situations ended in shocking violence and dead cops. Thats the reality..and no exaggeration. Police work is an imperfect a science as you will find..though everyone seems to be an expert in its execution. I know it's a rough job and I wouldn't want to be a cop (especially now). But, this guys car broke down. What crime did he commit? This woman cop seemed like she was jumpy, scared and probably should have been behind a desk. Let me preface this by saying that obviously nobody deserves to die and in a perfect world there wouldnt ever be the need to use of force. Have to say that b.c it seems the programmed answer I get when trying to digest these situations is "yeah, so he deserved to die". One thing I have learned from watching many of these types of incidents unfold is to wait for all the evidence to emerge. In this 24/7 social media driven news age we live in it seems people want instant gratification (mostly young people). The video doesn't look good but we havent heard or seen much of the other side of the story. As for some people not being cut out for it I completely agree. Just like some people aren't cut out for being in military service. But you also have to take into account the effects such a job has on a person. A cop is sent to work in a high crime area. Nearly every time he/she is called to respond to an incident in that area they see a domestic abuse, child abuse, drugs or gang related violence. Maybe he/she themself have been assaulted by a citizen or two in that area whilst on the job. Each incident leaves an imprint that effects future response. That is human nature. Heck thats nature in general. We can say they shouldn't be cops but I dont believe a single person exists that wouldn't be effected by that type of work in some way. It is an unnatural job. I dont believe that woman left her home that day looking to kill someone. I believe she felt a really legitimate fear. We also forget that we watch these videos in slow motions over and over again and debate what people should have done but in reality these decisions are made in nanoseconds. And the saddest thing about all of this is the people that will suffer most from less police will be these same people. Catch 22. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 22, 2016 7:42:25 GMT -5
I know it's a rough job and I wouldn't want to be a cop (especially now). But, this guys car broke down. What crime did he commit? This woman cop seemed like she was jumpy, scared and probably should have been behind a desk. Let me preface this by saying that obviously nobody deserves to die and in a perfect world there wouldnt ever be the need to use of force. Have to say that b.c it seems the programmed answer I get when trying to digest these situations is "yeah, so he deserved to die". One thing I have learned from watching many of these types of incidents unfold is to wait for all the evidence to emerge. In this 24/7 social media driven news age we live in it seems people want instant gratification (mostly young people). The video doesn't look good but we havent heard or seen much of the other side of the story. As for some people not being cut out for it I completely agree. Just like some people aren't cut out for being in military service. But you also have to take into account the effects such a job has on a person. A cop is sent to work in a high crime area. Nearly every time he/she is called to respond to an incident in that area they see a domestic abuse, child abuse, drugs or gang related violence. Maybe he/she themself have been assaulted by a citizen or two in that area whilst on the job. Each incident leaves an imprint that effects future response. That is human nature. Heck thats nature in general. We can say they shouldn't be cops but I dont believe a single person exists that wouldn't be effected by that type of work in some way. It is an unnatural job. I dont believe that woman left her home that day looking to kill someone. I believe she felt a really legitimate fear. We also forget that we watch these videos in slow motions over and over again and debate what people should have done but in reality these decisions are made in nanoseconds. And the saddest thing about all of this is the people that will suffer most from less police will be these same people. Catch 22. My grandfather was an NYC cop back in the day. He retired in like 1969. Later in life he hated cops. He said that when he was a cop they walked the beat, knew everyone in the neighborhood, if some crime happened they knew who did it because they were around the people all the time. They had relationships with the community. It was different and it worked. Today, you do not have that relationship between the community and the police. Both sides are probably at fault. They have also lowered the standard for being a police officer to the point where you have alot of people who aren't cut out for or qualified to be police officers. Something has to change or this will continue. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Sept 22, 2016 7:47:16 GMT -5
He had a gun, wouldnt put it down. Shot by black cop. The looting and screaming that the guy had a book is a joke. F you, cakalackey. I said nothing about a book. Cops without body cams; that's the punchline. Take your reactionary BS and spew it at Pat McCrory for me, huh? Talk about a waste of space; this fucking guy. The Connector Between Church and (your) State. Righteous assholes. And you should stop being a punk, Matt. Stop quoting me out of context. Dude.... relax. I was simply commenting that the guy brought this on himself. Wasnt talking to you per se. BTW... I like it here in Cackalackey. and yes, we agree, McCrory is a POS. If I offended thee... Lo Siento mucho mi amor. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Sept 22, 2016 7:57:36 GMT -5
Let me preface this by saying that obviously nobody deserves to die and in a perfect world there wouldnt ever be the need to use of force. Have to say that b.c it seems the programmed answer I get when trying to digest these situations is "yeah, so he deserved to die". One thing I have learned from watching many of these types of incidents unfold is to wait for all the evidence to emerge. In this 24/7 social media driven news age we live in it seems people want instant gratification (mostly young people). The video doesn't look good but we havent heard or seen much of the other side of the story. As for some people not being cut out for it I completely agree. Just like some people aren't cut out for being in military service. But you also have to take into account the effects such a job has on a person. A cop is sent to work in a high crime area. Nearly every time he/she is called to respond to an incident in that area they see a domestic abuse, child abuse, drugs or gang related violence. Maybe he/she themself have been assaulted by a citizen or two in that area whilst on the job. Each incident leaves an imprint that effects future response. That is human nature. Heck thats nature in general. We can say they shouldn't be cops but I dont believe a single person exists that wouldn't be effected by that type of work in some way. It is an unnatural job. I dont believe that woman left her home that day looking to kill someone. I believe she felt a really legitimate fear. We also forget that we watch these videos in slow motions over and over again and debate what people should have done but in reality these decisions are made in nanoseconds. And the saddest thing about all of this is the people that will suffer most from less police will be these same people. Catch 22. My grandfather was an NYC cop back in the day. He retired in like 1969. Later in life he hated cops. He said that when he was a cop they walked the beat, knew everyone in the neighborhood, if some crime happened they knew who did it because they were around the people all the time. They had relationships with the community. It was different and it worked. Today, you do not have that relationship between the community and the police. Both sides are probably at fault. They have also lowered the standard for being a police officer to the point where you have alot of people who aren't cut out for or qualified to be police officers. Something has to change or this will continue. A lot has changed since 1969. As for them lowering the standard for being a police officer I don't know one way or the other but I will say that they now have more information than ever about recruits b.c of social media so you would think the vetting process would be better. But that doesn't reconcile my belief that no amount of vetting or training can undo millions of years of evolution and instincts. There is theory and then there is reality. You go into enough of these situations and it will change how you respond. We have memories for a reason. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Sept 22, 2016 8:07:07 GMT -5
My grandfather was an NYC cop back in the day. He retired in like 1969. Later in life he hated cops. He said that when he was a cop they walked the beat, knew everyone in the neighborhood, if some crime happened they knew who did it because they were around the people all the time. They had relationships with the community. It was different and it worked. Today, you do not have that relationship between the community and the police. Both sides are probably at fault. They have also lowered the standard for being a police officer to the point where you have alot of people who aren't cut out for or qualified to be police officers. Something has to change or this will continue. A lot has changed since 1969. As for them lowering the standard for being a police officer I don't know one way or the other but I will say that they now have more information than ever about recruits b.c of social media so you would think the vetting process would be better. But that doesn't reconcile my belief that no amount of vetting or training can undo millions of years of evolution and instincts. There is theory and then there is reality. You go into enough of these situations and it will change how you respond. We have memories for a reason. The cop who shot the civilian here in Charlotte, from all accounts, appears to be a solid stand up guy. Graduated from a good high school here in Charlotte, graduated from Liberty University, his dad is a retired Charlotte P.O., the kid played football in college and all friends who spoke on the record back him as level headed and smart. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 22, 2016 8:07:45 GMT -5
My grandfather was an NYC cop back in the day. He retired in like 1969. Later in life he hated cops. He said that when he was a cop they walked the beat, knew everyone in the neighborhood, if some crime happened they knew who did it because they were around the people all the time. They had relationships with the community. It was different and it worked. Today, you do not have that relationship between the community and the police. Both sides are probably at fault. They have also lowered the standard for being a police officer to the point where you have alot of people who aren't cut out for or qualified to be police officers. Something has to change or this will continue. A lot has changed since 1969. As for them lowering the standard for being a police officer I don't know one way or the other but I will say that they now have more information than ever about recruits b.c of social media so you would think the vetting process would be better. But that doesn't reconcile my belief that no amount of vetting or training can undo millions of years of evolution and instincts. There is theory and then there is reality. You go into enough of these situations and it will change how you respond. We have memories for a reason. Each instance is different. The Staten Island choke and the Tulsa situations both seem to me to be the fault of police. The Charlotte, Fergusen, Milwaukee and others seem to be on the perp. Funny how the Tulsa and SI incidents didn't lead to rioting but only peaceful protests. Destroying these cities is unnaxceptable though and should not be tolerated. The media only fans the flames by playing the same tired theme of racist cop shoots innocent unarmed black. Even when the facts don't support it. Same with the president giving a wink that there is some justification for this violence. I'm sick of it. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 22, 2016 8:10:57 GMT -5
A lot has changed since 1969. As for them lowering the standard for being a police officer I don't know one way or the other but I will say that they now have more information than ever about recruits b.c of social media so you would think the vetting process would be better. But that doesn't reconcile my belief that no amount of vetting or training can undo millions of years of evolution and instincts. There is theory and then there is reality. You go into enough of these situations and it will change how you respond. We have memories for a reason. The cop who shot the civilian here in Charlotte, from all accounts, appears to be a solid stand up guy. Graduated from a good high school here in Charlotte, graduated from Liberty University, his dad is a retired Charlotte P.O., the kid played football in college and all friends who spoke on the record back him as level headed and smart. I'm talking about Tulsa not Charlotte. The Charlotte situation seems justified given the facts we have seen. Tulsa seems like a panicky woman cop completely over reacting. At least given what we know now. But, I will reserve ultimate judgement until all the facts come out. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 8:12:03 GMT -5
Police say stop, you stop. Police say hands on head, hands on head. I'm for shooting anyone running away.
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Post by 32Green on Sept 22, 2016 8:13:03 GMT -5
The record of the "church-going, hand-raised, stranded motorist" in Tulsa. (who just spent 9 years in jail for drug trafficking and had at least 5 open warrants at the time of his death meaning he was about to go back to prison because of the drugs in his car but why would he disobey lawful orders of the police bla bla bla)
1996 Shooting with intent to kill — Dismissed
2001 Petit larceny — Conviction
2004 Driving while suspended — Conviction
2005 Driving while suspended, resisting officer — Conviction
2006 Driving while suspended — Conviction
Driving with open container — Dismissed
2006 Trafficking in illegal drugs — Conviction. (He was also charged in that incident with assault on a police officer and resisting, but that was dismissed.)
2011 Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking) — Conviction
2012 Public intoxication — Conviction
Obstructing an officer — Conviction
2013 DUI — Conviction
Resisting officer — Conviction
Open Container — Conviction
Failure to wear seatbelt — Conviction
Speeding — Conviction
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Post by southparkcpa on Sept 22, 2016 8:13:25 GMT -5
The cop who shot the civilian here in Charlotte, from all accounts, appears to be a solid stand up guy. Graduated from a good high school here in Charlotte, graduated from Liberty University, his dad is a retired Charlotte P.O., the kid played football in college and all friends who spoke on the record back him as level headed and smart. I'm talking about Tulsa not Charlotte. The Charlotte situation seems justified given the facts we have seen. Tulsa seems like a panicky woman cop completely over reacting. At least given what we know now. But, I will reserve ultimate judgement until all the facts come out. My bad. I live here in Charlotte and its on my mind. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 22, 2016 8:16:59 GMT -5
I'm talking about Tulsa not Charlotte. The Charlotte situation seems justified given the facts we have seen. Tulsa seems like a panicky woman cop completely over reacting. At least given what we know now. But, I will reserve ultimate judgement until all the facts come out. My bad. I live here in Charlotte and its on my mind. Stay safe man. Ive been to Charlotte a bunch of times and loved the city. I remember how clean and new it felt the first time I was there. Hope they don't completely destroy the town. It's really an utter shame and disgrace what is happening right now. The national guard needs to stop this destruction. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 22, 2016 8:24:25 GMT -5
The record of the "church-going, hand-raised, stranded motorist" in Tulsa. (who just spent 9 years in jail for drug trafficking and had at least 5 open warrants at the time of his death meaning he was about to go back to prison because of the drugs in his car but why would he disobey lawful orders of the police bla bla bla) 1996 Shooting with intent to kill — Dismissed 2001 Petit larceny — Conviction 2004 Driving while suspended — Conviction 2005 Driving while suspended, resisting officer — Conviction 2006 Driving while suspended — Conviction Driving with open container — Dismissed 2006 Trafficking in illegal drugs — Conviction. (He was also charged in that incident with assault on a police officer and resisting, but that was dismissed.) 2011 Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking) — Conviction 2012 Public intoxication — Conviction Obstructing an officer — Conviction 2013 DUI — Conviction Resisting officer — Conviction Open Container — Conviction Failure to wear seatbelt — Conviction Speeding — Conviction That definitely changes the story but I'm still not convinced he deserved to die. |
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