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Post by 32Green on Sept 22, 2016 8:31:26 GMT -5
The record of the "church-going, hand-raised, stranded motorist" in Tulsa. (who just spent 9 years in jail for drug trafficking and had at least 5 open warrants at the time of his death meaning he was about to go back to prison because of the drugs in his car but why would he disobey lawful orders of the police bla bla bla) 1996 Shooting with intent to kill — Dismissed 2001 Petit larceny — Conviction 2004 Driving while suspended — Conviction 2005 Driving while suspended, resisting officer — Conviction 2006 Driving while suspended — Conviction Driving with open container — Dismissed 2006 Trafficking in illegal drugs — Conviction. (He was also charged in that incident with assault on a police officer and resisting, but that was dismissed.) 2011 Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking) — Conviction 2012 Public intoxication — Conviction Obstructing an officer — Conviction 2013 DUI — Conviction Resisting officer — Conviction Open Container — Conviction Failure to wear seatbelt — Conviction Speeding — Conviction That definitely changes the story but I'm still not convinced he deserved to die. He didnt deserve to die..his death was the result of a confluence of circumstances largely informed by his own behavior...whether you agree with the cops actions or not. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Sept 22, 2016 8:45:01 GMT -5
So, in my office here in southpark, a nice community of Charlotte and bldg management just sent out a notice that a "Planned Protest" will be taking place
here in Southpark. Southpark is sort of like Garden City or Great Neck on LI but only 5 miles outside the downtown.
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Post by DDNYjets on Sept 22, 2016 8:46:16 GMT -5
A lot has changed since 1969. As for them lowering the standard for being a police officer I don't know one way or the other but I will say that they now have more information than ever about recruits b.c of social media so you would think the vetting process would be better. But that doesn't reconcile my belief that no amount of vetting or training can undo millions of years of evolution and instincts. There is theory and then there is reality. You go into enough of these situations and it will change how you respond. We have memories for a reason. Each instance is different. The Staten Island choke and the Tulsa situations both seem to me to be the fault of police. The Charlotte, Fergusen, Milwaukee and others seem to be on the perp. Funny how the Tulsa and SI incidents didn't lead to rioting but only peaceful protests. Destroying these cities is unnaxceptable though and should not be tolerated. The media only fans the flames by playing the same tired theme of racist cop shoots innocent unarmed black. Even when the facts don't support it. Same with the president giving a wink that there is some justification for this violence. I'm sick of it. I completely agree. Each instance is different and needs to be examined on their own. Like Occupy Wall Street, eventually BLM will die out bc there is no structure and they allow these protests to become chaotic and criminal. The damage these riots do to their cause cannot be understated. In the short and long term. Short term it turns people off bc they look like savages, in the long term it prevents businesses from going into those areas. Businesses that bring jobs, opportunity and tax revenue. And I don't care if its a small percentage of people doing the rioting and other criminal acts. The few always ruin it for the many. Thats just a fact of life. And if you want to be taken seriously you have to get your house in order. But I believe the people profiting from this (and there are many) don't care one way or the other. They just want the unrest. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Sept 22, 2016 8:47:59 GMT -5
The record of the "church-going, hand-raised, stranded motorist" in Tulsa. (who just spent 9 years in jail for drug trafficking and had at least 5 open warrants at the time of his death meaning he was about to go back to prison because of the drugs in his car but why would he disobey lawful orders of the police bla bla bla) 1996 Shooting with intent to kill — Dismissed 2001 Petit larceny — Conviction 2004 Driving while suspended — Conviction 2005 Driving while suspended, resisting officer — Conviction 2006 Driving while suspended — Conviction Driving with open container — Dismissed 2006 Trafficking in illegal drugs — Conviction. (He was also charged in that incident with assault on a police officer and resisting, but that was dismissed.) 2011 Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking) — Conviction 2012 Public intoxication — Conviction Obstructing an officer — Conviction 2013 DUI — Conviction Resisting officer — Conviction Open Container — Conviction Failure to wear seatbelt — Conviction Speeding — Conviction Context is a bitch. Not saying he deserved to die but when you continually put yourself in positions where are on the wrong side of the law eventually your luck runs out. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Sept 22, 2016 8:48:52 GMT -5
So, in my office here in southpark, a nice community of Charlotte and bldg management just sent out a notice that a "Planned Protest" will be taking place here in Southpark. Southpark is sort of like Garden City or Great Neck on LI but only 5 miles outside the downtown. Southpark turnin into Southside of Chicago? |
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Post by southparkcpa on Sept 22, 2016 9:01:36 GMT -5
So, in my office here in southpark, a nice community of Charlotte and bldg management just sent out a notice that a "Planned Protest" will be taking place here in Southpark. Southpark is sort of like Garden City or Great Neck on LI but only 5 miles outside the downtown. Southpark turnin into Southside of Chicago? If you go down there you better just beware of a man named Leroy Brown. |
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Post by shakin on Sept 22, 2016 9:32:36 GMT -5
obama's america.
black cop shoots black offender, black mob of savages attack innocent white old man
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 22, 2016 9:44:46 GMT -5
Unbelievable. Those people are not protesters, just fucking dumb thugs and criminals looking for an excuse to riot and attack. Obama has blood on his hands.
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Sept 22, 2016 11:45:18 GMT -5
The record of the "church-going, hand-raised, stranded motorist" in Tulsa. (who just spent 9 years in jail for drug trafficking and had at least 5 open warrants at the time of his death meaning he was about to go back to prison because of the drugs in his car but why would he disobey lawful orders of the police bla bla bla) 1996 Shooting with intent to kill — Dismissed 2001 Petit larceny — Conviction 2004 Driving while suspended — Conviction 2005 Driving while suspended, resisting officer — Conviction 2006 Driving while suspended — Conviction Driving with open container — Dismissed 2006 Trafficking in illegal drugs — Conviction. (He was also charged in that incident with assault on a police officer and resisting, but that was dismissed.)2011 Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking) — Conviction 2012 Public intoxication — Conviction Obstructing an officer — Conviction 2013 DUI — Conviction Resisting officer — Conviction Open Container — Conviction Failure to wear seatbelt — Conviction Speeding — Conviction Context is a bitch. Not saying he deserved to die but when you continually put yourself in positions where are on the wrong side of the law eventually your luck runs out. Why not say he deserved to die? Why does he get to live in the same society as us and breathe the same air as us? Besides him walking on 2 feet and mastering the ability to speak, he is an animal who, for whatever reason, refuses to live within the civilized society that we've created and work to uphold. I have no problem putting down rabid dogs - why is human life so much more valued? There are 8 billion of us! I value the endangered elephants more than a species who rapes, murders, robs, deals death to each other. I don't get the whole "sanctity" of human life. Some of us just need to go, and go now. |
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Post by 32Green on Sept 22, 2016 16:03:05 GMT -5
Well, the female Tulsa cop is going to be arrested and charged with 1st. degree Manslaughter.
Fair enough, let it play out in a court of law.
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Post by Trades on Sept 22, 2016 16:32:47 GMT -5
Well, the female Tulsa cop is going to be arrested and charged with 1st. degree Manslaughter. Fair enough, let it play out in a court of law. My issue with this is they say she shot at exactly the same time the other cop used his taser. To me that seems to mean that he did something to prompt those reactions. I agree though, get the evidence and try it properly, not in secret, not in the media and not in the streets. |
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Post by Trades on Sept 22, 2016 16:35:07 GMT -5
The record of the "church-going, hand-raised, stranded motorist" in Tulsa. (who just spent 9 years in jail for drug trafficking and had at least 5 open warrants at the time of his death meaning he was about to go back to prison because of the drugs in his car but why would he disobey lawful orders of the police bla bla bla) 1996 Shooting with intent to kill — Dismissed 2001 Petit larceny — Conviction 2004 Driving while suspended — Conviction 2005 Driving while suspended, resisting officer — Conviction 2006 Driving while suspended — Conviction Driving with open container — Dismissed 2006 Trafficking in illegal drugs — Conviction. (He was also charged in that incident with assault on a police officer and resisting, but that was dismissed.) 2011 Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking) — Conviction 2012 Public intoxication — Conviction Obstructing an officer — Conviction 2013 DUI — Conviction Resisting officer — Conviction Open Container — Conviction Failure to wear seatbelt — Conviction Speeding — Conviction That definitely changes the story but I'm still not convinced he deserved to die. The problem is the use of the word, "Deserved". His actions resulted in his death. Plain and simple. So he chose to die, sooner or later, due to the way he lived his life. That and "deserved" essentially mean the same thing except the longer sentence adds context. I feel for the cop who shot him and his family for having to go through this now. |
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Post by Trades on Sept 22, 2016 16:40:32 GMT -5
EVERYONE should have to watch this video. They should show it in schools. It puts so much perspective into what cops go through and those of us that arm chair QB their actions. Put yourself in their shoes and lets see how many of you are so willing to put your lives on the line. This guy is in a simulation so his life is safe and yet he shoots every time! Yet he will preach to the cops on how to act. PLEASE!
The OK guy was a habitual criminal, acting strange, not following orders and possibly made a move towards the open window of his car. That puts the cops lives at risk and their nerves on edge. The SC guy was a reportedly, by cops and witnesses, holding a gun. We will see what the facts are but right now I have to side with the cops. Either way burning your town down is not the answer. Educating your children, especially on how to deal with the police properly, is the answer.
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Post by 32Green on Sept 22, 2016 16:41:06 GMT -5
Well, the female Tulsa cop is going to be arrested and charged with 1st. degree Manslaughter. Fair enough, let it play out in a court of law. My issue with this is they say she shot at exactly the same time the other cop used his taser. To me that seems to mean that he did something to prompt those reactions. I agree though, get the evidence and try it properly, not in secret, not in the media and not in the streets. All about articulation. From the tape I see several cues that would raise my level of suspicion...ignoring commands, walking back to the car, apparently trying to get back in to the car..(a big no no)..his toxicology report, the evidence recovered in the vehicle, the testimony by the other officers...the 911 callers...does she have previous experience with this guy and his extensive criminal background... I'm also curious about the pre-tape activity as the first units arrive. |
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Post by Trades on Sept 22, 2016 16:43:33 GMT -5
My issue with this is they say she shot at exactly the same time the other cop used his taser. To me that seems to mean that he did something to prompt those reactions. I agree though, get the evidence and try it properly, not in secret, not in the media and not in the streets. All about articulation. From the tape I see several cues that would raise my level of suspicion...ignoring commands, walking back to the car, apparently trying to get back in to the car..(a big no no)..his toxicology report, the evidence recovered in the vehicle, the testimony by the other officers...the 911 callers...does she have previous experience with this guy and his extensive criminal background... I'm also curious about the pre-tape activity as the first units arrive. I assume that they could have known who he was and his record based on the license plate going into the altercation as well. |
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