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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Sept 28, 2016 13:28:49 GMT -5
www.businessinsider.com/larry-summers-a-third-of-men-aged-25-54-will-be-out-of-work-by-2050-2016-9Because of technology. But this begs the question - if technology (robots) become so much cheaper, along with the goods/services it produces, then theoretically a person needs a lot less wealth to afford these goods and services. Producers of these goods/services can't charge higher prices because competitors with the same technology will undercut them, and also, they won't have a market for their goods (like mass producing Ferraris and trying to sell them to the average joe for $250K a pop). So if these goods and services are so cheap because of technology, eventually, people may not even need jobs - they may only need a pittance of welfare to buy "robot" produced food, electricity, houses, cars, etc. You may even have the adverse effect of people not wanting to get a job because they don't really need one... and those professions that still need jobs (like say, Accountants) would suffer. Because if you can sit around all day and spend $1 per day to buy all the food, clothing, etc. you need, why go to work?
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Post by Trades on Sept 28, 2016 13:58:56 GMT -5
That has been a scare for centuries. Just like Obama saying that Automated Tellers (ATMs) would but bankers out of business. Instead there are more tellers AND people building and maintaining ATMs. We were also going to run out of oil in something like 1898! I doubt it will happen. We will have flying cars though, AMIRITE?!?!? It is all to sell magazines and papers and scare people. www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/09/28/whatever_happened_to_peak_oil_131909.html |
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Post by Mond the Bagnificient on Sept 28, 2016 14:08:56 GMT -5
I actually think 3D printers will put a dent into the workforce. Think about it - you can print anything made of metal, plastic, fibers or even food.
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Post by Trades on Sept 28, 2016 14:30:38 GMT -5
I actually think 3D printers will put a dent into the workforce. Think about it - you can print anything made of metal, plastic, fibers or even food. Have you ever used one? For the most part the "cheap" ones are garbage as is anything that comes out of them. Designing usable plans takes skill and that would create tons of new jobs as will making and repairing the printers themselves. They may shift the workforce but there will still be jobs. There will also be professional printing houses where you can bring plans and they will print high quality items for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 14:48:09 GMT -5
Doesn't really matter the population will be mostly brown in 2050. Pres. Baron Trump will be married by then to his 3rd wife and be knocking his old mans wall down.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Sept 29, 2016 8:10:00 GMT -5
Skilled individuals who understand/sell/develop/maintain that technology will always be in demand.
Id posit that its the unskilled burger flippers at risk.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 30, 2016 11:28:10 GMT -5
Skilled individuals who understand/sell/develop/maintain that technology will always be in demand. Id posit that its the unskilled burger flippers at risk. People need jobs flash. If they aren't flippin burgers they will b on welfare and we all will be paying them to sit on their asses. Someone who works 40 hrs a week should be able to support themselves otherwise the taxpayers will have too. Something has to change or we are all in trouble. And hate to break it to you, but even tech jobs can be outsourced to India or given to low wage Visa holders. Don't be so smug. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Sept 30, 2016 12:31:03 GMT -5
Skilled individuals who understand/sell/develop/maintain that technology will always be in demand. Id posit that its the unskilled burger flippers at risk. People need jobs flash. If they aren't flippin burgers they will b on welfare and we all will be paying them to sit on their asses. Someone who works 40 hrs a week should be able to support themselves otherwise the taxpayers will have too. Something has to change or we are all in trouble. And hate to break it to you, but even tech jobs can be outsourced to India or given to low wage Visa holders. Don't be so smug. What was incorrect about my two statements? The unskilled/low-skilled are always at risk of being replaced/eliminated at some point; that's just reality and always has been. Although I guess like Judge Smails said, "the world needs ditch diggers too". But we should be focusing on education and job training / retraining so that burger flipper is no longer seen as a 40 hr a week career, because in 2050, it may not be - but someone's going to need to fix the order kiosk, or the robot fry-dropping arm, or whatever else may come. And to my first point, businesses have sought technological improvements and efficiencies since the industrial revolution, and with that, people have worried about job loss. But people adapt and evolve. Like Trades pointed out, people said ATMs would put bank employees out of business. It hasn't happened. People take advantage of (or they should take advantage of) continuing education and keep up with changing technology so that they are employable and don't become obsolete. So something has to change, you say - whats your proposed solution? By the bolded above, I hope youre not suggesting minimum wage increases? Because that will just hasten the automation and layoffs in the opinion of many experts. Or are you saying we should resist technological advancement in order to keep the lower skilled employed? Im genuinely curious... |
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Post by Trades on Sept 30, 2016 13:46:41 GMT -5
People need jobs flash. If they aren't flippin burgers they will b on welfare and we all will be paying them to sit on their asses. Someone who works 40 hrs a week should be able to support themselves otherwise the taxpayers will have too. Something has to change or we are all in trouble. And hate to break it to you, but even tech jobs can be outsourced to India or given to low wage Visa holders. Don't be so smug. What was incorrect about my two statements? The unskilled/low-skilled are always at risk of being replaced/eliminated at some point; that's just reality and always has been. Although I guess like Judge Smails said, "the world needs ditch diggers too". But we should be focusing on education and job training / retraining so that burger flipper is no longer seen as a 40 hr a week career, because in 2050, it may not be - but someone's going to need to fix the order kiosk, or the robot fry-dropping arm, or whatever else may come. And to my first point, businesses have sought technological improvements and efficiencies since the industrial revolution, and with that, people have worried about job loss. But people adapt and evolve. Like Trades pointed out, people said ATMs would put bank employees out of business. It hasn't happened. People take advantage of (or they should take advantage of) continuing education and keep up with changing technology so that they are employable and don't become obsolete. So something has to change, you say - whats your proposed solution? By the bolded above, I hope youre not suggesting minimum wage increases? Because that will just hasten the automation and layoffs in the opinion of many experts. Or are you saying we should resist technological advancement in order to keep the lower skilled employed? Im genuinely curious... 12 years of education are free and not taken advantage of which is why they are burger flippers in the first place. There are some people who will never be motivated beyond that. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Sept 30, 2016 13:58:58 GMT -5
What was incorrect about my two statements? The unskilled/low-skilled are always at risk of being replaced/eliminated at some point; that's just reality and always has been. Although I guess like Judge Smails said, "the world needs ditch diggers too". But we should be focusing on education and job training / retraining so that burger flipper is no longer seen as a 40 hr a week career, because in 2050, it may not be - but someone's going to need to fix the order kiosk, or the robot fry-dropping arm, or whatever else may come. And to my first point, businesses have sought technological improvements and efficiencies since the industrial revolution, and with that, people have worried about job loss. But people adapt and evolve. Like Trades pointed out, people said ATMs would put bank employees out of business. It hasn't happened. People take advantage of (or they should take advantage of) continuing education and keep up with changing technology so that they are employable and don't become obsolete. So something has to change, you say - whats your proposed solution? By the bolded above, I hope youre not suggesting minimum wage increases? Because that will just hasten the automation and layoffs in the opinion of many experts. Or are you saying we should resist technological advancement in order to keep the lower skilled employed? Im genuinely curious... 12 years of education are free and not taken advantage of which is why they are burger flippers in the first place. There are some people who will never be motivated beyond that. This is true. And has been true forever for pretty much every generation. Until we limit how much they can suck off the public teat, the lazy will remain that way. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Sept 30, 2016 15:39:31 GMT -5
People need jobs flash. If they aren't flippin burgers they will b on welfare and we all will be paying them to sit on their asses. Someone who works 40 hrs a week should be able to support themselves otherwise the taxpayers will have too. Something has to change or we are all in trouble. And hate to break it to you, but even tech jobs can be outsourced to India or given to low wage Visa holders. Don't be so smug. What was incorrect about my two statements? The unskilled/low-skilled are always at risk of being replaced/eliminated at some point; that's just reality and always has been. Although I guess like Judge Smails said, "the world needs ditch diggers too". But we should be focusing on education and job training / retraining so that burger flipper is no longer seen as a 40 hr a week career, because in 2050, it may not be - but someone's going to need to fix the order kiosk, or the robot fry-dropping arm, or whatever else may come. And to my first point, businesses have sought technological improvements and efficiencies since the industrial revolution, and with that, people have worried about job loss. But people adapt and evolve. Like Trades pointed out, people said ATMs would put bank employees out of business. It hasn't happened. People take advantage of (or they should take advantage of) continuing education and keep up with changing technology so that they are employable and don't become obsolete. So something has to change, you say - whats your proposed solution? By the bolded above, I hope youre not suggesting minimum wage increases? Because that will just hasten the automation and layoffs in the opinion of many experts. Or are you saying we should resist technological advancement in order to keep the lower skilled employed? Im genuinely curious... I am for raising the minimum wage. It isn't fair that someone works at macdonalds or wal mart 40 hrs a week and has to be on food stamps. Why should taxpayers prop up wal mart? It's a form of corporate welfare. |
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Post by Ff2 on Sept 30, 2016 16:56:30 GMT -5
What was incorrect about my two statements? The unskilled/low-skilled are always at risk of being replaced/eliminated at some point; that's just reality and always has been. Although I guess like Judge Smails said, "the world needs ditch diggers too". But we should be focusing on education and job training / retraining so that burger flipper is no longer seen as a 40 hr a week career, because in 2050, it may not be - but someone's going to need to fix the order kiosk, or the robot fry-dropping arm, or whatever else may come. And to my first point, businesses have sought technological improvements and efficiencies since the industrial revolution, and with that, people have worried about job loss. But people adapt and evolve. Like Trades pointed out, people said ATMs would put bank employees out of business. It hasn't happened. People take advantage of (or they should take advantage of) continuing education and keep up with changing technology so that they are employable and don't become obsolete. So something has to change, you say - whats your proposed solution? By the bolded above, I hope youre not suggesting minimum wage increases? Because that will just hasten the automation and layoffs in the opinion of many experts. Or are you saying we should resist technological advancement in order to keep the lower skilled employed? Im genuinely curious... which is why they are burger flippers in the first place. There are some people who will never be motivated beyond that. What good job does a HS diploma prepare one for? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 17:00:56 GMT -5
12 years of education are free and not taken advantage of which is why they are burger flippers in the first place. There are some people who will never be motivated beyond that. What good job does a HS diploma prepare one for? Depends on the HS. |
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Post by Trades on Oct 1, 2016 9:39:35 GMT -5
12 years of education are free and not taken advantage of which is why they are burger flippers in the first place. There are some people who will never be motivated beyond that. What good job does a HS diploma prepare one for? That is just an excuse. It prepares you for the future. You can move on to tech school, apprenticeships, college or the military. Your first 12 years of education are the foundation of the knowledge for the rest of your life. It should teach you math, English, history, a second language, skills like shop and home economics, social skills, team work, responsibility, etc which you will use the rest of your life. I guess because you can't be a lawyer, doctor or executive right out of high school that justifies not trying for those 12 years. Then cry and demand "justice" because the only skill you can master is getting high and flipping burgers after throwing away what was already given to you. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Oct 1, 2016 13:39:23 GMT -5
I actually think 3D printers will put a dent into the workforce. Think about it - you can print anything made of metal, plastic, fibers or even food. Have you ever used one? For the most part the "cheap" ones are garbage as is anything that comes out of them. Designing usable plans takes skill and that would create tons of new jobs as will making and repairing the printers themselves. They may shift the workforce but there will still be jobs. There will also be professional printing houses where you can bring plans and they will print high quality items for you. Why repair them? Just reprint them.  |
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