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Israel
Dec 30, 2016 12:45:49 GMT -5
Post by ruby2 on Dec 30, 2016 12:45:49 GMT -5
Ff2 all the aid to Israel was negotiated in the peace treaty with Egypt and most of it is spent on US arms by law. Jordan and Egypt get 3 billion from the us to do what ever they want with for no particular reason at all. The more you know. Thats old news While the US hasn’t publicly confirmed specifics – which are still being negotiated – an Israeli cabinet minister told Defense News that the Obama package would see US military aid jump to more than $40 billion over the 10-year period beginning in 2018, from the $30 billion in the program that began in 2008. Israel is the largest recipient of US military aid, according to Defense News, taking about 55 percent of the total. Israel will also retain sweeteners that are denied other countries: the self-declared Jewish state receives its billions as a lump-sum payment at the beginning of each fiscal year, while other countries get installments. While other countries are required to spend their US aid on American weapons and services, Israel is free to spend about a billion dollars each year subsidizing its own arms makers and research, developing technologies that may eventually compete against US companies.
Try and keep up. My point is that the US provides aid to a boat load of countries. Ideally they wouldn't to any, but since they do, cherry picking and crying about the aid to Israel is pretty ridiculous imo. |
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Israel
Dec 30, 2016 18:27:15 GMT -5
Post by Ff2 on Dec 30, 2016 18:27:15 GMT -5
Thats old news While the US hasn’t publicly confirmed specifics – which are still being negotiated – an Israeli cabinet minister told Defense News that the Obama package would see US military aid jump to more than $40 billion over the 10-year period beginning in 2018, from the $30 billion in the program that began in 2008. Israel is the largest recipient of US military aid, according to Defense News, taking about 55 percent of the total. Israel will also retain sweeteners that are denied other countries: the self-declared Jewish state receives its billions as a lump-sum payment at the beginning of each fiscal year, while other countries get installments. While other countries are required to spend their US aid on American weapons and services, Israel is free to spend about a billion dollars each year subsidizing its own arms makers and research, developing technologies that may eventually compete against US companies.
Try and keep up. My point is that the US provides aid to a boat load of countries. Ideally they wouldn't to any, but since they do, cherry picking and crying about the aid to Israel is pretty ridiculous imo. I know, Im not against aid. Most of the countries are happy to get it. Not israel, one false step and we get a lecture. I don't know why we always negotiate with Israel as if they were our equal. |
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Post by Ff2 on Dec 30, 2016 18:29:03 GMT -5
Ever wonder why Israel needs to spend on defense? Maybe it has something to do with the religious doctrine of every state surrounding them that calls for their extermination. And they are our only ally in the region. Well, Jan 20 they will be. Usually allies provide some sort of reciprocal benefit. What's in it for us?  We get to keep giving them money and they whine about it? |
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Israel
Dec 30, 2016 21:15:52 GMT -5
Post by DDNYjets on Dec 30, 2016 21:15:52 GMT -5
Ever wonder why Israel needs to spend on defense? Maybe it has something to do with the religious doctrine of every state surrounding them that calls for their extermination. And they are our only ally in the region. Well, Jan 20 they will be. Usually allies provide some sort of reciprocal benefit. What's in it for us? We get to keep giving them money and they whine about it? Ally territory in a significant region of the world is in it for us. They arent whining. They literally have existential threats. |
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Israel
Dec 30, 2016 21:17:16 GMT -5
Post by ruby2 on Dec 30, 2016 21:17:16 GMT -5
My point is that the US provides aid to a boat load of countries. Ideally they wouldn't to any, but since they do, cherry picking and crying about the aid to Israel is pretty ridiculous imo. I know, Im not against aid. Most of the countries are happy to get it. Not israel, one false step and we get a lecture. I don't know why we always negotiate with Israel as if they were our equal. Dude, I really don't understand you sometimes. Iran calls for death to America daily, radical imams from Saudia Arabia to Egypt call for Americas destruction daily. Yep, they sure sound greatful :/ Israel being mad about a one sided biased UN resolution where the US clearly betrayed them, doesn't mean the aren't grateful for other US support and aid. Like DDNY just said there are legit existential threats to Israel; this resolution being one, albeit in a sneaky manner to make it about the settlements. Israel has always counted on the US to back them against straight up bias and antisemitism. That's why this one stung so bad for them. |
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Israel
Dec 30, 2016 21:25:21 GMT -5
Post by ruby2 on Dec 30, 2016 21:25:21 GMT -5
Ever wonder why Israel needs to spend on defense? Maybe it has something to do with the religious doctrine of every state surrounding them that calls for their extermination. And they are our only ally in the region. Well, Jan 20 they will be. Usually allies provide some sort of reciprocal benefit. What's in it for us? We get to keep giving them money and they whine about it? What do all the other country's we give aid to do for us? Part of me wishes we didn't give a cent to Israel. It would be interesting to see what the left and libertarians would cry about Israel then. Im sure it would be something, lol. |
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Israel
Dec 31, 2016 7:50:01 GMT -5
Post by Big L on Dec 31, 2016 7:50:01 GMT -5
Does Israel want peace?
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Israel
Dec 31, 2016 10:51:05 GMT -5
Post by ruby2 on Dec 31, 2016 10:51:05 GMT -5
In the past, most definitely as numerous potential agreements were accepted by the Israeli's. After being told flat out no so many times by their bargaining partners however, it is hard to say if currently they want it as definitively and it is hard to blame them. But your question also presents the real issue here. Why is it the Israeli's are always held accountable for making peace. The Palestinians need to be in that discussion as well. Takes two to tango. Thats why this resolution was so bogus placing the blame solely on settlements instead of Palestinian refusal of a Jewish Israel. That's just how I see it. Happy new years all! |
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Post by tkasper01 on Dec 31, 2016 11:05:05 GMT -5
Ever wonder why Israel needs to spend on defense? Maybe it has something to do with the religious doctrine of every state surrounding them that calls for their extermination. And they are our only ally in the region. Well, Jan 20 they will be. Usually allies provide some sort of reciprocal benefit. What's in it for us? We get to keep giving them money and they whine about it? Absofuckinglutely nothing but fucking grief. When Saddam was lobbing scuds into Israel during the first Bush Admin we had to pay them to not retaliate. GB knew it would create a cluster fuck of a war in the region. Israel only cared about getting stuff for Israel. They are not our friend. We have Zero friends in the middle east. Stop the fucking aid. I have this conversation with my Auth Jew brother in law all the time. Let Israel stand or not stand all on it's own. Put the billions we give them into the US economy for education and taking care of our old people. We take better care of fucking convicts then we do our old people. |
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Israel
Dec 31, 2016 11:43:40 GMT -5
Post by ruby2 on Dec 31, 2016 11:43:40 GMT -5
Usually allies provide some sort of reciprocal benefit. What's in it for us? We get to keep giving them money and they whine about it? Absofuckinglutely nothing but fucking grief. When Saddam was lobbing scuds into Israel during the first Bush Admin we had to pay them to not retaliate. GB knew it would create a cluster fuck of a war in the region. Israel only cared about getting stuff for Israel. They are not our friend. We have Zero friends in the middle east. Stop the fucking aid. I have this conversation with my Auth Jew brother in law all the time. Let Israel stand or not stand all on it's own. Put the billions we give them into the US economy for education and taking care of our old people. We take better care of fucking convicts then we do our old people. Link? US sent defense systems, and begged Israel not to retaliate, which they agreed to even though they had every reason to strike being 100 percent provoked for no reason. |
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Israel
Dec 31, 2016 12:39:51 GMT -5
Post by tkasper01 on Dec 31, 2016 12:39:51 GMT -5
Absofuckinglutely nothing but fucking grief. When Saddam was lobbing scuds into Israel during the first Bush Admin we had to pay them to not retaliate. GB knew it would create a cluster fuck of a war in the region. Israel only cared about getting stuff for Israel. They are not our friend. We have Zero friends in the middle east. Stop the fucking aid. I have this conversation with my Auth Jew brother in law all the time. Let Israel stand or not stand all on it's own. Put the billions we give them into the US economy for education and taking care of our old people. We take better care of fucking convicts then we do our old people. Link? US sent defense systems, and begged Israel not to retaliate, which they agreed to even though they had every reason to strike being 100 percent provoked for no reason. It was too long ago to provide the link. I do remember reading it. I cannot remember the amount. They really are no different then any other Mid East country. |
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Israel
Dec 31, 2016 13:52:33 GMT -5
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Post by 2foolish on Dec 31, 2016 13:52:33 GMT -5
Do the Palestinians?... The two state solution is a farce but if they want it then they have to recognize Israel's right to exist.. It starts and ends there... |
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Post by tkasper01 on Jan 1, 2017 9:47:10 GMT -5
No they do not. At least I do not believe so. Rabin was close to an agreement and is killed by an insider. Baruch (sp) was also close and then they no confidence vote him out. They put Sharon in power after the cocksucker killed women and children in a camp. I know someone who survived the assault/attack. I believe that the Israeli Jews want every non-Israeli Jew dead just like the fucking Jihadist only want there kind to rule the earth. We will never have peace there until one is eliminated. This is thousands of years old. |
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Israel
Jan 1, 2017 20:05:22 GMT -5
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Post by flushingjet on Jan 1, 2017 20:05:22 GMT -5
No they do not. At least I do not believe so. Rabin was close to an agreement and is killed by an insider. Baruch (sp) was also close and then they no confidence vote him out. They put Sharon in power after the cocksucker killed women and children in a camp. I know someone who survived the assault/attack. I believe that the Israeli Jews want every non-Israeli Jew dead just like the fucking Jihadist only want there kind to rule the earth. We will never have peace there until one is eliminated. This is thousands of years old. So Israeli Jews are firing rockets at themselves ? |
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Israel
Jan 1, 2017 20:41:55 GMT -5
Post by Big L on Jan 1, 2017 20:41:55 GMT -5
No they do not. At least I do not believe so. Rabin was close to an agreement and is killed by an insider. Baruch (sp) was also close and then they no confidence vote him out. They put Sharon in power after the cocksucker killed women and children in a camp. I know someone who survived the assault/attack. I believe that the Israeli Jews want every non-Israeli Jew dead just like the fucking Jihadist only want there kind to rule the earth. We will never have peace there until one is eliminated. This is thousands of years old. I'd tend to agree with you, at least that Israel doesn't want peace; and if you have the USA backing your ass, why would you bother compromising or trying? |
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